From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #43 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Colin's Influences.... [Andrew N Westmeyer ] re: he transferred his soul to his imagination ["Jack Steinmann" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #42 ["charles" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:34:03 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Colin's Influences.... Hi everyone, I've managed to get a list of Colin's current favorites (as opposed to his favorites from 6 months ago, which are totally different!). I've heard of only one of these - yikes! - --- THE COLIN LIST v. 2/99 (1) Magnetophone "you should write music/monitor rocket science" Earworm 7" (2) Magnetophone "air methods/fulm" Static Caravan 7" (3) Four Tet "dialogue" Output CD (4) Junkboy "ifyoulivedhereyou'dbehomebynow/ infrastructure" Enraptured 7" (5) Metrotone "the less you have, the more you are" Earworm CD (6) the first two releases on c-pij label (both 7") - --- Other favorites are upcoming Swim releases - new stuff by Silo, Lobe, Symptom (a new project), and many more... Be on the lookout for a new Immersion release too. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "He'd got ooperzootics on the brain." ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 99 13:14:16 -0600 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: he transferred his soul to his imagination Reply to: re: he transferred his soul to his imagination I followed Wire since Pink Flag's release, and I wouldn't rank their debut below Chairs Missing or 154. For me those first three albums are the foundation of Wire's career (together or apart); they're equally weighty. Agreed, there's a lot of distance and development between Reuters and 40 Versions, but Wire had great songs from the start -- Strange, Three Girl Rumba, Lowdown -- not just a punkish pastiche. With The Ideal Copy something had changed, the album was oddly abbreviated and the songs sounded self-conscious, like Wire trying to impersonate themselves. (Newman called the album "absolutely horrible to make," so... there you go.) - ---------------------------------- On 2/19/99, Miles Goosens wrote: ...My own feelings about PINK FLAG fall somewhere in between its knee-jerk defenders and Ibrahim: I think most of it is very good, but CHAIRS MISSING and 154 quickly surpassed it... ...the event that transformed me into a Wire fan was the purchase of a bargain-bin THE FIRST LETTER in 1992. I liked it so much that in short order I worked backwards with both versions of the group, getting CHAIRS MISSING and THE IDEAL COPY next, and I've been a devotee ever since. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:52:54 -0500 (EST) From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: Corporate Welfare > I followed Wire since Pink Flag's release, and I wouldn't rank their debut below Chairs Missing or 154. For me those first three albums are the foundation of Wire's career (together or apart); they're equally weighty. I'm not too sure about that. I think those albums were just glimpses of what was going on for them. I'm going to be vague and suggest that maybe there were aspects of later music that arrived without the benefit of an introduction via the first 3 LPs. With The Ideal Copy something had changed, the album was oddly abbreviated and the songs sounded self-conscious, like Wire trying to impersonate themselves. I don't think I could ever have arrived at that conclusion because I discovered the 80s stuff first. The tension for me comes from the contrasting approaches to making the tracks. The mood of "Still Shows" gives the impression of a group questioning itself but there's nothing that suggests any kind of self-parody. (Newman called the album "absolutely horrible to make," so... there you go.) True, they all seemed to find it painful to make but I think Dome liked despite that. It's the final result that makes it worthwhile - not the method. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:19:52 -0800 From: "charles" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #42 > > is music now a newspaper? Absolutely, even worse, it's conversation. Completely disposable. Ever since the means of distributing CD's has been in reach of literally anyone (including WMO). charles ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #43 ******************************