From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #135 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- SPK [Mike Edwards ] Re: SPK [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: music for adverts ["Robert Jazz" ] Re: SPK ["Mack" ] Re[2]: music for adverts [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] KTEL ["Mack" ] Hopelessly Devoto'ed... [Mark Short ] Re: KTEL [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: KTEL ["Miles Goosens" ] Re[2]: KTEL [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Hopelessly Devoto'ed... [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re: Re[2]: KTEL ["Mack" ] Magazine. [John Roberts ] Re: Re[2]: KTEL [John Roberts ] Re: KTEL [Mark Short ] Re: Magazine. ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: KTEL ["no body" ] Re: Magazine. ["Mack" ] Re: Magazine. ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: KTEL ["tube disaster" ] Re: SPK ["Richard E. Worrier" ] Re: Re[2]: KTEL ["JF Howard & MW Hamilton" ] Re[4]: KTEL [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] Re[2]: KTEL [paul.rabjohn@ssab.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:33:15 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: SPK Speaking of SPK (at one time Surgical Penis Klinic) everytime I see Graham Revell's name on a soundtrack I have to crack up. How does a guy go from being one of the major noise mavens of the late 70's (when he was associated with Throbbing Gristle) and later a noisy dance guy to making Hollywood soundtracks? I am no longer aloud to exclaim "That's the guy from SPK!" any longer because my wife can no longer bare it. See ya' Mike - -- Come see the Mike und Pat reader! http://members.tripod.com/~CFT/MACHINEHEAD.HTML (updated 7/99) >Before you get in a fight with a person, walk 500 hundred miles in his shoes. That way you're 500 hundred miles ahead of him and you've got his shoes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:32:53 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: SPK when i was still at school (maybe 81/82) spk were always held up as this really extreme band , i remember they then started doing really limp disco numbers like "metal dance" and destroyed their cred completely. not heard anything by them in years now.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: SPK Author: MIME:pakeough@erols.com at INTERNET Date: 27/07/1999 12:39 Speaking of SPK (at one time Surgical Penis Klinic) everytime I see Graham Revell's name on a soundtrack I have to crack up. How does a guy go from being one of the major noise mavens of the late 70's (when he was associated with Throbbing Gristle) and later a noisy dance guy to making Hollywood soundtracks? I am no longer aloud to exclaim "That's the guy from SPK!" any longer because my wife can no longer bare it. See ya' Mike - -- Come see the Mike und Pat reader! http://members.tripod.com/~CFT/MACHINEHEAD.HTML (updated 7/99) >Before you get in a fight with a person, walk 500 hundred miles in his shoes. That way you're 500 hundred miles ahead of him and you've got his shoes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:23:52 EDT From: "Robert Jazz" Subject: Re: music for adverts Hi all, You're lucky in the U.K. For our commercials, all we get over here in the States are absolute crap modern/alternative/newsuck shitty pseudo 4th generation punk bands; golden oldies played into the ground and then twisted lyrically to fit whatever product; or some of that horridly bland and unoriginal drum and bass/electronica that you've mentioned. What I'd give to hear howard Devoto over a McDonald's ad... - - Robert p.s. still fingers crossed regarding getting Colin to play here in Providence. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:44:17 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: SPK > ... everytime I see Graham Revell's name on a soundtrack I have to crack up. How does a guy > go from being one of the major noise mavens of the late 70's (when he > was associated with Throbbing Gristle) and later a noisy dance guy to > making Hollywood soundtracks? short rant: Actually he mad an interesting recording of Music for Insects' not all that long ago. Many musicians find soundtracks to be a less creativly restricted area to make money. Japanese turntablist/guitarist(?) Otomo Yoshihide has done tons of Chinese soundtracks (some of which are not too bad) which bear NO creative relation to his Ground Zero and I.S.O. (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) projects. Though the soundtrack work certainly helps finance gear and tours. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:23:00 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: music for adverts "the coke pours out of me" maybe? god , dreadful. best i could do though. i was really upset totp2 claimed they were going to show magazine doing "shot bbs" on totp but never did. i can only ever recall seeing 2 magazine clips , there was that and "motorcade" on a punk retrospective in the early 90's. i saw the buzzcocks and (oh god) the armoury show but i missed magazine sadly. did they ever do much in the us? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: music for adverts Author: MIME:robertjazz007@hotmail.com at INTERNET Date: 27/07/1999 15:31 Hi all, You're lucky in the U.K. For our commercials, all we get over here in the States are absolute crap modern/alternative/newsuck shitty pseudo 4th generation punk bands; golden oldies played into the ground and then twisted lyrically to fit whatever product; or some of that horridly bland and unoriginal drum and bass/electronica that you've mentioned. What I'd give to hear howard Devoto over a McDonald's ad... - Robert p.s. still fingers crossed regarding getting Colin to play here in Providence. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:39:56 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: KTEL > "...and "motorcade" on a punk retrospective in the early 90's... 'Back in the day' we used to joke about a K-TEL Punk Collection. The scary thing was that when I saw one, it didn't suprise me... Having passed 40 by a couple years now, I find myself fighting to keep a fresh perspective and not just roll around in my (admittedly good) memories of a time long past. This is my challenge for the next 40-odd years. I find that my contemporaries are spending alot of time bemaoning the passing of many things which were most interresting because they were new and different, and rejecting what is currently new and different. gawd I am rolling on today sorry d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:04:10 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Hopelessly Devoto'ed... paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > > "the coke pours out of me" maybe? god , dreadful. best i could do though. i was really upset totp2 claimed they were going to show magazine doing "shot bbs" on totp but never did. i can only ever recall seeing 2 magazine clips , there was that and "motorcade" on a punk retrospective in the early 90's. i saw the buzzcocks and (oh god) the armoury show but i missed magazine sadly. did they ever do much in the us? p As we drift off-topic... Are Magazine unique, or is there another band where the frontman's career has been eclipsed by that of his sidemen (John McGeogh, Barry Adamson) once the band split? And just why did Devoto fall out of the public eye so dramatically? Mark Short ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:03:54 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: KTEL i think there's nothing wrong with a good wallow as long as you don't make a career out of it. i'm 34 and i love all that old stuff but i can still find new things to excite me as well which is , i guess , the idea. i've got friends who really frustrate me by not moving on , still buying "new" albums by tired old 70's acts cranking out the same old stuff as some kind of pension plan (stranglers , damned etc etc) but it doesn't have to be that way ; presumably given that this is a wire list most of us sort of realise that. on a lighter note , i never saw a k-tel punk album but a record i long to own is one i saw once but never again. it was probably only a uk thing but there used to be in the 70's a dire series of lps called "top of the pops" , they were dead cheap and were really crap session-musician covers of the "hits" of the day. well i saw one once with pil's "death disco" ; i should've grabbed it but missed the chance. to this day i've longed to know what they did with that tune , i reckon it'd be a classic.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: KTEL Author: MIME:dmack@geocities.com at INTERNET Date: 27/07/1999 16:45 > "...and "motorcade" on a punk retrospective in the early 90's... 'Back in the day' we used to joke about a K-TEL Punk Collection. The scary thing was that when I saw one, it didn't suprise me... Having passed 40 by a couple years now, I find myself fighting to keep a fresh perspective and not just roll around in my (admittedly good) memories of a time long past. This is my challenge for the next 40-odd years. I find that my contemporaries are spending alot of time bemaoning the passing of many things which were most interresting because they were new and different, and rejecting what is currently new and different. gawd I am rolling on today sorry d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:06:40 -0700 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: KTEL On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:39:56 Mack wrote: >Having passed 40 by a couple years now, I find myself fighting to keep a >fresh perspective and not just roll around in my (admittedly good) memories >of a time long past. This is my challenge for the next 40-odd years. I >find that my contemporaries are spending alot of time bemaoning the passing >of many things which were most interresting because they were new and >different, and rejecting what is currently new and different. I'm only 32, but I'm constantly concered about becoming a fogey. I really started to worry about myself in 1994-95 when I realized that 1) most of the artists on my top albums of '94 were people I had been following for at least ten years, and 2) the new things that most of my peers were embracing (Guided By Voices, Stereolab, Pavement) held little or no appeal for me. And of course '94-'95 was chock full of chart-topping acts who took full advantage of the fact that today's kids had no memories of '77-'80 -- Rancid, Green Day, etc. I've begun to feel somewhat less fogey-ish since then, because I've realized that my tastes have continued to develop (in fact, my interest in Wire and other experimental folk like the Fall began in my mid-20s), and I've enjoyed a lot of the electronic music of the '90s that my guitar-pop peers have shunned. But there are still moments when 1985 or 1980 seem to whup the here and now all to shreds. Or maybe I'm not listening to the right things in the here and now, I dunno... later, listowner Miles /===================================================================\ | Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com | | http://www.rsteviemoore.com outdoorminer@zdnetmail.com | | http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer | | | | "Why everything has to get in the way all the time I don't know." | | -- Janet Ingraham Dwyer | \===================================================================/ Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.zdnetmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:33:39 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: KTEL . And of course '94-'95 was chock full of chart-topping acts who took full advantage of the fact that today's kids had no memories of '77-'80 -- Rancid, Green Day, etc. >> i guess you're talking about us charts , can't recall rancid topping anyhing here ! we of course had britpop at that time which harked back to an artier side of punk rather than the uk subs or dickies etc who seem to inspire those big us acts. go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols don't be shy now................p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:38:46 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re: Hopelessly Devoto'ed... As we drift off-topic... Are Magazine unique, or is there another band where the frontman's career has been eclipsed by that of his sidemen (John McGeogh, Barry Adamson) once the band split? And just why did Devoto fall out of the public eye so dramatically? Mark Short >> true , its hard to think of an act where 2 different sidemen eclipsed the leader like that. devoto has had a go at a couple of things but never got much going , i saw an interview a couple of years ago and he sounded really depressed that his stuff hadn't sold. i gather the "jerky versions" album was poor even by his own admission , it seemed to kill his career for years. luxuria messed around but never inspired much interest , he never really gigged or kept much of a profile up and it seemed labels weren't that interested in throwing money at him. sad because a lot of people have managed big careers out of much less. is he doing anything now? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:56:37 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: Re[2]: KTEL > go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with I'll bite: Takako Minekawa Gastr del Sol I.S.O. Mouse on Mars Spain This question disturbed me tho, because so many 'new' acts I have liked (Warm Jets, Seagull Screaming Kiss Her Kiss Her, Elastica (sorry folks, I DID like that album alot)) are treading very OLD ground Sachiko M (of Ground Zero & I.S.O. is the closest to a 'new' approach with her sine-wave approach - but I haven't found the steps to dance to it?) Also note the jpop thread - one way to keep culture fresh is to view it in the circus mirror of a totaly different culture d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:07:19 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Magazine. First posting to the Wire list and it's about Magazine. Oh Well. There was a Magazine compilation video released in the UK (by Virgin I think). It included some Whistle Test performances, live stuff and three (?) videos. Can't remember which ones tho. I never saw Magazine. But I did see Devoto's next band Luxuria at the Leicester Polytechnic. They did three Magazine songs, Parade, Song From Under the Floorboards and the third I think was the Light Pours Out of Me. Luxuria released two albums to my knowledge on Beggars Banquet. in the UK. They were featured on the BBC programme Snub TV interview and one song (mimed). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:22:50 +0100 (BST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: Re[2]: KTEL Volcano the Bear. (From Leicester, UK - lots of local releases but about to have United Dairies release). Gag. Does the reformed Pere Ubu count? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:27:08 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: KTEL paul.rabjohn@ssab.com wrote: > go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; > > pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols > > don't be shy now................p I nominate: Pizzicato 5 Squarepusher Dark Star Howie B Medesky, Martin and Woods Moloko I'm not 100% sure about Dark Star, but their cover artwork is by Tom Phillips, so there must be something going on there. None of the above are real paradigm shifters; the musicians who do seem to be genuine innovators, eg Autechre, Pansonic, don't make music that I enjoy. I think that as one ages one becomes less willing to accept new forms. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:08:24 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Magazine. > First posting to the Wire list and it's about Magazine. Oh Well. There > was a Magazine compilation video released in the UK (by Virgin I think). > It included some Whistle Test performances, live stuff and three (?) > videos. Can't remember which ones tho. Motorcade, The Light...., Touch and Go, Feed The Enemy, and Cut-out Shapes....No live stuff, although there is footage around of Magazine at the Electric Circus. > Luxuria released two albums to my knowledge on Beggars Banquet. in the UK. Unanswerable Lust and Beast- Box... > They were featured on the BBC programme Snub TV interview and one song > (mimed). "Dirty Beating Heart"...Howard Devoto and Barry Adamson both appear in the video to "Eardrum Buzz" and Devoto was last seen collaborating with Mansun last year on the B Side of their "Being a Girl" single Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two steps forward, six steps back. - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts To: Cc: ; Sent: 27 July 1999 17:07 Subject: Magazine. > > I never saw Magazine. But I did see Devoto's next band Luxuria at the > Leicester Polytechnic. They did three Magazine songs, Parade, Song From > Under the Floorboards and the third I think was the Light Pours Out of Me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:05:28 EDT From: "no body" Subject: Re: KTEL a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really enjoyed in the last >1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; > >pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols ok, curve / massive attack / underworld / Autechure / Dead Voices on Air / Not breathing / Wilt / meat beat manifesto / download / ruby / aphex twin / lords of acid\pragga kahn / boom boom satalites / moby can't agree on dandy warhols. i saw them open for curve last summer and they we're rather ummmm bad. maybe it was a bad night. they seemed a little drugged out IMHO. - -jason _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:06:18 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: Magazine. there also was one song w/ Mansun - but I don't know the title and haven't heard anyone else? saw magazine at Bookies in Detroit maany years ago - luxuria in chicago not too recently :) either d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:44:34 +0100 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Magazine. > there also was one song w/ Mansun - but I don't know the title and haven't > heard > anyone else? "Railings"..Credited to Draper/ Devoto..B side of Being a Girl Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two steps forward, six steps back. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mack To: John Roberts ; Cc: ; Sent: 27 July 1999 19:06 Subject: Re: Magazine. > saw magazine at Bookies in Detroit maany years ago - luxuria in chicago not > too recently :) either > d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:24:00 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: KTEL >a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts they've really >enjoyed in the last >>1 - 2 years and see what we all come up with. i'll go first ; >> >>pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols > >ok, > >curve / massive attack / underworld / Autechure / Dead Voices on Air / Not >breathing / Wilt / meat beat manifesto / download / ruby / aphex twin / >lords of acid\pragga kahn Think I'm getting the Lords' new one today, assuming it's on the shelves as scheduled. >/ boom boom satalites / moby > >can't agree on dandy warhols. i saw them open for curve last summer and they >we're rather ummmm bad. maybe it was a bad night. they seemed a little >drugged out IMHO. > >-jason > I often disagree with Paul, whose overall outlook often makes *me* look like a cockeyed optimist (which is sort of frightening), but I'm with him on the Dandys. Can't speak for them live, but Come Down is one of my favorite albums of the past several years. Their third's due out soonish, I understand. Of other new(ish) acts, I've liked the Rock*a*Teens' 4 albums & (now broken up) Satisfact's 3, along with the Electric Hellfire Club ... For trad punk, there's Rancid, the Swingin' Utters, Fur (the NYC bunch -- apparently Britain & Australia have bands going by that name as well), the Strike & LES Stitches. And I have an unwholesome fondness for Shampoo ... & am wondering whether we'll ever get a 2nd album from Linoleum, or for that matter Elastica. Otherwise, I fear that I fall into the camp of those who find today's music less than engaging, though I fully believe that it's more a function of my age (40 in 7 weeks) than the artists ... in fact, I've been known to chide those who insist that music today simply isn't a patch on what was coming out in the mid-'80s or late '70s. Most of the my favorite albums from the last few years have been by oldtimers like the Waco Brothers, KMFDM, Pulp, the Fall, Mekons, Chumbawamba, Raincoats, Social Distortion, Killing Joke, Chills ... *sigh* Dan (NP: Garbage's 2nd album, but otherwise I've listened to nothing the last several days except a Porter Wagoner best-of & the Ramones' first 3 albums & It's Alive, along with the reconstituted Danzig-less Misfits, since they played here Sunday.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:01:30 -0400 From: "Richard E. Worrier" Subject: Re: SPK Mike Edwards wrote: > > Speaking of SPK (at one time Surgical Penis Klinic) everytime I see > Graham Revell's name on a soundtrack I have to crack up. How does a guy > go from being one of the major noise mavens of the late 70's (when he > was associated with Throbbing Gristle) and later a noisy dance guy to > making Hollywood soundtracks? I am no longer aloud to exclaim "That's > the guy from SPK!" any longer because my wife can no longer bare it. > See ya' Well, in between SPK's early-industrial stuff and crappy disco phases, they released one really excellent pseudo-soundtrackish album called Zamia Lehmanni in 1986 or so.. Revell's first score was for the movie Dead Calm around 1988. Though I've never heard it, it was apparently pretty similar to ZL and I think it may have actually used some tracks from it.. Anyway, he went on to eventually doing big hollywood movie scores, which are usually quite good, combinations of orchestral bits with wierd electronic soundscapes and various unusual instruments - his score for The Crow is really damn good (note that this is the score, not the crappy rock comp thingy).. Also, he often has Brian Williams (aka Lustmord - excellent dark ambient dude) and Paul Haslinger (once of Tangerine Dream, has a couple of nice ethnicy techno albums out under his own name) working with him.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:21:55 -0400 From: "JF Howard & MW Hamilton" Subject: Re: Re[2]: KTEL - ---------- >From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com >go on then here's a challenge. everyone write down 2 or 3 contemporary acts >they've really enjoyed in the last 1 - 2 years and see what we all come up >with. i'll go first ; > >pj harvey / underworld / dandy warhols > >don't be shy now................p Alright, I'll de lurk for this: Squarepusher Timbaland/Missy Elliot Matthew Shipp Only three? I've got 50 more! johnh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 9:53:05 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[4]: KTEL ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: KTEL Author: MIME:jarobert@dmu.ac.uk at INTERNET Date: 27/07/1999 18:24 Volcano the Bear. (From Leicester, UK - lots of local releases but about to have United Dairies release). Gag. Does the reformed Pere Ubu count? >> i'm afraid i have to be firm and say no to that one.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 9:58:15 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@ssab.com Subject: Re[2]: KTEL can't agree on dandy warhols. i saw them open for curve last summer and they we're rather ummmm bad. maybe it was a bad night. they seemed a little drugged out IMHO. - -jason >> mmm , i think they do have occasional "lifestyle issues". i thought the "come down" album had some brilliant moments but also some mediocre tracks too , but when they hit it i think they get there really well.p _______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #135 *******************************