From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #137 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, July 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: music for adverts [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] RE: Re[2]: music for adverts ["Patrick Corcoran" ] the comeback [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: new CDs, old ears [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: No singing, please. [John Roberts ] arrrgh [KB305@aol.com] New music, old ears [flaherty michael w ] Exploded Forms [flaherty michael w ] Re: music for adverts [Obie Sanders ] Italian BOOK [Obie Sanders ] Re: Italian BOOK [Andrew N Westmeyer ] contemporary & SPK ["Cambra, Robert" ] 2 or 3 contemporary ["nicholas marcilio" ] Re: contemporary & SPK ["tube disaster" ] Re: 2 or 3 contemporary [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] That Italian book [Mark Short ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:28:26 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 i'm tempted by that beta band lp , anyone who can wind up nicky wire so well has got to be worth a listen. i love stereolab but i saw tortoise support them and it was all a bit prog-rock for me i'm afraid. mansun are a strange lot , they've done some cracking singles (tax loss , being a girl) and some really dull stuff too. anyone got some comment on what that devoto collaboration was like? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 Author: SE:trevor.dutton@arup.com at INTERNET Date: 28/07/1999 11:13 Nice to see some traffic even if a little off topic! >go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts >they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up >with. i'll go first ; > >pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols > >don't be shy now................p How about: The Beta Band (has the hype now created a backlash already? is the new album a masterpiece/crap?) Stereolab (not that new now of course) Tortoise (ditto I suppose) and Mansun to join up two threads but I can't make head nor tail of Six T. - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Trevor Dutton, Associate Ove Arup & Partners ATG Coventry tel: +44 (0) 1203 856036, fax: +44 (0) 1203 856240 trevor.duttonÉarup.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:28:27 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 On a more list focused note, what is Mike Thorne doing these days? >>i think he's running a studio in new york. there's a web site stereosociety.com which i think gives details (worth a look).p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:28:29 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: music for adverts >> ac marias on national tv. we should be so lucky.p Hello from Japan, Background music for TV news programs and documentaries are wild in Japan -- I've heard Wire-related material twice on national TV; one was the instrumental version of It's A Boy in a national news program, as background music to a coverage of a bank scandal. The other was AC Marias, again the instrumental version of Just Talk which was included on the Japanese CD; I don't remember what the specific episode was about. Throw in some other names like David Van Tieghem, Paul Shutze, Bill Laswell, or Pan_sonic and one may or may not get the picture of the sonic experience of watching a Japanese TV news or documentary program... As for commercials -- many creative musicians in Japan make music for commercials, partly for the $$$ and partly for the freedom they have in the material they make. Supposedly, instructions from video people are more abstract and thus leave more creative freedom than the record company execs who seek a particular musical style (or even name specific artists as a guide for the 'sound'). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:20:02 -0400 From: "Patrick Corcoran" Subject: RE: Re[2]: music for adverts > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of paul.rabjohn@ssab.com > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 06:28 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org; liminal@st.rim.or.jp > Subject: Re[2]: music for adverts > > > >> ac marias on national tv. we should be so lucky.p I just heard "How Soon Is Now" (Smiths) in the new Nissan Maxima ad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:46:04 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: the comeback well its the moment i know some of you have eagerly been awaiting for so long. yes , after a mere 4 years elastica have finally managed to release a record. last night i chanced upon hearing justine discussing it on radio one and very funny it was too. the record is a 6-track ep of stuff recorded over recent years , it won't be eligible for the singles chart. cynics are cruelly suggesting this is due to the quality of the material not exactly ensuring massive sales , and a chart placing of number 58 for the comeback might be embarassing. i am sure this just can't be true and justine was explaining that the real reason is that singles are "boring" because "everyone else does them". so that's ok then. they played 2 tracks , one was a droning riff that sounded like jamming on a portastudio. the other had mark e smith on vocals and sounded like with a bit of work it might have made a fall b-side ten years ago. no sign of any ripped off tunes , in fact no sign of much in the way of tunes at all. i thought maybe they'd have worked their way round to 154 by now but thankfully (sadly?) not. still , i'd rather have 'em in the charts than boyzone or semisonic.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:44:57 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: new CDs, old ears >> i said contemporary to let people share around ideas of fresh non-wire stuff they've been enjoying of late. i was sort of trying to stop people suggesting latter day records by people we're all well familiar with anyway. which seems to have worked quite well.......p (and sure bjork is contemporary i guess. because she's stayed interesting.) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: new CDs, old ears Author: MIME:KB305@aol.com at INTERNET Date: 29/07/1999 01:41 everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; Hey WAIT A MINUTE! What means CONTEMPORARY? Is Bjork contemporary? She's been on records since the 'Cubes back in... 87? But lacking another definition... I listen to: Massive Attack Garbage Belle and Sebastian Portishead Carlinhos Brown this thread reminds me -- some of us are falling into that demographic netherworld -- old enough to have kids and/or mortgages, and so too old to buy a lot of music, but young enough to (1) have some loyalty toward music in general, (i.e., it beats football or TV), and still involve it seriously in our lives, (2) have some 'brand loyalty' to artists we learn to respect, (3) try new music. I call us Elvis Costello fans, not because I like EC (i do), but because those of us who still listen to him will buy his record, but that's not enough to put him on the charts again. For that, it takes KidDollars, or WalMart. k ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:24:47 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: No singing, please. You're really sick of singers? I saw Billy Mahonie the other night in Leicester UK. No singing but I'd rather watch paint dry. Could it be that this wave of no singing means that these bands have got nothing to say? Phonocentric John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:15:07 EDT From: KB305@aol.com Subject: arrrgh In a message dated 07/29/1999 3:33:15 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << Subject: Re: music for adverts >> Just yesterday I saw a car commercial (Nissan) that used a loop made from the beginning of The Smiths How Soon Is Now. I am Nissan and I need to be loved... k ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:26:52 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: New music, old ears What appeals to me, as I approach 40 (and 22 years or so of listening to Wire!) are musicians that have grown with me. When I was in junior high, I loved Bowie. In high school, "Low" came out--I grew w/ him. That hasn't contiued w/ Bowie, but it has w/ John Cale, Fripp, and Eno. I don't really want "another" anything, but it's nice when old favorites continue to interest me. This is why when people ask about my favorite bands, Sonic Youth and Wire spring to mind immediately. The latest Wire related releases are as "new" as anything out there (as are recent SY related things). The last rock band I really loved was Nirvana, but to tell you the truth, I'm more into "free" and "experimental" music these days, so there may well be some bands I would really love if I had the time and money to find them (not hinting for suggestions, by the way--these limits are very real and there's already more out there than I can deal w/ !). Just some thoughts, Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:59:03 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Exploded Forms I just received "Exploded Forms" from www.ab-cd.com. It's basically a nice enough book w/ a four track live ep from '90. Listening to the cd confirmed what my memory suspected: I have a higher opinion of their live shows from this period than the band does, and it's too bad they won't do a full live release from the second period. Oh, well. By the way, if anyone needs "Behind the Curtain" or Colin's "IT Seems" (on vinyl), which are both out of print and not available from WMO, they claim to have both. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:12:00 -0700 From: Obie Sanders Subject: Re: music for adverts you're kidding , that's disgusting! can't they leave anything sacred. next it will be the national anthems of selected countries being played over beer adverts! > I just heard "How Soon Is Now" (Smiths) in the new Nissan Maxima ad. Patrick Corcoran wrote: > > > > >> ac marias on national tv. we should be so lucky.p > > I just heard "How Soon Is Now" (Smiths) in the new Nissan Maxima ad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:29:45 -0700 From: Obie Sanders Subject: Italian BOOK I was able to find this small book, somewhat of a 'biography' of Wire. It came with a CD that had some live tracks of songs (can't recall with ones) from the "our swimmer" period. The book is in both Italian and english , but it really looks like a bootleg product. the CD is in kind of poor quality , but cool to have anyway. I was was wondering if anyone had any info about this product ,as I said, it's an Italian import and all the important info is in Italian. - -- ********************************* Obie Sanders/ System Administrator. ADN ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:26:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Italian BOOK Excerpts from mail: 29-Jul-99 Italian BOOK by Obie Sanders@adnc.com > I was able to find this small book, somewhat of a 'biography' of Wire. ... > I was was wondering if anyone had any info about this product Here's what I put in the discography on the web page: - --- Alessandra Libutti, Wire: Exploded Views (Collana Sconcerto, Italy, May 1994). ISBN 88-7226-172-4. Notes: Includes Live - May 1990 CD, discography, and some lyrics. Borrows heavily from Eden. All text is given in both English and Italian. Live - May 1990 CD (Collana Sconcerto) May 1994 [SCONC 25] Italy * Sixth [Live] * What [Live] * 12DrillU [Live] * Underwater [Live] Notes: CD included with Alessandro Libutti's book, Exploded Views. "Sixth", "What", and "Underwater" are "Sixth Sense", "What Do You See?", and "Underwater Experiences", respectively. - --- (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "Why must I be surrounded by frickin' idiots?" -Dr. Evil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:49:30 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: contemporary & SPK Hi All, >a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really >enjoyed in the last >>1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; 1) The only band I can think of that doesn’t have links to someone I’ve been listening to for a long time is The Cardigans. I may be graduating from old fogiehood on to old codgerdom. Well, I am enjoying the mouse bands: Mice Parade and Mouse on Mars. 2) SPK were certainly the most dangerous band I’ve ever seen, more dangerous in my experience than even Survival Research Laboratories. When I saw SPK at The Russian Center in San Francisco they were igniting fuel over the audience. Every once in a while I’d feel a hot, singing whooooosh over my head! Projecting grotesque slides on stage may be a statement but having the chance to have one’s hair burned off at a show--yeah, that’s dangerous. Graham Revell is one of those guys??!! Whoah. Robert ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 1999 20:39:42 +0000 From: "nicholas marcilio" Subject: 2 or 3 contemporary >Trevor Dutton wrote: > > > >go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts Magnetic Fields - http://neon.cchem.berkeley.edu/~skinner/mf/ definately worth a listen - twisted pop- on tour this fall. Loop - sound like NEU at times Mogwai SIlver Apples - oops this is a discovery http://www.silverapples.com E.A.R. -the Dome kind of thing Home - still got to pick some of their stuff up, but their RA downloads are cool - http://www.screwmusicforever.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:38:26 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: contemporary & SPK >> 2) SPK were certainly the most dangerous band I’ve ever seen, more dangerous in my experience than even Survival Research Laboratories. When I saw SPK at The Russian Center in San Francisco they were igniting fuel over the audience. Every once in a while I’d feel a hot, singing whooooosh over my head! Projecting grotesque slides on stage may be a statement but having the chance to have one’s hair burned off at a show--yeah, that’s dangerous.Graham Revell is one of those guys??!! Whoah.Robert<< Damn. All the 30 or so of us who saw them at the Salty Dog in Phoenix got was the grotesque slides. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated," indeed. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:28:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: 2 or 3 contemporary Macha (from Athens, GA - incorporates hammered dulcimer, vibes, cheap electric organ (Baldwin Funmaster or something like that, as best as I could read through the heat-haze & smoke at their show last night) into alternately propulsive & meditative, trippy pop, often w/wonderfully growling bass) Rock*a*Teens (another GA band - what's up with that?) makes rock sound fresh again, I detect a kindred spirit to Mekons (except w/o the politics) The Wrens (began as Pixies understudies, continue to develop their own sound in near-label-less obscurity - from spastic glee to incredible delicacy in .5 sec., plus wickedest use of discordant intervals around) As a pop geek in another life, I'm pretty sold on the whole ELephant 6 thing - but Music Tapes and (less so) Neutral Milk Hotel & Olivia Tremor Control ought to appeal to experimental Wirefans, esp. if they like a bit of psychedelia (I can hear OTC covering "Map Ref." at least in my head...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:00:13 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: That Italian book I picked up Exploded Views 3-4 years ago. I came across it by chance in my local record shop. I think the book is pretty interesting, with interviews with each Wirist. And the Italian translations of lyrics would be useful for anyone planning a bel canto Wire tribute. The live CD is from the 1989 UK tour. I saw Wire in Bristol on that tour, and was pretty disappointed. The band looked like they'd rather be somewhere else. And Robert G already was. The Exploded Views CD confirms that memory. On the Punk-as-corporate-soundtrack theme, here in the UK Nike are using the Anti Nowhere League's cover of Ralph McTell's "Streets Of London" to promote their new super store in London. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #137 *******************************