From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #31 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Great bands/songs [dieter.loos@ubs.com] Re: Great bands [radareyes@webtv.net] Re[2]: Great punk bands [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: Great bands [rivethead & soup_99 ] Bunch of Stuff [rtc@sirius.com (Robert Cambra)] Re: Bunch of Stuff [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] Re: Bunch of Stuff [2] (adv/stillbird) [Craig Grannell Von: 3uncle / unix, mime >Datum: Freitag, 5. Februar 1999 05:34 > >I'm not sure who started the top 10 punk list, but it would be interesting >to hear what other Wire fans consider to be great bands/CD's. Any musical >genre; not just punk. > > >Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:42:48 -0600 (CST) From: radareyes@webtv.net Subject: Re: Great bands Here goes my list of best bands: (in no particular order): - -Red Krayola - -CAN - -Velvet Underground - -Swell Maps - -Cluster - -Mayo Thompson - -13th Floor Elevators - -Television - -Faust - -Nihilist Spasm Band - -Spacemen 3 - -NEU! - -Soft Machine (early years only 67-74) - -My Bloody Valentine - -La Dusseldorf - -Silver Apples - -Skip Spence - -Amon Duul - -Sonic Youth - -Kraftwerk (anything pre-75) - -Fifty Foot Hose - -anything that was on the ESP record label and so much more......... Oh and by the way, I've been on this list for a while and I just wanted to know anyone here besides me under 22? I was born in 1978. Just curious. ciao. Jim in the USA. radareyes@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:52:43 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re[2]: Great punk bands > A UK Decay retrospective has been overdue for ages, esp. given the fact that they're credited (blamed?) for being a founding father of Goth. (A status that the Mob, actually, could lay a bit of a claim too ... check out Witch Hunt.) I'm lucky enough to own what I think is their debut 7", the Black Cat EP, which I'm told is quite rare. > >no , no. the debut single was something called the "split single" , 2 tracks each by uk decay and pneumania. whereas from "black cat" onwards they were a sophisticated post-punk/ pre-goth act , the first single is real amateur-hour local punk band stuff. well worth having and worth about £20 if you can find one. the latersingles are much easier to find , i'm amazed no cd re-issues have emerged as yet. but then i , like them , come from luton so i'm biased. paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:24:10 -0800 From: rivethead & soup_99 Subject: Re: Great bands radareyes@webtv.net wrote: > Here goes my list of best bands: > > (in no particular order): > > -Red Krayola > -CAN > -Velvet Underground > -Swell Maps > -Cluster > -Mayo Thompson > -13th Floor Elevators > -Television Television?! Did someone say Television?! http://www.slip.net/~rivethed/tvsite.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:04:14 -0800 From: rtc@sirius.com (Robert Cambra) Subject: Bunch of Stuff Ideal Copyists, A bunch of stuff: 1) Steve Jackson wrote 16 Jan.: "An Advantage in Height"...a song that never fails to make me feel 10ft tall, and was very useful when I came to buy new hi-fi. The bassline is absolutely fantastic, as is that guitar that goes"ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner" ...that song is so *tense* Finally!--this is the first time I've I heard someone point out what a great song this is and say what's great about it. (If only it had taken on the life "Drill" did.) Two of the essential, defining features that make Wire so compelling are prominent here: that very particular, tight faux-mechanical rhythm and those unique, grinding, droney textures. (How would you put it?) 2) > > as a more general comment , my nominations for the hardest items to track > down would be ; > > > > ac marias ; drop/so> > michael o'shea lp> > des simmons ; penguin island vinyl lp > > colin ; interview 12" I was surprised at how many years it was easy to find Colin's 12" interview disc; "Penguin Island" was always around (I sold my copy when I felt that the best track on the album, "The Gymnast", was as good as the least good track on a Colin Newman album, but had no trouble finding another copy years later when I came to my senses; I picked up the one copy, used, of "Drop"/"So" I ever came across and I'm glad I did--a great, weird little disc; came across a few copies of P'o and MUZI and picked them up but the Michael O'Shea album still remains allusive to me. Perhaps as great an obscurity would be the limited edition 7" "In Vivo" with something called "Stillbird" on the b-side--this I've never seen or heard . . . but I'd like to. 3) I think Craig Grannell has a very sensible and practical view on completism. But there are other ways of listening. When an artist's work is important enough to you, you get serious about it and have to experience it all. You want the whole picture--the successful, unsuccessful and the stuff you just aren't sure about. In for a penny, in for a pound. Wire (and the member's work outside the band) is taken that seriously by a lot of us. (Or am I just justifying my own anal compulsivity??) 4)Andrew Westmeyer wrote: So I'm fairly sure that Wire didn't open for Erasure, at least in the US.Has anyone else heard that Wir remix of Erasure's "Fingers And Thumbs"? I thought it was kind of boring. I remember Wir being advertised as the opening band for that Erasure tour--fortunately I noticed Wir dropping off the bill before I bought a ticket. I can't get excited about Erasure but I do enjoy the Wir remix of "Fingers and Thumbs"--love that long sensuous Wir drone they gave it. 5)Is there something special about the Japanese release of Bruce Gilbert's "In Esse?" 6) Has anyone ever noticed that the music to "The finest Drops" is identical to that of an old song called "Drink Some Wine?" 7) What _is_ Bruce doing with sound?? 8) Oh yes, Craig! Blurt--one of my favorite bands. Ideal to play on rotation with Wire. 9) Robert Brammer wrote 6 Feb 1999: Personally, I think Sid was an idiot who received far more than heever deserved! He was just an image, and he couldn't play or do verymuch else for that matter.I have no idea why such a self-destructive poser could be a hero to somany? Any ideas? Yes, because this was PUNK. Negative values were essential to this (necessarily) short-lived little art movement.The Chelsea Hotel interview in D.O.A. is spooky and, surprisingly, Sid comes across very sympatheticly and Nancy . . . not so much--an annoying, needy whiner as I remember. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:09:38 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: Bunch of Stuff Perhaps as great an obscurity would be the limited edition 7" "In Vivo" with something called "Stillbird" on the b-side--this I've never seen or heard . . . but I'd like to. i got this at a record fair , its blandly packaged in a stiff brown card 7" mailer. its a sort of megamix of drill versions from the "the drill" album , interesting but not really essential. sadly it doesn't include "in every city" which is my favourite take.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Grannell Subject: Re: Bunch of Stuff [2] (adv/stillbird) - ---Robert Cambra wrote: [Advantage in Height] > >what a great song this is >(If only it had taken on the life "Drill" did.) It may not have taken on the life Drill did (of which there must now be pushing 40 versions) but there was one rather mellow but spectacular (IMO) re-working for the Manscape gigs. The guitar (derderderderderderder) was sampled and the beat "shuffled" a little. Less abrasive but more compelling perhaps. There's a boot tape of this gig which also includes Eardrum Bingos and a rather less successful re-working of Ahead. >Two of the essential, defining features that make > Wire so compelling are prominent here: that very >particular, tight faux-mechanical rhythm and those >unique, grinding, droney textures. It's a common theme right through from Pink Flag to Vien, and also in many Dome and CN/MS Swim~ pieces. > disc; came across a few copies of P'o and MUZI and picked them up but the A mate of mine has an uncle who works for Cherry Red Records (who released MZUI). He managed to get a copy from them so maybe for those that still want this release that's worth trying. >Perhaps as great an > obscurity would be the limited edition 7" "In Vivo" with something called > "Stillbird" on the b-side--this I've never seen or heard . . . but I'd like > to. Another mate has a promo copy of this release. Stillbird is basically excerpts from what became "The Drill", not bad but hardly essential. Isn't the 7" In Vivo on Mute's "A List"? I forget ... > 3) I think Craig Grannell has a very sensible and practical view on > completism. But there are other ways of listening. When an artist's work is > important enough to you, you get serious about it and have to experience it > all. You want the whole picture--the successful, unsuccessful and the stuff > you just aren't sure about. This was the way I used to think until I realised I was following certain bands well past their prime and wasting time and money on releases that should never have been. Also, I found when one goes backwards one can often be disappointed (not always the case, but often). As for Wire, although they are one of my favorite bands I don't feel compelled to grab every single rarity. I'd rather concentrate on what they're doing now. > 4)Andrew Westmeyer wrote: So I'm fairly sure that Wire didn't open for > Erasure, at least in the US.Has anyone else heard that Wir remix of > Erasure's "Fingers And Thumbs"? I thought it was kind of boring. > As far as I know Wir didn't support Erasure at all (anywhere). They'd have continued their habit of supporting huge bands had this have happened - Roxy Music, Depeche Mode (their singer actually mention Wire briefly in the 101 film), Blur ... mind you did you see the look on the faces of 90% of the crowd at the Blur gig? Most amusing :) > 5)Is there something special about the Japanese release of Bruce Gilbert's > "In Esse?" > Many Mute releases in Japan have extra tracks. I'm not sure about "In Esse" - it may just be sold at a premium just for Japanese script!! BTW, for all those in the UK who buy imports stop going to HMV and Virgin and shop at the CWNN!! A bit of a plug, I know, but they do sell imports at the -same- price as the British release most of the time. C. == - ---------------------------- Craig Grannell-------------- www: SNUB.COMMUNICATIONS - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk Wireviews - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html - ---------------------------- cngrannell@yahoo.com ------- "Creativity is the highest civilising faculty - Ben Okri" - --------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #31 ******************************