From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #32 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: Bunch of Stuff [2] (adv/stillbird) [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Best bands? ["aargh@erols.com" ] sales [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: Bunch of Stuff ["Jack Steinmann" ] Re[2]: Bunch of Stuff [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] swim sales ["Mack" ] Re: swim sales [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: decades of great bands [Max Schmid ] Looking for This Heat (off topic) [William Fellows-Jensen ] Re: Punk Bands [Brian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:02:55 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Bunch of Stuff [2] (adv/stillbird) - ---Robert Cambra wrote: >>he life "Drill" did.) >It may not have taken on the life Drill did (of which there must now be pushing 40 versions) but there was one rather mellow but spectacular (IMO) re-working for the Manscape gigs. The guitar (derderderderderderder) was sampled and the beat "shuffled" a little. Less abrasive but more compelling perhaps. There's a boot tape of this gig which also includes Eardrum Bingos and a rather less successful re-working of Ahead. >if you sneaked a look at the set list they'd re-christened advantage in height as "bombay" to identify the new version. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:18:59 -0500 From: "aargh@erols.com" Subject: Best bands? I can't think of anything I really truly dislike musically other than maybe Bob Seger and the Eagles, but that's from 25 years of having that stuff crammed down my throat. The worst reaction you can get from me on any music is "it makes sound." (Most hit music makes sound to me, but not all of it.) Then again I don't really have all that many bands I'm obsessed with, but here's my list of things that I love: Hindemith Stockhausen Dary John Mizelle Ralf Wehowsky Hafler Trio Nurse With Wound Tortoise Stereolab Autechre Can Captain Beefheart Wire Orb Orbital Future Sound Of London Klaus Schulze Zappa/Mothers Stravinsky Sun Ra Cabaret Voltaire Throbbing Gristle Main Techno Animal Alice Cooper Hawkwind Gong Art Bears/Fred Frith/Henry Cow, etc. Faust Boredoms I would list the Residents but I'm a bit too close to the band, so they don't count, even though I have more Residents paraphernalia around the house than anyone I can think of. I think I'm drowning in eyeballs. and that's all I can think of right now except for my huge stash of acid, trance, dnb, jungle, and happy mixtapes. I like all sorts of music and I feel that if you stick to one kind of music you're not very musically healthy. Once in a while you need a simple, catchy pop album to clear your brain, like some people just go outside and look at trees. There's an old album from '67 with Twink (from Pink Fairies), Junior Wood, Keith West and Steve Howe (believe it or not) called "Tomorrow" which seems to do the trick just fine for me. Right now my favorite album is the vinyl edition of Thurston Moore's Root. And my favorite song is usually the one I'm writing at the moment .... I don't worry whether any band or any song "sucks" because if I have that reaction, usually there's something in it that I'm not getting, and it's my problem. The only thing that I can think of that I will probably never particularly enjoy is that Bettie Serveert album where they play all of their favorite Velvet Underground songs live at the Dramminsdramminshollinshollinshollinsvonhausenbergerdorff somewhere in Germany, because I just don't get the point. My personal opinion is that people who sit around rating bands as good or bad have had just a little too much rock journalism and are more interested in appearing cool than enjoying music. Sincerely, Keef. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:12:58 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: sales anyone got any ideas of sales figures for the emi/mute singles & albums? i'm always curious to know actual figures as i know chart positions are often "manipulated". i guess the punk-era singles sold a lot , i keep hearing it said that sales then were massively more than now. hard as it is to believe , i read that the sort of sales oi oi bands like blitz and the exploited used to achieve would make them top ten acts at current levels. which would be ,er, entertaining for sure! to follow on , i wonder what sort of sales the swim discs manage? i think some of these have been really worthwhile but i doubt anyone other than real hard-core fans know they exist. a really great album like "bastard" seems to go unpromoted and unadvertised , yet colin is a "name" act. if that was me , i'd be really frustrated. maybe they're happy at a certain level but it seems a pity to me that the word doesn't get around more. this is as much an observation as a criticism , i'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do.p ------------------------------ Date: 09 Feb 99 08:56:01 -0600 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: Re: Bunch of Stuff Reply to: Re: Bunch of Stuff Okay, I'm thumbing through my Wire miscellany here... the Wire "In Vivo" 7" is LMUTE98. The mailer package is stamped 'Wilton of London.' Then there is an "In Every City?" 7" (7 STUMM 74) which came with four postcards: 'Eggs Refuse to Clear Up Pope Mystery' by Lewis, 'Untitled' by Newman, 'Everyday Pralines' by Gilbert, and 'Untitled' by Gotobed. This must have come packaged with some Wire 12" release, but I don't remember which. Also, a muted (get it?) version of "In Every City?" appears on the U.S. Mute compilation CD (whose name escapes me), released around the same time (maybe earlier than) "The Drill." Jack On 2/9/99, paul.rabjohn wrote: Perhaps as great an obscurity would be the limited edition 7" "In Vivo" with something called "Stillbird" on the b-side--this I've never seen or heard . . . but I'd like to. i got this at a record fair , its blandly packaged in a stiff brown card 7" mailer. its a sort of megamix of drill versions from the "the drill" album , interesting but not really essential. sadly it doesn't include "in every city" which is my favourite take.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:28:37 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Bunch of Stuff i think in the uk those postcards came with a the ibtaba vinyl lp at certain indie stores only , sadly i didn't get hold of these. i got the "in every city" 7" thru wmo , i guess it was a promo for "the drill". but no p/s and no postcards with my copy. i remember that compilation , i thought it was "jumping mint" not "in every city" on the one floating around the uk. i'm a completist in terms of tracks not editions so i've never bothered buying iffy looking albums with wire tracks i've got elsewhere.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Bunch of Stuff Author: MIME:jsteinmann@clynch.com at INTERNET Date: 09/02/1999 15:53 Reply to: Re: Bunch of Stuff Okay, I'm thumbing through my Wire miscellany here... the Wire "In Vivo" 7" is LMUTE98. The mailer package is stamped 'Wilton of London.' Then there is an "In Every City?" 7" (7 STUMM 74) which came with four postcards: 'Eggs Refuse to Clear Up Pope Mystery' by Lewis, 'Untitled' by Newman, 'Everyday Pralines' by Gilbert, and 'Untitled' by Gotobed. This must have come packaged with some Wire 12" release, but I don't remember which. Also, a muted (get it?) version of "In Every City?" appears on the U.S. Mute compilation CD (whose name escapes me), released around the same time (maybe earlier than) "The Drill." Jack On 2/9/99, paul.rabjohn wrote: Perhaps as great an obscurity would be the limited edition 7" "In Vivo" with something called "Stillbird" on the b-side--this I've never seen or heard . . . but I'd like to. i got this at a record fair , its blandly packaged in a stiff brown card 7" mailer. its a sort of megamix of drill versions from the "the drill" album , interesting but not really essential. sadly it doesn't include "in every city" which is my favourite take.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:24:14 -0800 From: "Mack" Subject: swim sales ~swim stuff has been reasonably well promoted stateside, at least visable, but without knowing what the sales are, it is hard to determine how effective the promotion is. certainly Bastard has acheived some shelf position and visability in Chicago, that is to say multiple copies were ordered, not just one for the bin at the local Tower and a couple other retailers I visited. Not so for My Pet Fish, which I had to order from GM. I have not heard any tracks from bastard in Gap or Volkswagon adverts, which is the only way I think people get to hear things which don't fit into a radio programmer's cubby. (as an aside, I wonder what the peoiple at Volkswagon thought when they realized their auto commercial was an hommage to a pedarist film director sung by a bloke named Genesis P'Orridge :) that advert didnot last really - really long ) That said, ~swim is Colin and Malka's venture, so one cannot blame an anonymous record company for promotion missteps. Tho in the states these functions are (were?) covered by World Domination. Still the choice of distributer was theirs. My obs4ervation is that the best we (fans) can do is to play the music for anyone we meet, and blare it out our automobile windows. >to follow on , i wonder what sort of sales the swim discs manage? i think some of these have been really worthwhile but i doubt anyone other than real hard-core fans know they exist. a really great album like "bastard" seems to go unpromoted and unadvertised , yet colin is a "name" act. if that was me , i'd be really frustrated. maybe they're happy at a certain level but it seems a pity to me that the word doesn't get around more. this is as much an observation as a criticism , i'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:30:37 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: swim sales (as an aside, I wonder what the peoiple at Volkswagon thought when they realized their auto commercial was an hommage to a pedarist film director sung by a bloke named Genesis P'Orridge :) that advert didnot last really - really long ) >>sorry , as a brit i'm missing this completely. what's the song? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:21:50 -0500 From: Max Schmid Subject: Re: decades of great bands At 04:30 AM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I'm not sure who started the top 10 punk list, but it would be interesting >>to hear what other Wire fans consider to be great bands/CD's. Any musical >>genre; not just punk. Ok, here's the music I couldn't do without (had to get all releases from) while growing old, in roughly chronological order: (sorry, but you've probably heard of most of these bands) - Do they all stand the test of time? Mostly, yes, to me at least. The '50s The Coasters Little Richard (these in retrospect - I wasn't buying my own records yet) The '60s and beyond (because the decades start running together and overlapping). The Beatles The Zombies Moody Blues - first 2 singles only! "Go Now" and "Stop!" (and nearly all other British invasion stuff - ah, to be 13 again!) Free Yes The Move and early ELO City Boy Elvis Costello and the Attractions Graham Parker and the Rumour - Squeezing Out Sparks & Up Escalator period The English Beat Split Enz (mostly the later stuff) Shriekback!!! KMFDM and more recently... The Flaming Lips, especially "Transmissions from the Satellite Heart" and beyond. Other random favorite releases or groups: Iggy Pop Live at the Boston Channel (maybe because I saw the NY version of the show, where the lead-off band was the then-unkown Jane's Addiction, who were practically booed of the stage, but they wouldn't take the hint). Medium Medium Deaf School - Don't Stop the World/Second Honeymoon; English Boys/Working Girls The collection called T-Rextasy, which I only have on scratchy vinyl - the cream of the crop, and somehow I can't get into the bulk of the raw t-Rex catalog. The Turtles Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels Ian Dury and the Blockheads Jo Jo Zep and the Falcons ......and many, many more. My introduction to punk was when a perpetual college student friend of mine left a stack of 45s one day, including The Dictators "Science Gone to Far", Clash "White Riot", Ramones "Beat on the Brat?" and others I don't recall right now, but they're still around here somewhere. I didn't care much for it at the time. It took me a while to get it, and the preceding list may explain why. By the way, there's a great recent collection of live punk tracks on a tiny label going by the various titles "The Unacceptable Stench of Bullshit" and "100% Pure Bollocks" and "100 Punk Anthems" - 1977 Dressed to Kill label. All recorded live and in surprisingly great sound quality. 6-CD box. "Made in England", where perhaps you've heard of this label. Also of note - a new group of releases from Rhino called PostPunk Chronicles - one volume is called "left of the Dial". The line-up: 01. Radio Free Europe - R.E.M. *02. Outdoor Miner - Wire ******** 03. Transmission - Joy Division 04. Ceremony - New Order 05. Eye Of The Lens - The Comsat Angels 06. In Shreds - The Chameleons 07. Smiles & Laughter - Modern English 08. I'm In Love With A German Film Star - The Passions 09. Airwaves - Thomas Dolby 10. Sugar Hiccup - Cocteau Twins 11. Pink Frost - The Chills 12. I Am A Rock - The Church 13. Do You Dream In Colour? - Bill Nelson 14. No One's Little Girl - The Raincoats 15. Academy Fight Song - Mission Of Burma 16. Tell Me When It's Over - The Dream Syndicate The two other Postpunk collections are called "Scared to Dance" and "Going Underground". And finally - In my inbox I came across a group called The Lo-Fidelity All-Stars "How to Operate with a Blown Mind" which I rather liked on first hearing. Reminds me a bit of Portishead at times. Anyone heard of them? On Skint/Columbia from England. In case you can't tell, I don't follow the music press at all, work at night and don't go out, and only listen to music rejected by the rest of the WBAI arts department. And really finally - What is the meaning of "Oi!"? Is it a label, or some recent type of punk? I got a few releases proclaiming to be just that. Oh, this is the Wire list? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:54:13 +0100 From: William Fellows-Jensen Subject: Looking for This Heat (off topic) The brilliant British band This Heat has been mentioned a couple of times on the Wire mailing-list recently. I am wondering if somebody out there could help me get my grubby little hands on the following items: This Heat, This Heat w. Mario Boter Diekuuroh, MC, Tago Mago 4753, 1982. This Heat, After The Heat (Demo Recording), CD, This H 001, ? This Heat, Live At The ICA Club London 27.12.1980, CD, This H 002, ? This Heat, Cold Storage (Krefeld Germany 1980), CD, Canterbury Dreams CTD 020, ? This Heat, SPQR (Last concert in London 1982), CD, Canterbury Dreams CTD 027, ? This Heat, Tago Mago Unreleased+12" Singles), CD, Canterbury Dreams CTD 028, ? Most of them are Japanese releases (and bootlegs at that) and I've been in e-mail contact with a couple of guys in Japan but they couldn't help out. Maybe you can? All the best and sorry for this mail with no Wire content whatsoever William Fellows-Jensen Denmark Europe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:45:13 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: swim sales >(as an aside, I wonder what the peoiple at Volkswagon thought when they realized their auto commercial was an hommage to a pedarist film director sung by a bloke named Genesis P'Orridge :) that advert didnot last really - really long ) > >>>sorry , as a brit i'm missing this completely. what's the song? > As an American, so am I. Serves me right for basically watching everything taped (night job, until recently) & fast-forwarding right through the commercials ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:30:19 -0800 From: Brian Subject: Re: Punk Bands What I haven't seen which directly relates to Wire is Robert Wyatt's Ruth is Stranger than Richard which should have been on your list's ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #32 ******************************