From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #47 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, February 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #46 [RobertJazz@aol.com] Re: buzzcocks ["tube disaster" ] Re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. ["tube disaster" ] Re: Getting advice from a salesperson [Max Schmid ] Fw: Getting advice from a salesperson.. ["Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: buzzcocks As I was starting to type last night before I was so rudely interrupted by my ISP's switch to a new local access number ... Yes. I Believe on their 3rd album, in particular, transcends all notions of "bubblegum punk," though they were definitely the master of that form. In addition, their '93 reunion album, Trade Test Transmssions, was far better than I dared hope for under the circumstances (the same was true of the Raincoats' Looking in the Shadows 3 years later). The follow-up, All Set, fell a couple of notches below that ... new one due out this year, though they're still label-shopping. Dan >interesting to see some comment on the cocks , who i must admit i always had a soft spot for. i think a lot of people dismiss them on hearing their two or three pure pop hits , but there was always a lot more to them than that. the early devoto-led line-up was a very different animal , much harsher and more lyrically twisted than the shelley-led line-up of the 3 ua albums. if you like pink flag and havn't heard the "times up" cd (early demos) i'd recommend that totally , well worth a try. then they went and released a brilliant series of bubblegum punk singles , but the albums were much more experimental. the first lp is one of those records that transports me instantly back to being 15 again , i really rate it as a classic of that era. the other one i'll comment on is the 3rd one (different kind of tension) which didn't sell , there's some really great attempts on there to push beyond the 3 minute pop song. but , like wire , the label wanted hits so that was that. they left s! >ome great stuff though.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:54:29 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. Reply to: re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >Don't any of you out there own a copy of "Another Music in a Different Kitchen?" Or, is "Ever Fallen in >Love" the only Buzzcocks song you ever heard? Hey, no need to get snotty. Not only do I own, to my knowledge, everything they've ever done with the exception (*sigh*) of the track I Look Alone on the box set, I sacrificed my hearing at their altar -- have had tinnitus ever since their 12/93 show in Dallas. I *still* say that they were far more pop-based than Wire. Which isn't a criticism at *all*, at least not coming from me. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:40:41 -0500 From: Geoffry Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. > Reply to: re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. > > >Don't any of you out there own a copy of "Another Music in a Different > Kitchen?" or better yet - Magazine's REAL LIFE or SECONDHAND DAYLIGHT The Buzzcocks without Devoto were "prrretty humdrum-ah" . . . clam up/calm down g. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:21:57 -0500 From: Max Schmid Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson At 04:30 AM 2/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >As far as getting advice from a sales person on bands that sound like >or would appeal to someone who likes Wire, the internet has a site >called "The similarities engine," which serves that purpose, It's been >a year or two since i've visited it (can't remember where it is), but >it was interesting....although sometimes inaccurate (in my opinion), >for instance, the Buzzcocks were listed as appealing to someone who >likes early Wire...where as I never cared for them. Perhaps the connection is due to the "Live at the Roxy" CD that features both bands? I think that's the way some of these search engines are taught to think. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:55:47 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Fw: Getting advice from a salesperson.. - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Jackson To: Geoffry Date: 26 February 1999 20:30 Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >> >>or better yet - Magazine's REAL LIFE or SECONDHAND DAYLIGHT >> >>The Buzzcocks without Devoto were "prrretty humdrum-ah" . . . >> >>clam up/calm down > >OH YES! Very transparent, very selfish, beautiful, powerful, careless women. >My body certainly does scream. Clam up, and indeed, calm down. > >(Just read this post after I wrote my last one. My this list does have good >taste doesn't it?) > >ObWire ..Devoto's appearance in Eardrum Buzz video. >-----Original Message----- >From: Geoffry >To: tube disaster >Cc: Ideal Copy Mailing list >Date: 26 February 1999 18:39 >Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. > > >> >> >>> Reply to: re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >>> >>> >Don't any of you out there own a copy of "Another Music in a Different >>> Kitchen?" > >>g. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:55:59 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Fw: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Jackson To: Jack Steinmann Date: 26 February 1999 20:26 Subject: Re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >>Don't any of you out there own a copy of "Another Music in a Different >Kitchen?" Or, is "Ever Fallen in Love" the only Buzzcocks song you ever >heard? > >Of course.....and don't forget how under-rated "A different kind of tension" >was.... > >>Pete Shelley (and Howard Devoto) > >and Magazine are the second most important band on my youth. I remember >meeting Howard Devoto and telling him (in an adolescent rush) how Wire, >Magazine and XTC were the only three bands worth a listen...ahhh New >Wave......... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jack Steinmann >To: dan >Cc: Ideal Copy >Date: 26 February 1999 09:15 >Subject: re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. > > >> Reply to: re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >> > >> >>Wire and Buzzcocks were direct contemporaries whose respective debut >recordings employed razor lyrics and the buzzsaw guitars to create brief, >mesmerizing blasts of sharp, angular pop. Compare "Strange" to, say, >"Fiction Romance," or "Autonomy." Compare "Feeling Called Love" to "I Don't >Mind," or "What Do I Get?" Even the bands' respective sleeve designs >exhibited similar graphic standards and ambitions. >> >began their pop careers just as subversively as did Colin, Graham and Bruce. >That Buzzcocks' and Wire's subsequent work followed wildly divergent paths >doesn't negate their initial similarities. >> >> >>Jack >> >> >>Dan wrote: >>>>for instance, the Buzzcocks were listed as appealing to someone who >>>>likes early Wire...where as I never cared for them. >> >>>I don't see the obvious comparison, either. Buzzcocks were always >vastly >more pop-based than Wire. >>> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:37:22 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson >At 04:30 AM 2/26/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>As far as getting advice from a sales person on bands that sound like >>or would appeal to someone who likes Wire, the internet has a site >>called "The similarities engine," which serves that purpose, It's been >>a year or two since i've visited it (can't remember where it is), but >>it was interesting....although sometimes inaccurate (in my opinion), >>for instance, the Buzzcocks were listed as appealing to someone who >>likes early Wire...where as I never cared for them. > Perhaps the connection is due to the "Live at the Roxy" CD that features >both bands? I think that's the way some of these search engines are taught >to think. Possibly so. If such a search ever says that someone who likes Wire would probably like Johnny Moped, I'd say that's *definitely* the case. Dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #47 ******************************