From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #76 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: rude immersion [Craig Grannell ] ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: rude immersion ["tube disaster" Subject: Re: rude immersion [Craig Grannell ] I know I guy in Cardiff who was in an ad-hoc experimental band called the Levellers. Of course, a crusty indie band came out called The Levellers about six years after my mate's band started up (and charted) so they changed their name to The Diggers. Four years later and a naff indie band called The Diggers emerged in the UK (and charted) and now the experimental threesome in Wales have the rather less catchy name The Diggers Trio ... I knew a band called The Levellers 5 who had to change there name to The Calvin Party when The Levellers became big. Trouble is, they didn't sell many records as The Calvin Party. Maybe all there early stuff was being bought by mistake! (They were much better than the Levellers anyway). The TV Personalities started their own record label called Whaam! I've heard that the group Wham paid then a lot of money (£30,000?) to stop using the name. There seems to be an opportunity here, somewhere! BTW, UK people after Swim~ stuff should order direct, or go to Rough Trade in London, which always seems to have a reasonable selection. Personally I get Swim~ stuff from a mail order place called Carbon Disks. They are pretty damn good. They get a load of stuff from Europe and the USA, and they are fairly cheap. If you order £35 worth of stuff you don't even have to pay postage and they email lists to you on a regular basis. Order something one day, and it usually drops through the post box the next day. I never use record shops any more. They'll try to get anything for you as well, even if they don't already stock it! Give them a look in at Credit Card Tel/Fax Line: +44 (0)1263 515963 http://www.carbondisks.ndirect.co.uk email: data@carbondisks.ndirect.co.uk Paul K W ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:49:26 -0400 From: Sergey Kazachenko Subject: Re: rude immersion >I know I guy in Cardiff who was in an ad-hoc >experimental band called the Levellers. Of course, a >crusty indie band came out called The Levellers about >six years after my mate's band started up (and >charted) so they changed their name to The Diggers. And which one of them was The Levellers on China records that had a great self-titled album? With a sad, sad song about my country (Belarus, though they spelled it wrong - added unneccessary "e" in the end?) I would resist from calling'em "crusty"... Sergey Kazachenko aka Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy. Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://belmusic.hypermart.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Turner Subject: Re: Name Doubling - Was Rude Immersion On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Mack wrote: > My bandmate later joined a band named Catherine, who's first album an tour > were coincident with a band named Catherine Wheel. > So... > When my friend's option (as Catherine) was not taken up by the label (no > great loss there), he started shopping a new album, and decided to jetison > the Catherine nameplate in favor of... > My Friend the Snake. > My only comment was 'At least you won't have that pesky soundalike problem' > Wrong > Former members of the down under band Not Drowning, Waving are now going > under the flag of > My Friend the Chocolate Cake. > I saw the CD at the Virgin last month. > > needless to say , Mark has reverted to Catherine, tho he is sadly (?) still > without a contract. I used to be in a band called Cinnamon. About two years ago, we had a track appear on a compilation called "Anon" -- mostly local Boston 4ADish gothy stuff. Other than a radio tape that was played a couple of times and some live shows in Boston, that was our sole public output. Nevertheless, we were called about two months later by a guy from Island Records in NYC ("cha-ching!") who said he had a copy of the compilation, saw our track on there ("cha-ching!"), and was wondering ... ... if we were aware they were signing a Swedish band also named Cinnamon who had two albums out internationally, and because we had something out with national distribution we had the rights to the name, and would we consider selling it? ("wah wah wah waaaaaaah!") After much batting back and forth (Island's initial offer was a whopping $500) we got them up to a substantial amount and then off the name went! But, we were very surprised. We hadn't registered the name as a trademark or servicemark or copyrighted it in any way, and all we had was the one track on one CD, and they took us seriously, so much so that Island told us "well, that's OK, they were considering changing the name anyway" after our inital decline. Of course, we had the last laugh, as the Swedish Cinnamon utterly tanked in the US. One Cinnamon bandmate is currently in another band with me now, and we made sure to pick a name that would not ever be taken by someone else: "Abunai!" I mean, really, what are the odds...? :-) /j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:46:25 -0700 From: "charles" Subject: wiremailorder.com new site is up, with MP3 for all wmo titles. more real audio on the way. charles wmo@interserv.com new site: 12 april 99 http://wiremailorder.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:17:24 -0700 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: rude immersion >>I know I guy in Cardiff who was in an ad-hoc >>experimental band called the Levellers. Of course, a >>crusty indie band came out called The Levellers about >>six years after my mate's band started up (and >>charted) so they changed their name to The Diggers. >And which one of them was The Levellers on China records >that had a great self-titled album? With a sad, sad song >about my country (Belarus, though they spelled it wrong - >added unneccessary "e" in the end?) I would resist from >calling'em "crusty"... >Sergey Kazachenko aka Syarzhuk > I suspect he referred to the Levellers (the ones on China who did Belaruse) as "crusty" because of their personal appearance & lifestyle -- they're what the Brits call "Travellers," aren't they, or at least cater to that crowd? -- rather than their music, which of course is rather folkish. As for the spelling of Belaruse, I never thought about it before, but I suppose they may have added the "e" to create a double meaning, since "ruse" means "trick" ... they could've been saying that a trick had been played on the people. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: rude immersion On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, tube disaster wrote: > As for the spelling of Belaruse, I never thought about it before, but > I suppose they may have added the "e" to create a double meaning, > since "ruse" means "trick" ... they could've been saying that a trick > had been played on the people. i see it spelled with an 'e' on the end a lot. i think it's so that people pronounce it with a long 'u' -- "roos" instead of "russ". not that i would know the right way to pronounce it, but my european friends say it with the long 'u'. aaron ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #76 ******************************