From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #136 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: KTEL [dieter.loos@ubs.com] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 ["Trevor Dutton" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 [Mark Short ] Re: KTEL [Charles G Waldman ] Re: music for adverts [Yoshiaki Matsumoto ] No singing, please. [Mike Edwards ] new CDs, old ears [KB305@aol.com] Re: new CDs, old ears ["Josh Zarbo" ] re: new CDs, old ears ["Jack Steinmann" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:59:21 +0200 From: dieter.loos@ubs.com Subject: Re: KTEL latin playboys sofa surfers soul coughing shellac - ---------- > >go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 >contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 >years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; > >pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols > >don't be shy now................p > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:53:38 +0100 From: "Trevor Dutton" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 Nice to see some traffic even if a little off topic! >go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts >they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up >with. i'll go first ; > >pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols > >don't be shy now................p How about: The Beta Band (has the hype now created a backlash already? is the new album a masterpiece/crap?) Stereolab (not that new now of course) Tortoise (ditto I suppose) and Mansun to join up two threads but I can't make head nor tail of Six T. - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Trevor Dutton, Associate Ove Arup & Partners ATG Coventry tel: +44 (0) 1203 856036, fax: +44 (0) 1203 856240 trevor.dutton@arup.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:42:50 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 Trevor Dutton wrote: > > Nice to see some traffic even if a little off topic! > > >go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts > >they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up > >with. i'll go first ; > > > >pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols > > > >don't be shy now................p > > How about: > > The Beta Band (has the hype now created a backlash already? is the new album > > a masterpiece/crap?) I believed the hype, and bought the Beta Band album. They sound a little bit like an "Odelay" tribute band. And there's a vein of tweeness running through the record that should stick in the craw of anyone who saw active service during the Punk Wars. On a more list focused note, what is Mike Thorne doing these days? > Stereolab (not that new now of course) > Tortoise (ditto I suppose) > > and Mansun to join up two threads but I can't make head nor tail of Six > > T. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:57:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles G Waldman Subject: Re: KTEL listowner Miles wrote: > I'm only 32, but I'm constantly concered about becoming a fogey. I > really started to worry about myself in 1994-95 when I realized that > 1) most of the artists on my top albums of '94 were people I had > been following for at least ten years, and 2) the new things that > most of my peers were embracing (Guided By Voices, Stereolab, > Pavement) held little or no appeal for me. As we drift further off-topic: Funny you should mention GbV and Stereolab, two of my favorite bands of the last 10 years. But my friends tell me I'm becoming a fogey (at 34) precisely *because* I like these things - their sounds are both totally retro. In particular Robert Pollard of GbV could be a poster-boy for fogey-rockers, parading around onstage with his greying hair and sixties-style protopsychedelic sounds. (And I love him for it). And just to bring this (slightly) back on-topic, he lists '154' as #2 on his all-time top 10 favorite records (right between 'White Album' and 'Who's Next'). There's no reason to stop following an artist just because they've been around for 10 or more years. The reason to stop following them is when they start making lousy records. (In fact I almost gave up on Wire after the twin dissapointments of Manscape and The First Letter, but it's Colin's solo work that has continued to hold my interest). Things I've gotten into recently that are challenging? Tortoise and related projects (Isotope 172, etc) Gastr del Sol Palace/Will Oldham numerous Bill Laswell projects - especially the Fred Frith/Bill Laswell/Charles Hayward trio "Massacre" - check out the recent "Funny Valentine" cd, totally inspiring ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 99 01:33:57 -0000 From: Yoshiaki Matsumoto Subject: Re: music for adverts Hello from Japan, Background music for TV news programs and documentaries are wild in Japan - -- I've heard Wire-related material twice on national TV; one was the instrumental version of It's A Boy in a national news program, as background music to a coverage of a bank scandal. The other was AC Marias, again the instrumental version of Just Talk which was included on the Japanese CD; I don't remember what the specific episode was about. Throw in some other names like David Van Tieghem, Paul Shutze, Bill Laswell, or Pan_sonic and one may or may not get the picture of the sonic experience of watching a Japanese TV news or documentary program... As for commercials -- many creative musicians in Japan make music for commercials, partly for the $$$ and partly for the freedom they have in the material they make. Supposedly, instructions from video people are more abstract and thus leave more creative freedom than the record company execs who seek a particular musical style (or even name specific artists as a guide for the 'sound'). >Hi all, >You're lucky in the U.K. For our commercials, all we get over here in the >States are absolute crap modern/alternative/newsuck shitty pseudo 4th >generation punk bands; golden oldies played into the ground and then >twisted lyrically to fit whatever product; or some of that horridly bland >and unoriginal drum and bass/electronica that you've mentioned. >What I'd give to hear howard Devoto over a McDonald's ad... - Robert > >p.s. still fingers crossed regarding getting Colin to play here in >Providence. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:49:13 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: No singing, please. Good contemporary bands? Tortoise Euphone Pell Mell I am really sick of lead singers. Mike - -- Come see the Mike und Pat reader! http://members.tripod.com/~CFT/MACHINEHEAD.HTML (updated 7/99) >Before you get in a fight with a person, walk 500 hundred miles in his shoes. That way you're 500 hundred miles ahead of him and you've got his shoes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:36:54 EDT From: KB305@aol.com Subject: new CDs, old ears everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; Hey WAIT A MINUTE! What means CONTEMPORARY? Is Bjork contemporary? She's been on records since the 'Cubes back in... 87? But lacking another definition... I listen to: Massive Attack Garbage Belle and Sebastian Portishead Carlinhos Brown this thread reminds me -- some of us are falling into that demographic netherworld -- old enough to have kids and/or mortgages, and so too old to buy a lot of music, but young enough to (1) have some loyalty toward music in general, (i.e., it beats football or TV), and still involve it seriously in our lives, (2) have some 'brand loyalty' to artists we learn to respect, (3) try new music. I call us Elvis Costello fans, not because I like EC (i do), but because those of us who still listen to him will buy his record, but that's not enough to put him on the charts again. For that, it takes KidDollars, or WalMart. k ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:05:48 PDT From: "Josh Zarbo" Subject: Re: new CDs, old ears Morcheeba Air Radiohead > >everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the >last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; > >Hey WAIT A MINUTE! What means CONTEMPORARY? Is Bjork contemporary? She's >been on records since the 'Cubes back in... 87? > >But lacking another definition... I listen to: > >Massive Attack >Garbage >Belle and Sebastian >Portishead >Carlinhos Brown > > >this thread reminds me -- some of us are falling into that demographic >netherworld -- >old enough to have kids and/or mortgages, and so too old to buy a lot of >music, >but young enough to >(1) have some loyalty toward music in general, (i.e., it beats football or >TV), >and still involve it seriously in our lives, >(2) have some 'brand loyalty' to artists we learn to respect, >(3) try new music. >I call us Elvis Costello fans, not because I like EC (i do), but because >those of us who still listen to him will buy his record, but that's not >enough to put him on the charts again. For that, it takes KidDollars, or >WalMart. > >k _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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