From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #46 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, February 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Getting advice from a salesperson.. [Robert Brammer ] Keep all formats! [Keith Harold Vercauteren ] Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. ["Mack" ] Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. ["tube disaster" ] Wire-Washington [Vinylecho@aol.com] Re: Wire-Washington ["tube disaster" ] Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. ["tube disaster" Subject: Getting advice from a salesperson.. As far as getting advice from a sales person on bands that sound like or would appeal to someone who likes Wire, the internet has a site called "The similarities engine," which serves that purpose, It's been a year or two since i've visited it (can't remember where it is), but it was interesting....although sometimes inaccurate (in my opinion), for instance, the Buzzcocks were listed as appealing to someone who likes early Wire...where as I never cared for them. Thanks, Robert. == _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:27:10 -0800 From: "charles" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #45 Record stores will be obsolete, for sure, when the generation of kids growing up now (perhaps) get over the fetish of the object of music distribution - CDs and LPs. It may take sometime, but it will happen. But I do find younger kids that say "oh, I'll burn you a CD-R of that if you like". I usually pass, because I want the "thing" - they just want the "music". And think - this fetish is only some 40-50 years old. I for one, have an album bin in my dining room - some 1200+ records. I find CD's on the other hand, completely disposably, and of course, anything with a barcode. Old school I know.... charles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:02:31 -0600 (CST) From: Keith Harold Vercauteren Subject: Keep all formats! - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:35:17 EST From: Vinylecho@aol.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: music as non-reality Hello, I am in my 20's and very much appreciate my old Wire albums like "On Returning" on vinyl. The art is great and the vinyl itself still gets me. I know for me at least when I travel to the UK I can still buy current stuff on vinyl. I think that a "perfect" future will be one where everyone will find their niche may it be vinyl, mp3, CD, DAT, or whatever. I disagree with Keith saying future advancements are crap we should preserve our past and embrace advances. Vinyl is important and very much a great document for music and art so it should not be discarded and done with. thanks Julian REPLY FROM KEITH: I agree with you completely. I attacked the mp3 issue because some humans believe its the only way to discover music here in the information age. It's fine that it exists. I think all formats have their uses and all of them should stay in a worthwile existance... But I suppose it is a naive dream to think that the corporations would recognize this. thanks, Keith LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT WIRE,ETC. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:39:32 -0600 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >As far as getting advice from a sales person on bands that sound like >or would appeal to someone who likes Wire, ... personally all i ever get from record store clerks is attitude - and i have quite enough of that - thank you i generally find 'if you like x then y...' assumptions to be good for amusement at best. my favorite was the sticker on the oracle cd which said 'relaxing, mellow ambient synth - a MUST for fans of Insides' guess it all depends on your perspective, eh ;) the 'kid' who wrote that 'mini review' is hopelessly (for a number of reasons) infatuated with siouxie my tried and true method is try everything which seems moderately interesting 'intuition told me' david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:08:10 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >As far as getting advice from a sales person on bands that sound like >or would appeal to someone who likes Wire, the internet has a site >called "The similarities engine," which serves that purpose, It's been >a year or two since i've visited it (can't remember where it is), but >it was interesting....although sometimes inaccurate (in my opinion), >for instance, the Buzzcocks were listed as appealing to someone who >likes early Wire...where as I never cared for them. > Well, I'm on lists for both bands, but nope, I don't see the obvious comparison, either. Buzzcocks were always vastly more pop-based than Wire. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:44:42 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. > > >>As far as getting advice from a sales person on bands that sound like >>or would appeal to someone who likes Wire, ... > >personally all i ever get from record store clerks is attitude - and i have >quite enough of that - thank you Well, you never know. Just yesterday, while picking up a promo copy of the new Blondie CD (OK, I admit it -- I've got a pop sweet-tooth a mile wide & deep) at a local CD place, I overheard the clerk talking with someone on the phone about how his band was working on their album. Since he didn't look like he played in some stupid Southern Rock band (always a distinct possibility here in Little Rock), when checking out I asked him what sort of stuff his group played, while moaning that I'd bought Blondie's first albums waaaaaaaaay back when -- some 21 years ago next month. He assured me that their major influences are "those bands you were listening to 21 years ago," then proceeded to cite Wire & Joy Division as especial influences. (Turns out he wasn't bullshitting me, either, cos his profile on the group's webpage mentions Ian Curtis by name & contains at least one reference to a lyric from Pink Flag -- "I prefer the company of a woman.") The website describes them as "Atmospheric gloom pop or 'depressing alternative'" ... Nothing worth noting in most of the places everybody else here lives, but this is the middle of freakin' ARKANSAS! Sounds like another job for Kenneth Starr ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:04:34 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. Cheese us Chrysler, Independent thoughts in america, sounds like sacrilege. tube disaster wrote: > > > > > >>As far as getting advice from a sales person on bands that sound like > >>or would appeal to someone who likes Wire, ... > > > >personally all i ever get from record store clerks is attitude - and i have > >quite enough of that - thank you > > Well, you never know. Just yesterday, while picking up a promo copy of the > new Blondie CD (OK, I admit it -- I've got a pop sweet-tooth a mile wide & > deep) at a local CD place, I > overheard the clerk talking with someone on the phone about how his band was > working on their album. Since he didn't look like he played in some stupid > Southern Rock band (always a distinct possibility here in Little Rock), when > checking out I asked him what sort of > stuff his group played, while moaning that I'd bought Blondie's first albums > waaaaaaaaay back when -- some 21 years ago next month. > He assured me that their major influences are "those bands you were > listening to 21 years ago," then proceeded to cite Wire & Joy Division as > especial influences. > > (Turns out he wasn't bullshitting me, either, cos his > profile on the group's webpage mentions Ian Curtis by name & contains at > least one reference to a lyric from Pink Flag -- "I prefer the company of a > woman.") The website describes them as "Atmospheric gloom pop or 'depressing > alternative'" ... Nothing worth noting in most of the places everybody else > here lives, but this is the middle of freakin' ARKANSAS! > > Sounds like another job for Kenneth Starr ... > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:22:12 EST From: Vinylecho@aol.com Subject: Wire-Washington He assured me that their major influences are "those bands you were listening to 21 years ago," then proceeded to cite Wire & Joy Division as especial influences. (Turns out he wasn't bullshitting me, either, cos his profile on the group's webpage mentions Ian Curtis by name & contains at least one reference to a lyric from Pink Flag -- "I prefer the company of a woman.") The website describes them as "Atmospheric gloom pop or 'depressing alternative'" ... Nothing worth noting in most of the places everybody else here lives, but this is the middle of freakin' ARKANSAS! Sounds like another job for Kenneth Starr ... Dan Don't be surprised here in Washington Wire have influenced many many bands. Big bands like Minor Threat have done great covers like "12xu" and the punk scene here is rife with anti-image punkers playing staccato rhythms on their guitar. It should be Ken Starr vs. Wire. A case for made for tv. bye Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:28:13 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Wire-Washington Oh, I know ... like Dag Nasty &, I believe, SOA as well. For that matter, lots of Fugazi's stuff sounds like a distillation of Wire & Gang of 4, though not nearly as engaging (to me, anyway). [Off the top of my head, I think Minor Threat & Fugazi are the only DC acts I've ever seen ... dunno if the Bad Brains count, given their early move to NYC.] The difference, of course, is that this is *Arkansas*! Having been born & bred here, I'm always amazed when someone with even vaguely similar tastes shows up on my radar screen (like a clerk in my newsroom who's heavily into the Fall, as am I, & speaks reverently of Pink Flag). Dan >Well, you never know. Just yesterday, while picking up a promo copy of the >new Blondie CD (OK, I admit it -- I've got a pop sweet-tooth a mile wide & >deep) at a local CD place, I >overheard the clerk talking with someone on the phone about how his band was >working on their album. Since he didn't look like he played in some stupid >Southern Rock band (always a distinct possibility here in Little Rock), when >checking out I asked him what sort of >stuff his group played, while moaning that I'd bought Blondie's first albums >waaaaaaaaay back when -- some 21 years ago next month. >He assured me that their major influences are "those bands you were >listening to 21 years ago," then proceeded to cite Wire & Joy Division as >especial influences. > >(Turns out he wasn't bullshitting me, either, cos his >profile on the group's webpage mentions Ian Curtis by name & contains at >least one reference to a lyric from Pink Flag -- "I prefer the company of a >woman.") The website describes them as "Atmospheric gloom pop or 'depressing >alternative'" ... Nothing worth noting in most of the places everybody else >here lives, but this is the middle of freakin' ARKANSAS! > >Sounds like another job for Kenneth Starr ... > >Dan > > > >Don't be surprised here in Washington Wire have influenced many many bands. >Big bands like Minor Threat have done great covers like "12xu" and the punk >scene here is rife with anti-image punkers playing staccato rhythms on their >guitar. > >It should be Ken Starr vs. Wire. A case for made for tv. > >bye > >Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:29:01 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. >> >>It should be Ken Starr vs. Wire. A case for made for tv. >> No no no no no no no no Mr Suit. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:00:49 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: buzzcocks interesting to see some comment on the cocks , who i must admit i always had a soft spot for. i think a lot of people dismiss them on hearing their two or three pure pop hits , but there was always a lot more to them than that. the early devoto-led line-up was a very different animal , much harsher and more lyrically twisted than the shelley-led line-up of the 3 ua albums. if you like pink flag and havn't heard the "times up" cd (early demos) i'd recommend that totally , well worth a try. then they went and released a brilliant series of bubblegum punk singles , but the albums were much more experimental. the first lp is one of those records that transports me instantly back to being 15 again , i really rate it as a classic of that era. the other one i'll comment on is the 3rd one (different kind of tension) which didn't sell , there's some really great attempts on there to push beyond the 3 minute pop song. but , like wire , the label wanted hits so that was that. they left some great stuff though.p ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 99 03:18:15 -0600 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. Reply to: re: re: Getting advice from a salesperson.. Don't any of you out there own a copy of "Another Music in a Different Kitchen?" Or, is "Ever Fallen in Love" the only Buzzcocks song you ever heard? Wire and Buzzcocks were direct contemporaries whose respective debut recordings employed razor lyrics and the buzzsaw guitars to create brief, mesmerizing blasts of sharp, angular pop. Compare "Strange" to, say, "Fiction Romance," or "Autonomy." Compare "Feeling Called Love" to "I Don't Mind," or "What Do I Get?" Even the bands' respective sleeve designs exhibited similar graphic standards and ambitions. Pete Shelley (and Howard Devoto) began their pop careers just as subversively as did Colin, Graham and Bruce. That Buzzcocks' and Wire's subsequent work followed wildly divergent paths doesn't negate their initial similarities. Jack Dan wrote: >>for instance, the Buzzcocks were listed as appealing to someone who >>likes early Wire...where as I never cared for them. >I don't see the obvious comparison, either. Buzzcocks were always >vastly more pop-based than Wire. > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #46 ******************************