From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #51 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, March 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: Wir - The First Letter [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] 1234 [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Wire CDs and Vinyl for sale ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] Inspirational Tools For Christian Living ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] Re: Av Ovo [Andrew N Westmeyer ] I LIKE EATER!!! [Keith Harold Vercauteren ] Re: I LIKE EATER!!! ["tube disaster" ] Drilled. [Mike Edwards ] Re: 1234 ["tube disaster" ] re: Wire CDs ["Jack Steinmann" ] Re: Wire CDs [Brian ] Re: I LIKE EATER!!! [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re[2]: Wire CDs [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:25:05 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Wir - The First Letter "manscape" is a funny album , there's great stuff in there but it goes on too long without enough variation/colour. some of the tracks took off live but on the cd it sounded like it could have used a bit of editing. i was really surpised the lp didn't include the opening 2 tracks on the cd (manscape/stampede) which were two of the more immediate numbers. as it was , i guess a casual listener might have found it too much. especially the last couple of tracks. its got a few great tracks (manscape/stampede/torch it/goodbye) but i must admit i don't often play it right thru. the first letter is a lot more "upfront" and i think better for it.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Wir - The First Letter Author: MIME:sloubert@mediaone.net at INTERNET Date: 02/03/1999 15:26 Moshe Imel wrote: >I loved The First Letter - far more enjoyable than many of Wire's works (in >my eyes). I must agree. I was put off by Manscape and didn't pick up "The First Letter" or "The Drill" until just recently. My leg is still sore from kicking myself. Now I listem to them all the time. Steve Loubert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:26:18 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: 1234 i see reviewed in q a 5-cd box set called "1234" which tries to paint a picture of 77-79 punk. nice looking but the usual problem ; if you were around at the time you've got the good stuff and you can live quite easily without anything by eater or the drones. the wire track is mannequin , by the way. not a bad choice i suppose. probably a good buy for eighties kids who want an overview of another era. (is there anyone out there who buys all these kind of things as part of a wire collection? just wondering)p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:15:26 -0500 (EST) From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: Wire CDs and Vinyl for sale (a commercial message) Greetings ICers, I've finally made a list of things that I'd like to sell. 18 CDs and 10 records (for now) ask me for the list yu151711@yorku.ca ibrahim Manscape sounds like Mute forced Wire to cough up a record to capitalize on the success of Eardrum Buzz. It sounds rushed. Did anyone even listen to it before it came out? The First Letter sounds like it was done quickly but with some fairly good quality control. Maybe someone actually stepped forward and said "this is how it should be" whereas Manscape sounds like everybody taking a flippant attitude and just letting Dave Allen have his way. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: Inspirational Tools For Christian Living On Mar 2, 5:26pm, paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > Subject: 1234 > i see reviewed in q a 5-cd box set called "1234" which tries to paint a picture of 77-79 punk. nice looking but the usual problem ; if you were around at the time you've got the good stuff and you can live quite easily without anything by eater or the drones. the wire track is mannequin , by the way. not a bad choice i suppose. probably a good buy for eighties kids who want an overview of another era. > > (is there anyone out there who buys all these kind of things as part of a wire collection? just wondering)p >-- End of excerpt from paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Speaking as a now ex-Wire completist... I never bought anything unless I got a new track. And I never collected cover versions either. But I did get remixes - because with remixes you're listening to the remixer more than the original track. Most remixes are just reactions to other people's sounds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Wir - The First Letter Excerpts from mail: 28-Feb-99 Re: Wir - The First Letter by Aaron Mandel@eecs.harvar > > 1) Did Wir release anything else? CDNow suggests only > > the "So and slow it grows" single. > > there's also a CD single called Vien, containing songs "The First Letter" > and "Sexy And Rich". the latter is similar to one of the songs that > appears on Coatings. i've probably listened to the thing twice, but it's > not awful. WHAT???!!! Vien is one of my absolute favorites! (Partly because I've worn my other CDs down to the nub!) "The First Letter" takes a while to get started, but it's worth the wait. Anyhow, "Sexy And Rich" is the same song as "An Itch" from the He Said Omala album. The music is quite different though. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "He'd got ooperzootics on the brain." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:34:15 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Av Ovo Excerpts from mail: 1-Mar-99 Av Ovo by Robert Cambra@sirius.com > Does anyone know the meaning of Bruce Gilbert's title to his album "Ab > Ovo?" Sure, it's Latin and _somewhere_ in Wireland--these pages, the WMO > Newsletter, I can't remember-- the meaning of this title was explained > beyond the literal translation and it was very interesting. I'd appreciate > any clues. "Ab ovo" means "from the egg". I don't remember discussing that, but someone earlier mentioned "in vitrio in vivo" ("in glass (ie, a test tube) in life") as a reference to artificial insemination. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "He'd got ooperzootics on the brain." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:11:09 -0600 (CST) From: Keith Harold Vercauteren Subject: I LIKE EATER!!! On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > i see reviewed in q a 5-cd box set called "1234" which tries to paint a picture of 77-79 punk. nice looking but the usual problem ; if you were around at the time you've got the good stuff and you can live quite easily without anything by eater or the drones. the wire track is mannequin , by the way. not a bad choice i suppose. probably a good buy for eighties kids who want an overview of another era. > > (is there anyone out there who buys all these kind of things as part of a wire collection? just wondering)p > HELLO, MAYBE I'M JUST A STUPID 21-YEAR-OLD MIDWESTERN 'MURRICAN, BUT I REALLY HAVE A SOFT SPOT FOR EATER!!! LATER, KEITH V. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:15:22 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: I LIKE EATER!!! >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > >> i see reviewed in q a 5-cd box set called "1234" which tries to paint a picture of 77-79 punk. nice looking but the usual problem ; if you were around at the time you've got the good stuff and you can live quite easily without anything by eater or the drones. the wire track is mannequin , by the way. not a bad choice i suppose. probably a good buy for eighties kids who want an overview of another era. >> >> (is there anyone out there who buys all these kind of things as part of a wire collection? just wondering)p >> >HELLO, >MAYBE I'M JUST A STUPID 21-YEAR-OLD MIDWESTERN 'MURRICAN, BUT I REALLY >HAVE A SOFT SPOT FOR EATER!!! >LATER, >KEITH V. > Paul & I have had this discussion before. I'm just a stupid 39-year-old Southerner, but I quite like Eater as well, esp. the songs Lock It Up, You, No Brains, Outside View, etc. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:49:48 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Drilled. I can understand someone rediscovering the under appreciated "the First letter", but I'll be damned if I can even get through that "Drill" cd. That thing goes on forever, and except for the final tune, is sluggish and boring throughout. Just for the record this is obviously just one man's opinion! Mike E. - -- Come see the Mike und Pat reader! http://members.tripod.com/~CFT/MACHINEHEAD.HTML (updated 2/99) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:23:25 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: 1234 Anybody know if this has actually (or is about to) come out? I just got a note from someone in a Clash newsgroup advising me that Siren CD, one of the better importers I've dealt with over here in the US, has dropped it from their "future releases" listings. Dan >i see reviewed in q a 5-cd box set called "1234" which tries to paint a picture of 77-79 punk. nice looking but the usual problem ; if you were around at the time you've got the good stuff and you can live quite easily without anything by eater or the drones. the wire track is mannequin , by the way. not a bad choice i suppose. probably a good buy for eighties kids who want an overview of another era. > >(is there anyone out there who buys all these kind of things as part of a wire collection? just wondering)p ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 99 00:35:44 +0000 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: Wire CDs I'm obviously in the minority here, but I think Manscape the LP (not the CD, which has too many songs and poor sequencing) is an excellent album, more challenging than any other from the Wire Mk II period. I know it was difficult to make, and that Dave Allen wasn't the right producer for the job, etc., but the album has some terrific songs, especially "Patterns of Behaviour," featuring Bruce Gilbert at his most incisive. Manscape also suffers from none of the hesitancy of The Ideal Copy or awkward nods to radio-friendliness of A Bell is a Cup. And it SOUNDS great. If anyone has a vinyl copy he or she wishes to part with please let me know. Jack On 3/2/99, IBRAHIM BOZAI wrote: Manscape sounds like Mute forced Wire to cough up a record to capitalize on the success of Eardrum Buzz. It sounds rushed. Did anyone even listen to it before it came out? The First Letter sounds like it was done quickly but with some fairly good quality control. Maybe someone actually stepped forward and said "this is how it should be" whereas Manscape sounds like everybody taking a flippant attitude and just letting Dave Allen have his way. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:16:48 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: Wire CDs The diversity in this quote un quote group is unparalleled in it's wide assumptions unfortunately Wire's output far exceeds the commentary Jack Steinmann wrote: > I'm obviously in the minority here, but I think Manscape the LP (not the > CD, which has too many songs and poor sequencing) is an excellent album, > more challenging than any other from the Wire Mk II period. I know it was > difficult to make, and that Dave Allen wasn't the right producer for the > job, etc., but the album has some terrific songs, especially "Patterns of > Behaviour," featuring Bruce Gilbert at his most incisive. Manscape also > suffers from none of the hesitancy of The Ideal Copy or awkward nods to > radio-friendliness of A Bell is a Cup. And it SOUNDS great. If anyone has a > vinyl copy he or she wishes to part with please let me know. > > Jack > > On 3/2/99, IBRAHIM BOZAI wrote: > Manscape sounds like Mute forced Wire to cough up a record > to capitalize on the success of Eardrum Buzz. It sounds rushed. Did > anyone > even listen to it before it came out? The First Letter sounds like it > was > done quickly but with some fairly good quality control. Maybe someone > actually stepped forward and said "this is how it should be" whereas > Manscape > sounds like everybody taking a flippant attitude and just letting Dave > Allen > have his way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:06:07 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: I LIKE EATER!!! oh god how can anyone still like that band. i know everyone has their own opinion but to me they were the absolute arse end of 77 punk , i can't see anything there at all. i know i've made this point before , but their "performance" on don lett's punk rock movie (chopping a pigs head up on stage) must be the saddest 3 minutes of film i've ever been unfortunate enough to own.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: I LIKE EATER!!! Author: MIME:gorf@csd.uwm.edu at INTERNET Date: 02/03/1999 21:14 On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > i see reviewed in q a 5-cd box set called "1234" which tries to paint a picture of 77-79 punk. nice looking but the usual problem ; if you were around at the time you've got the good stuff and you can live quite easily without anything by eater or the drones. the wire track is mannequin , by the way. not a bad choice i suppose. probably a good buy for eighties kids who want an overview of another era. > > (is there anyone out there who buys all these kind of things as part of a wire collection? just wondering)p > HELLO, MAYBE I'M JUST A STUPID 21-YEAR-OLD MIDWESTERN 'MURRICAN, BUT I REALLY HAVE A SOFT SPOT FOR EATER!!! LATER, KEITH V. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:07:10 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Wire CDs remember , you lose 3 tracks on the vinyl version! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: re: Wire CDs Author: MIME:jsteinmann@clynch.com at INTERNET Date: 03/03/1999 07:41 I'm obviously in the minority here, but I think Manscape the LP (not the CD, which has too many songs and poor sequencing) is an excellent album, more challenging than any other from the Wire Mk II period. I know it was difficult to make, and that Dave Allen wasn't the right producer for the job, etc., but the album has some terrific songs, especially "Patterns of Behaviour," featuring Bruce Gilbert at his most incisive. Manscape also suffers from none of the hesitancy of The Ideal Copy or awkward nods to radio-friendliness of A Bell is a Cup. And it SOUNDS great. If anyone has a vinyl copy he or she wishes to part with please let me know. Jack On 3/2/99, IBRAHIM BOZAI wrote: Manscape sounds like Mute forced Wire to cough up a record to capitalize on the success of Eardrum Buzz. It sounds rushed. Did anyone even listen to it before it came out? The First Letter sounds like it was done quickly but with some fairly good quality control. Maybe someone actually stepped forward and said "this is how it should be" whereas Manscape sounds like everybody taking a flippant attitude and just letting Dave Allen have his way. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #51 ******************************