From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #53 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, March 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: Exploded Views [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] ibtaba [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #52 ["charles" ] Re: Re[2]: Exploded Views ["tube disaster" ] Re[4]: Exploded Views [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #52 [Robert Brammer ] MY GENERATION IS DOOMED! [Keith Harold Vercauteren ] Wire post-Rose Bowl ["David C. Kwan" ] Re[2]: Wire Rose Bowl [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:45:45 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Exploded Views didn't you think the cd was worth the money alone? it only cost about £10 over here. not exactly cheap , but you couldn't get that stuff anywhere else.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Exploded Views Author: MIME:aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu at INTERNET Date: 04/03/1999 04:50 I've got _Exploded Views_, and, to be honest, the only things the book's got that I haven't seen anywhere else are the funky layout and lyrics that have been translated into Italian. These are amusing on their own, but probably not worth the effort of tracking it down. Amanda aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:47:48 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: ibtaba something i've always wanted to know ; does anyone know exactly which live performances the various tracks were based on? i was at the london astoria date which i guess was one of them , but even with a bootleg tape its hard to work out if any of the tracks were used.i gather they didn't keep much of the original live take at all. any ideas? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:53:49 -0800 From: "charles" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #52 : And I believe Keith posted a bit earlier :about being 21 years old, which means that in some 2 months I'll have been :listening to Wire for as long as he's been alive. In other words, it's all a :matter of taste. Right on for the older folks! c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:02:38 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Exploded Views Actually, I'd quite forgotten I owned that book & disc until a couple of nights ago (mere hours before they were mentioned here), when I was returning the Life in the Manscape EP to my shelves after compiling that '86-'91 tape. Now if I could only find my copy of the CD3 (I think) of the Cure's Cult Hero/I Dig You that came with a similar book ... Dan np: Indeep -- Last Night a DJ Saved My Life >>didn't you think the cd was worth the money alone? it only cost about £10 over here. not exactly cheap , but you couldn't get that stuff anywhere else.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Exploded Views Author: MIME:aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu at INTERNET Date: 04/03/1999 04:50 I've got _Exploded Views_, and, to be honest, the only things the book's got that I haven't seen anywhere else are the funky layout and lyrics that have been translated into Italian. These are amusing on their own, but probably not worth the effort of tracking it down. Amanda aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:33:24 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[4]: Exploded Views now i'd never realised that was available cheaply , its one of those things that goes for about £30 ; i'd love to hear it but not quite that much. but for £10 with a free book , not a bad deal. i also saw a joy division once and i was tempted , problem is in knowing if the tracks are rare or not. the wire cd is allegedly from the hibernian club gig on the manscape tour but i got a tape of that off andrew and it clearly isn't the same performance. maybe the cd is a mixture , i wonder where the exploded views guys got the tape(s) from?p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Exploded Views Author: MIME:dpbailey@worldnet.att.net at INTERNET Date: 04/03/1999 17:10 Actually, I'd quite forgotten I owned that book & disc until a couple of nights ago (mere hours before they were mentioned here), when I was returning the Life in the Manscape EP to my shelves after compiling that '86-'91 tape. Now if I could only find my copy of the CD3 (I think) of the Cure's Cult Hero/I Dig You that came with a similar book ... Dan np: Indeep -- Last Night a DJ Saved My Life >>didn't you think the cd was worth the money alone? it only cost about £10 over here. not exactly cheap , but you couldn't get that stuff anywhere else.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Exploded Views Author: MIME:aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu at INTERNET Date: 04/03/1999 04:50 I've got _Exploded Views_, and, to be honest, the only things the book's got that I haven't seen anywhere else are the funky layout and lyrics that have been translated into Italian. These are amusing on their own, but probably not worth the effort of tracking it down. Amanda aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Brammer Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #52 <> They played at the Rose Bowl with DM!?! Hahah...The Crowd must've really liked that, I recently watched the VH1 Biography on Depeche Mode (yes, I watch VH1, and will occasionally admit to it), the record company potato head makes a really big deal about Depeche Mode playing at the Rose Bowl, and how well their performance went over. They showed some quick footage, but not footage of Wire though. Thanks, Robert. == _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:49:57 -0600 (CST) From: Keith Harold Vercauteren Subject: MY GENERATION IS DOOMED! On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, tube disaster wrote: > > > > >Keith Harold Vercauteren wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> I FIND THAT TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE PUNK ROCK MOVIE! YEAH, > SURE > >> IT'S RIDICULOUS AND IMMATURE, BUT CONSIDER THEIR AGE! I'D RATHER LISTEN > TO > >> THAT RACKET THAN COLIN NEWMAN'S "BASTARD" RECORD... NOT TO RIP ON THE > GUY, > >> THOUGH! > > > > > > > >good lord . . . . > > > > > Whereas I haven't heard Bastard (from the reviews, positive & otherwise, I > seriously doubt I'd find it overwhemlingly interesting) but am on record as > liking Eater, very much including the song they were performing during the > above-mentioned scene, No Brains. And I believe Keith posted a bit earlier > about being 21 years old, which means that in some 2 months I'll have been > listening to Wire for as long as he's been alive. In other words, it's all a > matter of taste. > > But Keith -- try not to tap in all-capitals. It's considered bad form on the > Net. > > Dan > > Yeah, it's definitely a matter of taste... I just felt like defending Eater! When I was 11 years old living in a farm town of 3,000 people here in Wisconsin, USA, I managed to purchase a copy of the Punk Rock Movie and the sight of Eater playing the wonderful "No Brains" with Andy Blade shaking his head and his little tie flapping around was something I could relate to! My pre-teen mind of liked the pig-head part, especially when it was chucked into the audience... Most humans in my age group don't have a clue about Wire... or Eater... or the Electric Eels... or the Pop Group... or the Swell Maps... or etc... I THINK I WAS BORN TOO LATE! Incoherently, Keith V. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:22:10 -0800 (PST) From: "David C. Kwan" Subject: Wire post-Rose Bowl [auteur@ix.netcom.com wrote:] > > Here's a question for all of you...did anyone see Wire at the Rose Bowl > opening up for DM? If so, any comments or tidbits on how their sound > carried over in a stadium? Just curious... I didn't attend the Pasadena Rose Bowl concert in 6/89, but my friend did, primarily to see DM and OMD who rounded out the bill. She had nothing to say about Wire's set, but she was never a fan anyways. DM eventually released a recording of that concert as their "101" live disc, so I wonder if all the bands were recorded that day--not that Wire would allow the tapes to be released but one never knows. However, I did attend the Wire gig later that same evening at __________ [I forget the name of the club, as it changed names and management umpteen times, but it's the ballroom of the hotel next to Otis/Parsons Art School in MacArthur Park]. The ballroom was rather large which made the scant crowd of maybe 200 max persons look even smaller. Perhaps most of the diehard fans saw them two days earlier at Club Lingerie booked as "Pink Flag & The Missing Chairs," or they got their Rose Bowl tickets when they were first announced. When Wire took the stage, Lewis announced, "Earlier today we had a warm-up gig, but this is the real show." I thought the show was pretty good and closer to the sound of the records than I thought was possible. I remember thinking that there was so much subtlety and understatement in much of their music, that I doubt such things would have translated in a stadium setting. For this reason I'll probably forever avoid stadium shows, unless it's, say, Dome or Merzbow playing through Pink Floyd's PA system and steering that flying pig the way it was meant to be steered! ~dk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 9:55:58 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Wire Rose Bowl ah , sounds great and i wish i'd been there. wow , what a line up. inspirals and the wedding present topping the bill ; looking back now its hard to imagine them packing a small club. i saw neds atomic dustbin once (supporting the wonderstuff , yes i know) and it must rate as one of the most uninspired shows ever. the uk 88/89/90 indie scene did leave a little to be desired......... still , wire/ptv/buzzcocks wasn't a bad haul for a day in the sun.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Wire Rose Bowl Author: MIME:ysj50@dial.pipex.com at INTERNET Date: 04/03/1999 23:35 Yes, Reading Saturday 25 August '90. On a day whose running order went: Black Velvet Band/ Ned's Atomic Dustbin/ Psychic TV/ WIRE/ Ride/ Young Gods/ Billy Bragg/ BUZZCOCKS/ TheWeddingPresent/ Inspiral Carpets. At least those were our selections - I guess somewhat different fayre was available on the other stages. I guess that selection probably indicates how they wer received. Indifference, non-plussed silence - imagine - it's baking hot, dusty and dry like a ZZTop video or car ad. These hard to categorise middle aged blokes amble on stage and fail to play anything anyone recognised - even someone who possessed everything bar DAE. How were they? Awesome. 'CHARD - -----Original Message----- From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se To: idealcopy@smoe.org ; auteur@ix.netcom.com Date: 04 March 1999 09:09 Subject: Re: Wire Rose Bowl >and a follow on question ; did anyone see wire at reading festival? i'd loved to have seen how they went down there. > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Wire Rose Bowl >Author: MIME:auteur@ix.netcom.com at INTERNET >Date: 03/03/1999 19:45 > > >>> The First Letter is where it's at. >> realize that Wir were on their label." Pooping out on that DM tour >>wasn't so >>> smart... >>> > >>Eh? What DM tour? > >Here's a question for all of you...did anyone see Wire at the Rose Bowl opening up for DM? If so, any comments or tidbits on how their sound carried over in a stadium? Just curious... > > > >Eric >auteur@ix.netcom.com > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #53 ******************************