From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #30 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, February 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Great (not just punk) bands ["Mats Hammerman" ] Re: More Pistols.. [John Howard & Martha Hamilton ] Vicious rumors... [Mike Edwards ] Re: Vicious rumors... [radareyes@webtv.net] Re: Vicious rumors... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 04:08:11 PST From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: Re: Great (not just punk) bands Blurt! I once had dinner with Ted Milton of Blurt. I was in copenhagen having dinner with the distributor for my label who doubelbooked himself with him as well. I did not get much said. Ted took over the show. Quite entertaining. What have he done since then. Anyone? Mats in Sweden >> Jeff wrote the attached. >> How's this then in no particular order: >> >> Blurt > >Excellent!! Didn't realise people still knew about Blurt. I saw them >a few years ago at an arts festival in Cardiff (supported by a very >very kistch tinky pop electro act). Only two hundred or so of us at >the gig but everyone was jumping around like nutters. > >Anyway, someone was asking about other great LPs / CDs (any genre), so: > >Banco de Gaia: Last Train to Lhasa >Eno/Byrne: My life in the Bush of Ghosts >Air: Moon Safari >LFO: (anything!) >The Fall: Levitate >Bowie: 1.Outside >Leftfield: Leftism > > >Craig. > > >== >---------------------------- Craig Grannell-------------- >www: >SNUB.COMMUNICATIONS - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk >Wireviews - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html >---------------------------- cngrannell@yahoo.com ------- >"Creativity is the highest civilising faculty - Ben Okri" >--------------------------------------------------------- >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 99 11:29:16 -0000 From: John Howard & Martha Hamilton Subject: Re: More Pistols.. Julian wrote: >Exactly I mean Sid is like the Elvis Presley of Punk in a way. He is the the >first true self-destructive figure outside of the mainstream/normal world BUT >like Presley was just talentless. Presely talentless? You can't be serious. Yeah he made some shit records, but he also made some great ones too. And not just his rockabilly...Suspicious Minds for instance. He had a killer voice and was capable of singing any kind of music and putting himself into it...no matter how crappy the material. Sid is a pathetic figure with his own particular resonance, a better comparison would be...well I can't even think of one. But Presley is certainly NOT it. john +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ God came between us He set our hearts afire and doused it with oceans - Jandek ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:00:59 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: More Pistols.. >Julian wrote: >>Exactly I mean Sid is like the Elvis Presley of Punk in a way. He is the the >>first true self-destructive figure outside of the mainstream/normal world BUT >>like Presley was just talentless. >Presely talentless? You can't be serious. Yeah he made some shit >records, but he also made some great ones too. And not just his >rockabilly...Suspicious Minds for instance. He had a killer voice and >was capable of singing any kind of music and putting himself into it...no >matter how crappy the material. Sid is a pathetic figure with his own >particular resonance, a better comparison would be...well I can't even >think of one. Michael Bolton? Scratch that ... Sid (a) could sing & (b) had good hair. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:41:12 -0500 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Vicious rumors... Sid was typical of management tampering. The Pistols tossed out Glen Matlock, and by that time Johnny was sick of the whole enterprise, why not bring in his untalented violent friend Sid? Malcolm Mclaren was for it because he had a cartoonish version of Johnny to foist on the world , and possibly to replace Rotten when the whole thing blew up. What's another untalented punter, right? Except the Pistols were talented, as their Matlock era boots bare out. With the arrival of Sid the whole band fell into rushing through songs and shows to get the mess over with. Sid is a classic symbol of a poseur who belives that simply getting the public's attention is enough. Sid couldn't sing, he couldn't play, and if that makes you punk, well than maybe we should all join a band. Punk rock, prog rock, folk rock, art rock, it don't mean a thing if you lack talent. X-Ray Specs, Joy Division, even the Slits, who could barely play, had talent. Sid was just a symbol. Nothing more. See ya' Mike - -- Come see the Mike und Pat reader! http://members.tripod.com/~CFT/MACHINEHEAD.HTML (updated 2/99) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:37:06 -0600 (CST) From: radareyes@webtv.net Subject: Re: Vicious rumors... (mike wrote): Sid couldn't sing, he couldn't play, and if that makes you punk, well than maybe we should all join a band. Punk rock, prog rock, folk rock, art rock, it don't mean a thing if you lack talent. X-Ray Specs, Joy Division, even the Slits, who could barely play, had talent. Sid was just a symbol. Nothing more. See ya' Mike _____-- Yes, it does make him a punk. And yes that's what I thought punk was all about anybody could fucking do it. Punk had a link of avant to it with by saying fuck chords lets bash. so go make a band now and jam. mij ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:45:19 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Vicious rumors... On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 radareyes@webtv.net wrote: > (mike wrote): > Sid couldn't sing, he couldn't play, and if that makes you punk, well > than maybe we should all join a band. Punk rock, prog rock, folk rock, > art rock, it don't mean a thing if you lack talent. X-Ray Specs, Joy > Division, even the Slits, who could barely play, had talent. Sid was > just a symbol. Nothing more. See ya' > Mike > _____-- > > Yes, it does make him a punk. And yes that's what I thought punk was all > about anybody could fucking do it. Punk had a link of avant to it with > by saying fuck chords lets bash. so go make a band now and jam. The key is: you *start* there - but it's worthless if you don't go anywhere interesting (i.e., have talent, develop it). Wire is Exhibit A for what the punk attitude *can* make at its best. Me, I'm partial to the explanation offered by Colin B. Morton & "Chuck Death" (Jon Mekon) (all "mistakes" intended): "Glan Tatlock one day accidentally turned up for rehearsal and while waiting for the others not to turn up got bored and learned to play his bass a bit. He was immediately replaced by Sydney Vicious....." - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #30 ******************************