From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #37 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, February 15 1999 Volume 02 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: oh no please no [Uri Baran ] Re[2]: turkeys [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: PiL [was Damned/PIL/Wire Covers] [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:27:54 -0800 From: Uri Baran Subject: Re: oh no please no Jack, Absolutely, although they went shit after 1980, no one came near doing that sort of thing ... in fact no one ever did anything like that sort of thing and its on CD too 'cos it's one of my faves. Rgds Uri Jack Steinmann wrote: > > Reply to: re: oh no please no > > Punishment of Luxury? I loved their debut album. A guilty pleasure. Broadway should offer such entertainment. > > Jack > > On 2/11/99, paul rabjohn wrote: > i feel it is now appropriate to list my ten least essential punk/new wave acts of the era. so here goes, the top ten turkeys > > 10. punilux ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 9:58:48 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: turkeys i was sticking to 77/78 but i will concede a flock of seagulls are as bad an act as you are likely to come across. worryingly , i read somewhere they have reformed. frightening news. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: turkeys Author: MIME:dmack@geocities.com at INTERNET Date: 12/02/1999 17:47 there are really tooooo many turkeys to nemtion but you forgot A Flock of Seagulls and Ministry d ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:17:33 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: PiL [was Damned/PIL/Wire Covers] >while I like the first three PiL albums lots, my favorites are the mid-'80s duo of ALBUM (or CASSETTE, or COMPACT DISC -- you know, the generic cover) and HAPPY?. Granted, these two albums are more accessible and conventional than METAL BOX/SECOND EDITION or FLOWERS OF ROMANCE (hey, it's a short list of things that are less accessible than FLOWERS), but there's something about letting propulsive rhyt ms and actual hooks into the mix that makes Lydon's vocals all the more compelling for me. Normally I'd attribute slagging off of these records to the prejudice against electronic music that we often see displayed with regard to '80s Wire, but since Robert favorably mentions the Bambaata and Leftfield collaborations, which are no hing if not electronic and danceable, I'm curious to hear more about why these tracks work for him, but the aforementioned PiL albums don't. i always think of the latter pil albums as starting at "this is what you want" , which has a couple of good tracks and a lot of filler. "live in tokyo" is just , to me , pointless re-workings of old tracks by a session band. "album" and "happy" are the best of the post-levine stuff i agree , but to me its just too "rock" , too safe. i like the 2 electro-type tracks i mention because they're contemporary dance tracks and thus a bit musically challenging. whereas the post-levine pil stuff i find to be very straightforward rock music and also samey. "9" is atrocious , using the pet shop boys producer was probably not the greatest idea mr l has come up with so far. i'm a big jl fan , i'd love to hear him work with some cutting-edge musicians rather than slipping into self-parody in front of a rock band going thru the motions. but following his flop solo album i gather he's going to re-form pil , which probably points to more of the same.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #37 ******************************