From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #39 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, February 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Punilux [Max Schmid ] Re[2]: PiL [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: Punilux ["tube disaster" ] Crime and Punishment ["JH3" ] re: Crime and Punishment ["Jack Steinmann" ] WIRE COLLECTION FOR SALE ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] Re: Crime and Punishment ["tube disaster" ] Re: Crime and Punishment ["tube disaster" ] 90% of ALL music SUCKS. ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] re: 90% of ALL music SUCKS. ["Jack Steinmann" ] g IV [rtc@sirius.com (Robert Cambra)] spigel newman colin malka live [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Punilux At 04:30 AM 2/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >>> 10. punilux > >Mat, I am not sure. I have only heard of the second one, never seen it >period. I was of the understanding that they split because of tax problems >with the Queen. The third I have never even heard mention of. > >Mats Hammerman wrote: > >> Oh. Forgot the name. Have to take a look in the vinylvault. Im not shure >> if I have that one. They made three albums? The third released may years >> later than the first two. Right? According to my resource, cdnow.com, there is only one release currently available (there at least) - Gigantic Days, on the Overground label (UK). As with most import albums, there is no info; no track listings, no release date, no nothing. It may even be a compilation of some sort, but who knows? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:07:12 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: PiL well yes indeed . my copy (no 12) arrived a couple of days ago and its really good stuff. if you liked "bastard" then i'd recommend this totally , some really good electro-grooves. and , without giving it away totally , the final track "encore" should be rather familiar! so all we need now is some uk gigs. how's about it then? p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: PiL Author: SE:qwerty@CMU.EDU at INTERNET Date: 15/02/1999 18:17 Excerpts from mail: 12-Feb-99 re: PiL by "Jack Steinmann"Éclynch. > "Album" is what I throw on the turntable when I get nostalgic > for PiL. It's heavy metal done properly. Interestingly, the guitarist on "Album" is none other than Steve Vai. Some of the tracks are being re-released on Vai's upcoming box set. Scary, huh? Also, it was produced by Bill Laswell, another familiar name. ANYHOW. Does anyone want to talk about Wire? How about Colin's live CD - has anyone heard it yet? (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwertyÉcmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/üqwerty "Haven't you heard? Sometimes flying saucers don't make a noise of any kind." -Ed Wood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:51:00 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Punilux >At 04:30 AM 2/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>> 10. punilux >> >>Mat, I am not sure. I have only heard of the second one, never seen it >>period. I was of the understanding that they split because of tax problems >>with the Queen. The third I have never even heard mention of. >> >>Mats Hammerman wrote: >> >>> Oh. Forgot the name. Have to take a look in the vinylvault. Im not shure >>> if I have that one. They made three albums? The third released may years >>> later than the first two. Right? > According to my resource, cdnow.com, there is only one release currently >available (there at least) - Gigantic Days, on the Overground label (UK). >As with most import albums, there is no info; no track listings, no release >date, no nothing. It may even be a compilation of some sort, but who knows? Here's the label's description (http://www.overground.co.uk/ ... an excellent reissue house) -- >>An unreleased album originally recorded in 1981 couples with six bonus tracks from 1984 by one of new wave's most innovative bands. 'Gigantic Days' is the natural successor to 'Revolution By Numbers' and shows the band becoming increasingly introspective. A bleak album! >>Starting life in December 1976 in the north-east of England, Punishment Of Luxury soon attracted a large following with their theatrical live performances. A single, the classic ‘Puppet Life’ was released on Small Wonder in June 1978. The success of the single, a punishing tour schedule and increasing media interest soon had several major labels chasing them. >>In 1979 they signed to United Artists and released the ‘Jellyfish’/’Engine Of Excess’ single. 1980 saw the release of the ‘Secrets’/’Brain Bomb’ single and the seminal album ‘Laughing Academy’. All received critical acclaim and sold well. An extensive European tour followed and then United Artists sent the band back to the studio to record another album. >>In the meantime United Artists had been taken over by EMI who saw the future of music as the Cockney Rejects and Vice Squad. Unsurprisingly, in 1980 Punishment Of Luxury didn’t fit into their plans and were dropped. These recordings were issued by Overground Records last year, titled ‘Revolution By Numbers’ (Over 66CD) to great critical acclaim. >>In 1981, Punishment Of Luxury re-entered the studio and recorded various sessions for a concept album titled ‘Gigantic Days’. Upon completion Punishment Of Luxury toured the new recordings and offered the album to various labels. However, as the line-up changed and a contract was negotiated with Red Rhino these recordings were overlooked in favour of the newer recordings that would become the ‘Seven’ album. >>This release couples the 'Gigantic Days' recordings with the rare 1984 ‘Feels Like Dancing Wartime’ album, virtually unseen as Red Rhino folded just after its release. Packaged with a 12 page booklet with full lyrics and sleeve notes by Neville Luxury.<< Now I'm gonna have to get out my copy of the Revolution by Numbers disc & give it another listen ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:34:53 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Crime and Punishment Boy-o-boy, this has certainly snowballed, hasn't it? Nevertheless, here's what little I can add to the stuff from Overground records about Punilux, who bear virtually no similarity to Wire whatsoever, so please delete this now if you're sick of this thread. >It was my understanding that Red was the second album ? "Red" probably refers to their original guitarist, Red Missile, who only made it as far as their first single, "Puppet Life," on Small Wonder records. (Actually, I'm not totally sure the last name he used was "Missile" but I'm quite certain about the "Red" part.) I think there was a King Crimson album called "Red." Also, one of my favorite XTC songs is called "Red"... Anyway, the lineup on Laughing Academy was Nevilluxury as the guitarist/lead singer, Steve Sekrit on drums, Jim Giro on bass, and Brian Bond on keyboards and occasional vocals. > They made three albums? The third released may years > later than the first two. Right? Close enough! After Laughing Academy and the first four singles, they lost Brian Bond and replaced him with another guitarist named Aitch, and released "Seven" and an accompanying single, "Hold Me (Never Mould Me)"/Golden Corsets." But Seven was really not that good (IMO) and I kind of lost interest after that, so I'm not too clear on the rest of the story. I think they broke up again, after which the frontman (Nevilluxury) supposedly did a solo album which I've never seen and don't even know the title of. It might not even exist, but if anybody has it, I might be able to come up with some neat things to trade for a tape of it. (Then again, it might be really awful for all I know.) So until recently there were only two albums, strictly speaking. "Revolution By Numbers" was, AFAIK, a repackaging job, but it looks like "Gigantic Days" is all previously-unreleased stuff. I assumed it was an import too, but they're pricing it as a domestic (for the US, anyway). I'm now on my second attempt to buy it from CDNow - it seems to be on perpetual backorder, but maybe I'll get lucky. (I should just get it straight from Overground.) So anyway, those guys from Wire have made some good records... John Hedges ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 99 13:40:26 -0600 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: Crime and Punishment Reply to: re: Crime and Punishment They sure did. Has anyone heard 12XU? On 2/16/99, John Hedges wrote: >So anyway, those guys from Wire have made some good records... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: WIRE COLLECTION FOR SALE (sigh)...Well... I've finally decided... I should only own records that I actually *listen* to. I don't have a list made up yet but there are quite a few things I'd like to part with. There a few things that I'd part with "for the right price" and others that I have no intention of letting go. So... send me your offers and let's see what we can do. I'm also willing to trade for blank MiniDiscs and (for those of you in the Toronto area) virtually any kind of musical gear. ibrahim yu151711@yorku.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:42:13 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Crime and Punishment >So until recently there were only two albums, strictly speaking. "Revolution >By Numbers" was, AFAIK, a repackaging job, but it looks like "Gigantic Days" >is all previously-unreleased stuff. I assumed it was an import too, but >they're pricing it as a domestic (for the US, anyway). I'm now on my second >attempt to buy it from CDNow - it seems to be on perpetual backorder, but >maybe I'll get lucky. (I should just get it straight from Overground.) > I've had pretty good luck getting Overground stuff (including, I think, Revolution By Numbers ... can't imagine who else I'd have ordered it from) from Bomp, & at domestic prices -- about $10 a disc, if memory serves. They're pretty hit-&-miss at carrying the label's releases, though, else by now I'd have the June Brides, 14 Iced Bears, Shapes, V2, Maniacs & Blitzkrieg Bop retrospectives, among others. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:43:36 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: Crime and Punishment That Minor Threat song? Cooooooooool ... Dan > >They sure did. Has anyone heard 12XU? > > >On 2/16/99, John Hedges wrote: >>So anyway, those guys from Wire have made some good records... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:52:45 -0500 (EST) From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: 90% of ALL music SUCKS. On Feb 16, 1:40pm, Jack Steinmann wrote: > Subject: re: Crime and Punishment > Reply to: re: Crime and Punishment > > They sure did. Has anyone heard 12XU? > Pink Flag was probably quite interesting in its time. I can listen to it and think: "hmmm, interesting concept" but can I listen to it and say: "ooh, wicked stuff!"? No. The sounds are dull and it's not nearly as funny as "...I Care Because You Do." Chairs Missing is much better. > > On 2/16/99, John Hedges wrote: > >So anyway, those guys from Wire have made some good records... > >-- End of excerpt from Jack Steinmann ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 99 14:00:33 -0600 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: 90% of ALL music SUCKS. Reply to: re: 90% of ALL music SUCKS. Okay, fine. Has anyone heard Too Late? On 2/16/99, IBRAHIM BOZAI wrote: Pink Flag was probably quite interesting in its time. I can listen to it and think: "hmmm, interesting concept" but can I listen to it and say: "ooh, wicked stuff!"? No. The sounds are dull and it's not nearly as funny as "...I Care Because You Do." Chairs Missing is much better. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:45:31 -0800 From: rtc@sirius.com (Robert Cambra) Subject: g IV Dear All, I'm looking for the g-man 12", "g-man IV," that came out last year on Swim~'s g label. Does anyone have a copy they would want to sell or trade for? It's already o/p and, though I know it will be rereleased eventually, g-man is one of my favorite Swim~ artists--hey--anxious ears wanna hear it now. Speaking of Swim~ . . . has anyone heard anything new lately better for blasting out of a convertable while tooling down the highway than "Parasites" from Malka Spigel's "My Pet Fish?" Thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:06:25 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: spigel newman colin malka live On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > well yes indeed . my copy (no 12) arrived a couple of days ago and its > really good stuff. if you liked "bastard" then i'd recommend this > totally , some really good electro-grooves. and , without giving it away > totally , the final track "encore" should be rather familiar! Mine arrived today (the "James Bond" issue - 007), and on first listen I'm quite pleased. Seems to split the difference between Wire's skewed popsong base and Newman/Malka's more recent dancy/ambienty/whathaveyou-y stuff in a way that follows up on the promising but ultimately disappointing _Bastard_. Another hint: "It's Odd" is aptly titled, also familiar... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: np: Pere Ubu _Pennsylvania_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 9:48:43 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: 90% of ALL music SUCKS. ..........my favourite review of pink flag described it as "the history of rock n roll compressed into 40 minutes". which is as good a dexcription as i could offer really. i listen to it and its just so many ideas shooting out all over the place. i love that line "can't wait for 78" , like they knew even more possibilities were around the corner. dull? no way.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: re: 90% of ALL music SUCKS. Author: MIME:jsteinmann@clynch.com at INTERNET Date: 16/02/1999 21:14 Reply to: re: 90% of ALL music SUCKS. Okay, fine. Has anyone heard Too Late? On 2/16/99, IBRAHIM BOZAI wrote: Pink Flag was probably quite interesting in its time. I can listen to it and think: "hmmm, interesting concept" but can I listen to it and say: "ooh, wicked stuff!"? No. The sounds are dull and it's not nearly as funny as "...I Care Because You Do." Chairs Missing is much better. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #39 ******************************