From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #52 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 052 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 ["charles" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 ["charles" ] Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: Manscape / TFL [Craig Grannell ] Re[2]: Manscape / TFL [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: medium , tedium ["Mats Hammerman" ] Wire Rose Bowl [auteur@ix.netcom.com] Re: Wire CDs ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: radioFriendly ["Mack" ] THE PIG HEAD SCENE [Keith Harold Vercauteren ] Fwd: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #49 [kevin eden ] [none] [owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] Fwd: silk skin paws 12" [Miles Goosens ] Things and stuff [Joe Turner ] Re: THE PIG HEAD SCENE [Geoffry ] re: Re: Wire CDs ["Jack Steinmann" ] Re: Exploded Views [aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu] Re: silk skin paws 12"/e-mail problem ["tube disaster" ] Re: THE PIG HEAD SCENE [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: Wire Rose Bowl [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:37:08 -0800 From: "charles" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 ?Anyhow, "Sexy And Rich" is the same song as "An Itch" from the He Said ?Omala album. The music is quite different though. It also shows up on the HALO record..... c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:01:45 -0800 From: "charles" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 ::Manscape sounds like Mute forced Wire to cough up a record to capitalize on the success of Eardrum Buzz. It sounds ::rushed. Did :anyone :even listen to it before it came out? The First Letter sounds like it was :done quickly but with some fairly ::good quality control. Maybe someone actually stepped forward and said "this is how it should be" whereas Manscape ::sounds like everybody taking a flippant attitude and just letting Dave Allen:have his way. It's funny the opinions on these last three Wir albums. I haven't heard Manscape in a very very long time, so I'll refrian from comment. But "The Drill" is of course an excercise in Tedium. I think the Live version, however, is the most redundant, but its a real interesting album, conceptually of course and sonically. It runs the gamut of everything Wir has done since, a blueprint if you will. I beleive the album was deleted from Elektra as soon as it was released. Soundscans are unbelievably low - like 200 copies since 1991! The First Letter is where it's at. In some ways this is the best album that Wire could have departed on. There is so much in that record, it takes years to discover, as most on this list have pointed out. Imagine if that record was released today? But as a record exec told me recently - "Most people at Elektra don't even realize that Wir were on their label." Pooping out on that DM tour wasn't so smart... My point is the band has very good memories regarding Drill - I think both Colin and Bruce have cited it as "favorites". The First Letter is up for grabs, Colin is on record for not being happy wiht Paul Kendall's final mix. Don't remember what they think about Manscape. Kevin? charles wmo@interserv.com updated: 01 march 99 http://wiremailorder.com/ PS>Did anyone see this new series from Rhino? There was an add in the Tower Pulse (with XTC) and they plug Wire in one of the ads. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:24:38 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 to add my views on drill . again i think its one i can't imagine too many people wading thru it all. interesting , but not that compelling. shame in a way , because the first track (in every city) is fabulous. wish they could have given it the full 12drillu treatment as on the live version , was there a problem clearing the technotronic "sample"? for anyone who hasn't got it , the 4-track live ep that came with that italian book (exploded views or something) is well worth hunting down , it has a great version of 12drillu and underwater experiences plus ok takes of what do you see / sixth sense. the book isn't exactly fab but given the limited amount of live stuff available i'd say it was well worth it for the cd. i gather the band were unhappy with the book (?) but i can't see anything to get too upset about. p It's funny the opinions on these last three Wir albums. I haven't heard Manscape in a very very long time, so I'll refrian from comment. But "The Drill" is of course an excercise in Tedium. I think the Live version, however, is the most redundant, but its a real interesting album, conceptually of course and sonically. It runs the gamut of everything Wir has done since, a blueprint if you will. I beleive the album was deleted from Elektra as soon as it was released. Soundscans are unbelievably low - like 200 copies since 1991! The First Letter is where it's at. In some ways this is the best album that Wire could have departed on. There is so much in that record, it takes years to discover, as most on this list have pointed out. Imagine if that record was released today? But as a record exec told me recently - "Most people at Elektra don't even realize that Wir were on their label." Pooping out on that DM tour wasn't so smart... My point is the band has very good memories regarding Drill - I think both Colin and Bruce have cited it as "favorites". The First Letter is up for grabs, Colin is on record for not being happy wiht Paul Kendall's final mix. Don't remember what they think about Manscape. Kevin? charles wmo@interserv.com updated: 01 march 99 http://wiremailorder.com/ PS>Did anyone see this new series from Rhino? There was an add in the Tower Pulse (with XTC) and they plug Wire in one of the ads. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:33:40 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Grannell Subject: Re: Manscape / TFL - ---paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > >> for anyone who hasn't got it , the 4-track live ep that came with that italian book (exploded views or something) is well worth hunting down , it has a great version of 12drillu and underwater experiences plus ok takes of what do you see / sixth sense. Alternatively, get a live boot of the Manscape era. One includes all those tracks + versions of Advantage in Height, Ahead, et al. >>the book isn't exactly fab but given the limited amount of live stuff available i'd say it was well worth it for the cd. i gather the band were unhappy with the book (?) but i can't see anything to get too upset about I haven't read it so can't really comment. But from what I hear it heavilly rips off Eden's book, adding little more. Also, AFAIK Wire weren't involved either which is a little absurd for a book about their history. - ---charles wrote: > It's funny the opinions on these last three Wir albums. I haven't heard > Manscape in a very very long time, so I'll refrian from comment. But "The > Drill" is of course an excercise in Tedium. I think the Live version, > however, is the most redundant, Quite. In fact, I have listened to almost all of Drill a few times over the past year or so but usually turn it off on that last track. It seemed an odd inclusion, almost a regression compared to the electronic versions. Also, a far superior live version is on the Bell CD & Kidney Bingos single anyway. I still think the first three tracks, along with Jumping Mint, would have made a first rate 4 track EP. I'm not sure how much the other tracks add to the mixture, especially A Berlin Drill which is dire, although some of the others are better. > The First Letter is where it's at. > realize that Wir were on their label." Pooping out on that DM tour wasn't so > smart... > Eh? What DM tour? > My point is the band has very good memories regarding Drill - I think both > Colin and Bruce have cited it as "favorites". The First Letter is up for > grabs, Colin is on record for not being happy wiht Paul Kendall's final mix. > Don't remember what they think about Manscape. Kevin? > I really thought the live TFL gigs left a lot to be desired but if there's one thing they do have it's an interesting mix!! Although the "drums" were far too loud, some of the stuff buried in TLF came through - most notably "Please don't do that" on A Bargain. Perhaps the final TFL mix is a little relaxed, although not as much as Bell. It's still first rate though. == - ---------------------------- Craig Grannell-------------- www: SNUB.COMMUNICATIONS - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk Wireviews - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html - ---------------------------- cngrannell@yahoo.com ------- "Creativity is the highest civilising faculty - Ben Okri" - --------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:37:35 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Manscape / TFL - -> yes , i was disappointed in the couple of TFL live tapes i've heard , seemed to plod a little whereas i thought it might have really rocked. also i was gutted they didn't do "no cows on the ice" which is my favourite.sounded a bit like they hadn't got the technology sorted maybe?p I really thought the live TFL gigs left a lot to be desired but if there's one thing they do have it's an interesting mix!! Although the "drums" were far too loud, some of the stuff buried in TLF came through - most notably "Please don't do that" on A Bargain. Perhaps the final TFL mix is a little relaxed, although not as much as Bell. It's still first rate though. == - ---------------------------- Craig Grannell-------------- www: SNUB.COMMUNICATIONS - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk Wireviews - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html ---------------------------- cngrannell@yahoo.com ------- "Creativity is the highest civilising faculty - Ben Okri" --------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:33:59 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 Excerpts from mail: 3-Mar-99 Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 by "charles"@interserv.com > ?Anyhow, "Sexy And Rich" is the same song as "An Itch" from the He Said > ?Omala album. The music is quite different though. > > It also shows up on the HALO record..... Charles had told me earlier about the HALO version, but I'm at a loss to figure out which song it is. Does anyone know? (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "He'd got ooperzootics on the brain." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:29:00 PST From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: Re: medium , tedium >Must stop reading my e-mail while still bleary-eyed after waking up. >Could've sworn you typed Medium Medium, & while Hungry, So Angry was >adecent little song, I was having a hard time figuring out its >relevance to much of anything ... (Oh, I know -- it appeared on the >Totally WIREd comp a couple of years ago.) My first thought was "The medium was tedium" by the now long forgotten Desperate Bicycles... Mats ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 99 13:46:24 -0500 From: auteur@ix.netcom.com Subject: Wire Rose Bowl >> The First Letter is where it's at. >> realize that Wir were on their label." Pooping out on that DM tour >wasn't so >> smart... >> > >Eh? What DM tour? Here's a question for all of you...did anyone see Wire at the Rose Bowl opening up for DM? If so, any comments or tidbits on how their sound carried over in a stadium? Just curious... Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:30:44 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: Wire CDs Jack said, Manscape also >suffers from none of the hesitancy of The Ideal Copy or awkward nods to >radio-friendliness of A Bell is a Cup. Are you implying that A Bell is a Cup is a worse album because of it's "radio-friendliness" Are you implying that "radio-friendliness" (assuming the band weren't bowing to record company pressures) in this case was a bad thing? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two steps forward, six steps back. - -----Original Message----- From: Jack Steinmann To: idealcopy Cc: IBRAHIM BOZAI Date: 03 March 1999 06:40 Subject: re: Wire CDs > >I'm obviously in the minority here, but I think Manscape the LP (not the >CD, which has too many songs and poor sequencing) is an excellent album, >more challenging than any other from the Wire Mk II period. I know it was >difficult to make, and that Dave Allen wasn't the right producer for the >job, etc., but the album has some terrific songs, especially "Patterns of >Behaviour," featuring Bruce Gilbert at his most incisive. And it SOUNDS great. If anyone has a >vinyl copy he or she wishes to part with please let me know. > > >Jack > > >On 3/2/99, IBRAHIM BOZAI wrote: >Manscape sounds like Mute forced Wire to cough up a record >to capitalize on the success of Eardrum Buzz. It sounds rushed. Did >anyone >even listen to it before it came out? The First Letter sounds like it >was >done quickly but with some fairly good quality control. Maybe someone >actually stepped forward and said "this is how it should be" whereas >Manscape >sounds like everybody taking a flippant attitude and just letting Dave >Allen >have his way. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:14:12 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: radioFriendly ... "radio-friendliness" (assuming the band weren't bowing to record company pressures) in this case was a bad thing? not to a radio seriously - are we getting off on the critic's favorite dodge here? the one where anything which is not ugly , confrontational or otherwise off-putting to a large number of people is assumed to be done as a 'sell out' or 'bowing to the record company' there is an amusing account of Momus' recent dinner with Howard Devoto @ http://www.demon.co.uk/momus/thought140299.html a brief excerpt I describe my suspicion of A&R men and book editors, who claim by virtue of some mysterious professional insight to know how artists should make their work, and have the power to make them go away and rewrite it instead of being themselves. Devoto is scornful. 'I can be myself every day of the week. I don't want to be myself, I want to make some sort of act of meaningful communication with people' speaks volumes d ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:36:20 -0600 (CST) From: Keith Harold Vercauteren Subject: THE PIG HEAD SCENE On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > oh god how can anyone still like that band. i know everyone has their own opinion but to me they were the absolute arse end of 77 punk , i can't see anything there at all. i know i've made this point before , but their "performance" on don lett's punk rock movie (chopping a pigs head up on stage) must be the saddest 3 minutes of film i've ever been unfortunate enough to own.p I FIND THAT TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE PUNK ROCK MOVIE! YEAH, SURE IT'S RIDICULOUS AND IMMATURE, BUT CONSIDER THEIR AGE! I'D RATHER LISTEN TO THAT RACKET THAN COLIN NEWMAN'S "BASTARD" RECORD... NOT TO RIP ON THE GUY, THOUGH! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:18:15 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: Fwd: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #49 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Cc: wmo@interserv.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-846930886-920449095=:3380" - --0-846930886-920449095=:3380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline note: forwarded msg attached. == kevin/wmo Jeff Chenault wrote: > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:18:12 -0500 > From: "Jeff Chenault" > Subject: P'o Dissapointment > > Hello Fellow Wire Fans, > To my surprise I found the Po CD from the WMO Label. I was happy as hell to > find this at a local store. But my sudden enthusiasm was cut short when I > started to listen to this. Here are my observations upon listening to this > disc whilst comparing to my original vinyl copy...... > > First of all HISS. From the opening track their is a very loud hissing > going on like somebody forgot to hit the Dolby button. My vinyl has none of > this extraneous noise. > > Second, The mix of the entire album sounds to be in MONO. > I kid you not. In my vinyl copy I have a very definite stereo image going > on. "Back To Back" was really noticable. It sounds like to echo has been > turned down also or even worse remixed. > > Third. I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but the entire CD plays > just a tad faster than my album copy. Where did they secure this Master > from??? > > I thought CD's were supposed to sound better than vinyl. WRONG. > My vinyl copy actually blows away this CD. If not for the bonus tracks I > would probably ask for my money back on this. Altogether I was VERY > dissapointed. I really respect the job WMO has done to bring this music to > the real fans but this is really bad. > > Sorry if anyone has talked about this already but I had to voice my opinion > on this. Boy, I hope the "DOME" CD in the works over at WMO is a lot better > than this effort. > > Jeff > Jeff this is the first complaint about P'o that I am aware of. But your comments should be addressed. Tape hiss: the 1/4" master tapes were untraceable/lost. despite concerted efforts from Bruce, Graham and myself. I even went to ask Blackwing if they had them stored somewhere. So we had two options. Master from vinyl. Or from the first generation safety cassettes that were made. We consulted with Denis Blackham the mastering engineer who stated the cassettes were preferable as mastering from vinyl, de-clicking etc is both time consuming, expensive and unreliable. Sooo.. cassettes it was. The hiss on the cassttes was reduced as much as possible without losing some of the top range frequencies that Dolby or other noise reduction and compression technigues do to sound. I personally think that once the initial shock of the hiss is dealt with you forget it's there. As for the CD in mono. No way. It's definitely stereo. tape speed: that was the cassette. The mastering cassette machine is calibrated to run exactly. so all we can asume is that the tape machine originally used was running fractionally slow. We never noticed it at the time. CD does sound better than vinyl. But it's only as good as the source material (cf. Turns & Strokes) As for the Dome CD in preperation. It's all off master tapes. Thanks for the kind words. we try to give the best quality we can and I believe we still have. If we had been really picky over the tape noise we could have gone for vinyl mastering. It woudl have cost us an arm and leg and you would probably be paying double for your CD!! Rgds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [none] [194.217.242.38]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id MAA27738 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [194.222.62.49] (helo=[194.222.62.49]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10H9kd-0003p3-00 for idealcopy@smoe.org; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:11:35 +0000 X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:11:55 +0000 To: From: bmgs@pollyanna.demon.co.uk (Bunny Smedley) Subject: [idealcopy] Downriver Message-Id: Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk I recently picked up the CD of "Downriver" by Iain Sinclair - the author reading extracts from his east London novel. Bruce Gilbert is credited for providing "intersperced audio atmospherics" - mainly treated river and city sounds, speech samples and electronics - between the tracks. A fine CD it is too; although Bruce's contribution only adds up to a few minutes at most, it does indeed add atmosphere. Available from King Mob (ekmob@aol.com), which in a previous incarnation was 'workfortheeyetodo', the gallery hosting last year's Wire exhibition. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:50:34 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Fwd: silk skin paws 12" After a long bounceless period, last week apparently brought in a lot of problems posting -- some net related, some not. This 'uns the dreaded HTML problem -- plain text only, folks! Here's the HTML-less scoop -- responses to Dan at dpbailey@worldnet.att.net... later, listowner Miles =============== From: "tube disaster" To: "Ideal Copy Mailing list" Subject: silk skin paws 12" Noticed something just now in compiling an '85-'91 tape for a friend who = was blown away by the '77-'80 tape I made for him earlier ... My copy of = the Silk Skin Paws 12" on Restless is designated 45 rpm, but playing it = at that speed would make 12XU sound like Joy Division at its dirgiest in = comparison. Instead, of course, it's a 33. Which begs the question -- = were legitimate 45-rpm versions issued?=20 Dan ================================================== Miles Goosens R. Stevie Moore website, now with sound! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal page, all silent all the time: http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles Join the Wire Mailing List: http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/wire ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:56:25 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Turner Subject: Things and stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Aaron Mandel wrote: > what might kill record stores, if anything, is the *next* industry slump > after this one, after download-and-burn booths (tell them you want the new > Pearl Jam album when you enter the mall; pick it up in half an hour -- no > inventory, no floorspace, one employee and a fast internet link) and > online mailorder have acquired a decent chunk of the market. ...and a complete four-color printing facility for the CD jacket, right? >Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:27:10 -0800 >From: charles >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #45 > >Record stores will be obsolete, for sure, when the generation of kids >growing up now (perhaps) get over the fetish of the object of music >distribution - CDs and LPs. It may take sometime, but it will happen. But >I do find younger kids that say "oh, I'll burn you a CD-R of that if you >like". I usually pass, because I want the "thing" - they just want the >"music". > >And think - this fetish is only some 40-50 years old. I for one, have an >album bin in my dining room - some 1200+ records. I find CD's on the >other hand, completely disposably, and of course, anything with a >barcode. Old school I know.... No matter how abstracted the music becomes from the media, I think it is more true than not that People Like Things. People like Holding Things in their Hands. People like album art that is complementary to the music. Even with CDs, everyone I know hates it when the CD booklet is just a blank card. Many CDs still come with booklets that fold out into a cool poster you can put on your wall/cubicle/whatever. Sure, you could include all the art as JPGs on the digital media of your choice, but where's the fun in printing it out at home on a printer that is almost certainly not as high quality as a full color printing press. Where is the room for hand-done letterpress CD cases, such as Corpus Hermeticum or Independent Project Press? What fun is holding a tiny chip in your hand and saying "this is my favorite band's new album"...? CD's won't die. MP3s won't die. Vinyl presses will fall into the hands of independent artists and entrepreneurs -- they already are; my band is considering an 8" handmade lathe-cut vinyl single done by some dude in New Zealand who does it by himself for reasonably cheap. The MP3 Shoutcast server for my band gets regularly connected to 30-50 times a day. Some people listen for two minutes, and some listen for 20. Hopefully this gets them to buy our CD online. We've released an MP3-only single through our label's website, which does an MP3 Single of the Month. Even those are being collected for a real physical CD compilation. People like MP3s, but people like the abstract idea of Things even more. It's all good; they're complementary, not competing. All this to say -- Wire ROCKS, folks, and can be listened to on any stereo sound-reproduction device -- except for old tin boxes, no matter what they are fitted with. Right? Right. /j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:44:40 -0500 From: Geoffry Subject: Re: THE PIG HEAD SCENE Keith Harold Vercauteren wrote: > > > I FIND THAT TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE PUNK ROCK MOVIE! YEAH, SURE > IT'S RIDICULOUS AND IMMATURE, BUT CONSIDER THEIR AGE! I'D RATHER LISTEN TO > THAT RACKET THAN COLIN NEWMAN'S "BASTARD" RECORD... NOT TO RIP ON THE GUY, > THOUGH! good lord . . . . ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 99 21:19:42 +0000 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: Re: Wire CDs Actually, I love A Bell is a Cup, but not for (say) Kidney Bingos, which sounded, ah, emasculated compared to its live performance. Radio-friendliness is fine with me (though not, I gather, fine by Gilbert or Lewis). It was the awkward nods to it that I implied were a limitation of the album's production. Another awkward example is Eardrum Buzz the single, vs. Eardrum Buzz on IBTABA. Jack On 3/3/99, Stephen Jackson wrote: Are you implying that A Bell is a Cup is a worse album because of it's "radio-friendliness" Are you implying that "radio-friendliness" (assuming the band weren't bowing to record company pressures) in this case was a bad thing? Jack said, >Manscape also >suffers from none of the hesitancy of The Ideal Copy or awkward nods to >radio-friendliness of A Bell is a Cup. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Exploded Views I've got _Exploded Views_, and, to be honest, the only things the book's got that I haven't seen anywhere else are the funky layout and lyrics that have been translated into Italian. These are amusing on their own, but probably not worth the effort of tracking it down. Amanda aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:21:44 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: silk skin paws 12"/e-mail problem This happens *occasionally* with e-mail of mine, even though I clearly have "plain text" designated as my preference. I'm pretty computer-illiterate ... anyone who's not have any idea why something like this would happen only every now & then? Dan >After a long bounceless period, last week apparently brought in a lot of >problems posting -- some net related, some not. This 'uns the dreaded HTML >problem -- plain text only, folks! Here's the HTML-less scoop -- responses >to Dan at dpbailey@worldnet.att.net... > >later, > >listowner Miles > >=============== > >From: "tube disaster" >To: "Ideal Copy Mailing list" >Subject: silk skin paws 12" > >Noticed something just now in compiling an '85-'91 tape for a friend who = >was blown away by the '77-'80 tape I made for him earlier ... My copy of = >the Silk Skin Paws 12" on Restless is designated 45 rpm, but playing it = >at that speed would make 12XU sound like Joy Division at its dirgiest in = >comparison. Instead, of course, it's a 33. Which begs the question -- = >were legitimate 45-rpm versions issued?=20 > >Dan > >================================================== >Miles Goosens > >R. Stevie Moore website, now with sound! >http://www.rsteviemoore.com > >My personal page, all silent all the time: >http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles > >Join the Wire Mailing List: >http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/wire >================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:27:54 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: THE PIG HEAD SCENE > >Keith Harold Vercauteren wrote: > >> >> >> I FIND THAT TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE PUNK ROCK MOVIE! YEAH, SURE >> IT'S RIDICULOUS AND IMMATURE, BUT CONSIDER THEIR AGE! I'D RATHER LISTEN TO >> THAT RACKET THAN COLIN NEWMAN'S "BASTARD" RECORD... NOT TO RIP ON THE GUY, >> THOUGH! > > > >good lord . . . . > Whereas I haven't heard Bastard (from the reviews, positive & otherwise, I seriously doubt I'd find it overwhemlingly interesting) but am on record as liking Eater, very much including the song they were performing during the above-mentioned scene, No Brains. And I believe Keith posted a bit earlier about being 21 years old, which means that in some 2 months I'll have been listening to Wire for as long as he's been alive. In other words, it's all a matter of taste. But Keith -- try not to tap in all-capitals. It's considered bad form on the Net. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:02:40 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: THE PIG HEAD SCENE well to each their own................ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: THE PIG HEAD SCENE Author: MIME:gorf@csd.uwm.edu at INTERNET Date: 03/03/1999 23:40 On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > oh god how can anyone still like that band. i know everyone has their own opinion but to me they were the absolute arse end of 77 punk , i can't see anything there at all. i know i've made this point before , but their "performance" on do lett's punk rock movie (chopping a pigs head up on stage) must be the saddest 3 minutes of film i've ever been unfortunate enough to own.p I FIND THAT TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE PUNK ROCK MOVIE! YEAH, SURE IT'S RIDICULOUS AND IMMATURE, BUT CONSIDER THEIR AGE! I'D RATHER LISTEN TO THAT RACKET THAN COLIN NEWMAN'S "BASTARD" RECORD... NOT TO RIP ON THE GUY, THOUGH! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:02:39 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: Wire Rose Bowl and a follow on question ; did anyone see wire at reading festival? i'd loved to have seen how they went down there. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Wire Rose Bowl Author: MIME:auteur@ix.netcom.com at INTERNET Date: 03/03/1999 19:45 >> The First Letter is where it's at. >> realize that Wir were on their label." Pooping out on that DM tour >wasn't so >> smart... >> > >Eh? What DM tour? Here's a question for all of you...did anyone see Wire at the Rose Bowl opening up for DM? If so, any comments or tidbits on how their sound carried over in a stadium? Just curious... Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #52 ******************************