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idealcopy-digest      Thursday, February 11 1999      Volume 02 : Number 033



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #32               ["Interserv" <wmo@interserv.com>]
  Riot.                          [Robert Brammer <mrrebel_the_1st@yahoo.com>]
  Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #32              [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se]
  Too much                            ["Wilson, Paul" <P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk>]
  Re: Bunch of Stuff                        [professor ned <ned@cs.wisc.edu>]
  Re: Mute                            [Craig Grannell <cngrannell@yahoo.com>]
  Damned/PIL/Wire Covers                                  [Vinylecho@aol.com]
  Re: Mute                               [Creaig Dunton <pdaddy@sprynet.com>]
  Re: Mute                                          [BillyD <xj23@yahoo.com>]
  Re: Damned/PIL/Wire Covers    ["tube disaster" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>]
  AW: Re: Bunch of Stuff                                [dieter.loos@ubs.com]
  Re: sales                           [Craig Grannell <cngrannell@yahoo.com>]

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:19:36 -0800
From: "Interserv" <wmo@interserv.com>
Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V2 #32

>to follow on , i wonder what sort of sales the swim discs manage? i think
>some of these have been really worthwhile but i doubt anyone other than
real
<hard-core fans know they exist. a really great album like "bastard" seems
to
>go unpromoted and unadvertised , yet colin is a "name" act. if that was me
,
<i'd be really frustrated. maybe they're happy at a certain level but it
<seems a pity to me that the word doesn't get around more. this is as much
an
<observation as a criticism , i'm not telling anyone what they should or
<shouldn't do.p

Just so you know - Swim discs sold about 500-1000 in the US - Ronnie &
Clyde, Dol-Lop, Water Comm and Malka's Hide. Bastard did about 1500-200.

Malka Spigel "My Pet Fish" and Silo's "Instar" have March release dates in
US And Canada.

It's not really a question of spending more on marketing, Swim wouldn't sell
any more records unless your talking about outrageous sums of cash. It's
about Swim acts (and Wire for that matter) Touring the US to create more
fans. To that end, Colin & Malka are coming over in April or May.

As for the Volkswagen ad, the artists will make more money there than
selling TONS of CD's. Commercial work is pay dirt.

As for WMO, sales are similar, but the numbers are Worldwide. Coatings sold
about what Bastard did. I'm sorry to report that the HSO sold on the low
end.

c
**

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:35:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Brammer <mrrebel_the_1st@yahoo.com>
Subject: Riot.

I heard that Wire were one of the only Punk bands in the late 70's
that actually had the misfortune of being involved in a real
riot....what happened? 

Robert.
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:45:58 +0100
From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se
Subject: Re[2]: idealcopy-digest V2 #32

1t's not really a question of spending more on marketing, Swim wouldn't sell any more records unless your talking about outrageous sums of cash. It's about Swim acts (and Wire for that matter) Touring the US to create more fans. To that end, Colin & Malka are coming over in April or May.

i wasn't really talking about big bucks marketing ; more just simple things like getting cd's reviewed. i would have thought bastard could have got reviewed in things like Q and Mojo  ; do you send copies out? i live in birmingham , uk second city of 2M people with a huge hmv / virgin / tower yet i doubt i could find any swim releases  in town. i know where to look but yer average punter just won't ever work it out. which is , i think , a pity. p

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:15:04 -0000
From: "Wilson, Paul" <P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk>
Subject: Too much

		cosmos <cosmos@casema.net <mailto:cosmos@casema.net> >
ultimate punk collection, wrote: strange nobody has mentioned the first ever
released punk anthem: damned damned damned by the damned.

No.  And is anyone surprised!

		Uri Baran <uri.b@virgin.net <mailto:uri.b@virgin.net> > Re:
Great punk bands, wrote: How about adding Flux of Pink Indians, Conflict,
The original Spizz Energi (sorry about that one all you purists out there).

The ORIGINAL Spizz Energi.  I don't think that was their name originally.
As far as memory serves, they changed their name every year, starting out as
Spizz 77, then becoming Spizz Oil in 1978 to release their first singles.
Spizz Energi arrived in 1979, followed by Athletico Spizz 80.  Several
others have followed but I can't remember them all (except The Spizzles,
Speizz Energi 2, Spizz).

Going through my record collection the other day, I realised that one of my
fave bands from the early 80's was a group called The Passage.  The lead
singer was a certain Dick Witts (of Oxford Road Show fame, and former member
of the Halle Orchestra in Manchester).  I once went to see them immediately
after they released their first album, and they didn't play any songs from
it!  Must sound familiar to Wire fans.  Whatever happened to Dick Witts?

Paul KW

PS Is not not about time we stopped all this stuff.  There is just too much
mail arriving!

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:28:16 +0100
From: professor ned <ned@cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Bunch of Stuff

   >Then there is an "In Every City?" 7" (7 STUMM 74) which came with four
postcards:  'Eggs Refuse to
   >Clear Up    Pope Mystery' by Lewis, 'Untitled' by Newman, 'Everyday
Pralines' by Gilbert, and
   >'Untitled' by Gotobed.  This must have come packaged with some Wire 12"
release, but I don't remember which.

I got these as part of the box set which included the UK IBTABA, Drill and
A Bell Is A Cup LPs plus the "In Every City?" 7". It's got Mute stamped all
over it, but that having been said, I've never met anyone else who owns the
thing, or who's even heard of it for that matter...

- -ned



                                    "I could really chill out in New York."
	                                   -Mick Harris

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:56:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Craig Grannell <cngrannell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mute

Mute did a load of limited box sets, one suspects to clear old stock. 
One recentish one I saw in London comprised of Document and
Eyewitness, In Vivo and Kidney Bingos (all Cds) for a price above that
of buying them all individually!!



C

- ---professor ned <ned@cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> 
>    >Then there is an "In Every City?" 7" (7 STUMM 74) which came
with four
> postcards:  'Eggs Refuse to
>    >Clear Up    Pope Mystery' by Lewis, 'Untitled' by Newman,
'Everyday
> Pralines' by Gilbert, and
>    >'Untitled' by Gotobed.  This must have come packaged with some
Wire 12"
> release, but I don't remember which.
> 
> I got these as part of the box set which included the UK IBTABA,
Drill and
> A Bell Is A Cup LPs plus the "In Every City?" 7". It's got Mute
stamped all
> over it, but that having been said, I've never met anyone else who
owns the
> thing, or who's even heard of it for that matter...
> 
> -ned
> 
> 
> 
>                                     "I could really chill out in New
York."
> 	                                   -Mick Harris
> 
> 	             http://www.gestalt-media.com/stromkern/
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:07:22 EST
From: Vinylecho@aol.com
Subject: Damned/PIL/Wire Covers

In a message dated 99-02-10 11:17:25 EST, P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk writes:

<< 	cosmos <cosmos@casema.net <mailto:cosmos@casema.net> >
 ultimate punk collection, wrote: strange nobody has mentioned the first ever
 released punk anthem: damned damned damned by the damned.
 
 No.  And is anyone surprised! >>

 
I never liked the Damned too. I thought they influenced alot of  the "stupid"
end of punk rock like Sham 69 and stuff. I know that is harsh but it had to be
said.

One band that has been overlooked from the late 70's postpunk scene is PIL. I
know there was discussion only about 1st generation punk but their first album
as well as "Second Edition" are explosive. I think these albums display punk
power with creativity despite the fact their lead singer is so well known.
Which is says alot considering how dated the Sex Pistols sound now. I still
think that Jah Wobble is a bass god as well the guitarist especially on
"Second Edition" is quite a far out player.

As for Wire content I have to add if anyone has heard any great Wire songs by
other bands? My favorite has to be "12XU" by Minor Threat.

thanks

Julian

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:37:32 -0500
From: Creaig Dunton <pdaddy@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Mute

Craig Grannell wrote:

> Mute did a load of limited box sets, one suspects to clear old stock.
> One recentish one I saw in London comprised of Document and
> Eyewitness, In Vivo and Kidney Bingos (all Cds) for a price above that
> of buying them all individually!!
>
> C

I've got that box set....but I was much luckier to get mine used here in
the US for $12, which is a pretty decent price I think.  Though those
Throbbing Gristle boxes Mute's made are outragiously priced...$72 for 3
discs that are sold for $12?  Insane ;)

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ICQ:  5417270 AOL:  Creaig

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:55:01 -0800 (PST)
From: BillyD <xj23@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mute

Mute is going to do it again with Depeche Mode.
They are re-releasing the singles boxes and some new boxes from all
the albums since then.
I think those boxes sold for around $30 in '91.
You can still find all of their cd singles for $5-6.
But just think of the box and some cool new pics to go with it...
Wot a fucking rip off!!!

Cheers,
Billy




- ---Creaig Dunton <pdaddy@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Craig Grannell wrote:
> 
> > Mute did a load of limited box sets, one suspects to clear old
stock.
> > One recentish one I saw in London comprised of Document and
> > Eyewitness, In Vivo and Kidney Bingos (all Cds) for a price above
that
> > of buying them all individually!!
> >
> > C
> 
> I've got that box set....but I was much luckier to get mine used
here in
> the US for $12, which is a pretty decent price I think.  Though those
> Throbbing Gristle boxes Mute's made are outragiously priced...$72
for 3
> discs that are sold for $12?  Insane ;)
> 
> --
> -Creaig Dunton/Thurston Jenkins
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> http://fpc.hypermart.net <- False Prophet Campaign Zine
> http://2fmp.hypermart.net/mypage <- My Page
> ICQ:  5417270 AOL:  Creaig
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:56:20 -0800
From: "tube disaster" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Damned/PIL/Wire Covers

>In a message dated 99-02-10 11:17:25 EST, P.Wilson@bury.gov.uk writes:
>
><< cosmos <cosmos@casema.net <mailto:cosmos@casema.net> >
> ultimate punk collection, wrote: strange nobody has mentioned the first
ever
> released punk anthem: damned damned damned by the damned.
>
> No.  And is anyone surprised! >>
>
>
>I never liked the Damned too. I thought they influenced alot of  the
"stupid"
>end of punk rock like Sham 69 and stuff. I know that is harsh but it had to
be
>said.

Dunno about *that* ... & FWIW, I don't have a huge problem with some of
Sham's stuff (Borstal Breakout & If the Kids are United belong in any list
of essential punk singles) & am even starting to dip my toe into a bit of Oi
these days (mainly the Business, Cock Sparrer & the Oppressed), only about
17 years late.

The Damned *are*, though, about the only band I can think of off the top of
my head who never really got it right till their *3rd* (recorded after
breaking up & re-forming, of course) album, in this case Machine Gun
Etiquette.
>
>As for Wire content I have to add if anyone has heard any great Wire songs
by
>other bands? My favorite has to be "12XU" by Minor Threat.
>
Andrew's webpage includes a looooong list of covers, which I contributed a
few entries to. I don't have time to look it up now, but all of a sudden I
can't remember if Manic Hispanic's version of 12XU is on there or not ...

Dan

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:51:10 +0100
From: dieter.loos@ubs.com
Subject: AW: Re: Bunch of Stuff

i've also got this "wire - the drill - limited edition box set". it's 
numbered and mine is # 283. it's got the 7" "in every city (remix) / (a 
chicago) drill (edit)" (7 stumm 74, but not the 4 postcards. they came 
with my regular copy (uk) of ibtaba.
this box set doesn't make much of a sense for me as doesn't the cd 
ltd-ed-box-set of "dokument&eyewitness" (grey area / wire80x).

dieter


- ----------
>   >Then there is an "In Every City?" 7" (7 STUMM 74) which came with four
>postcards:  'Eggs Refuse to
>   >Clear Up    Pope Mystery' by Lewis, 'Untitled' by Newman, 'Everyday
>Pralines' by Gilbert, and
>   >'Untitled' by Gotobed.  This must have come packaged with some Wire 12"
>release, but I don't remember which.
>
>I got these as part of the box set which included the UK IBTABA, Drill and
>A Bell Is A Cup LPs plus the "In Every City?" 7". It's got Mute stamped all
>over it, but that having been said, I've never met anyone else who owns the
>thing, or who's even heard of it for that matter...
>
>-ned

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:13:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Craig Grannell <cngrannell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: sales

In the UK singles sales have dropped very sharply due to the Now
compilations et al but album sales have been afftected less.  Trying
to work out Wire sales via chart positions would be somewhat difficult
as only three of the albums made the charts anyway (although many of
their releases figured well in the now unimportant indie chart,
including Ideal and Bell, which I believe both hit #1).

As for sales, I read somewhere that the Mute stuff sold around 10k
each early on, dropping off to 6or7k for TFL.  That could be rubbish
though ...

As for Swim~ (particularly the reviews problem) just look at the
weeklies in this country now!  I have no idea if the situation is the
same in the 'States but in the UK we now have MM and NME, both of
which are about a quarter of the size they used to be.  And instead of
caring about alternative music they either slag it off (as with
Malka's new album which was called self-indulgent in MM) or, more
often than not, ignore it.  These papers now carry only two or three
pages of reviews and then only the releases they deem important enough
to carry.  Of course, much of Swim~ will not feature there due to the
releases contining different styles and not fitting neatly into a
catagory.  Also, Colin didn't put a cover of 12XU on Bastard, bad form
when MM are still excited about "rediscovering" the EMI Wire albums
(in 1995 ...)  G-Man and Ronnie and Clyde have managed fairly good
press though still less space than deserved.


C.

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