From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #28 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, February 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 028 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Great punk bands [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] punko de rocka [Martin theBernd Schmeil ] Punk Rock Movie [Robert Brammer ] Re: Punk Rock Movie [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] colis productions [paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] British Punk, Offtopic but interesting. [Robert Brammer ] Egomaniacal Display of Musical Prowess [auteur@ix.netcom.com] ultimate punk collection [cosmos ] Re: Egomaniacal Display of Musical Prowess [Miles Goosens ] Re: British Punk, Offtopic but interesting. ["tube disaster" ] Re: colis productions [Uri Baran ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:14:23 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: Great punk bands well i was to blame for the original list , i'm afraid. i guess most people knew of those bands so here's a list of my favourite obscure and underrated acts worth checking out.......... this heat click click uk decay ausgang dancing did the mob zounds sudden sway rema rema none of whom sold many records but i loved 'em dearly. check em out.p ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Great punk bands Author: MIME:3uncle@cyberramp.net at INTERNET Date: 05/02/1999 05:39 I'm not sure who started the top 10 punk list, but it would be interesting to hear what other Wire fans consider to be great bands/CD's. Any musical genre; not just punk. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:44:58 +0100 From: Martin theBernd Schmeil Subject: punko de rocka my all time faves besides wire are ruts killing joke (turn to red to a new day minus fire dances) bogshed leatherface dag nasty government issue maybe some of them aren't punk, so what. i also have a blurt lp (with the football-head-dude), didn't listen to it for many years. one of my favourite punk 7"s is maniacs chelsea 77. has anyone ever seen the bogshed stop revolving 7"? when i got introduced to the electro-wire (at the berlin gig in 85 or 86) i didn't like it very much. then i got used to it. but now it's gone again and except for snakedrill (not drill!) i don't feel the urge to listen to it too often. i wish they had left all this synth and drumcomputer shit and made it to some good popsongs with the "beat" sound of songs like fragile or outdoor miner. - - tB! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Brammer Subject: Punk Rock Movie Any idea why Wire were left out of the Punk Rock movie? Were they disliked by the "scene?" Robert. == Beware it's worth! It stops at nothing. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:59:27 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: Re: Punk Rock Movie good point! presumably don letts was there at the wire performances so maybe he filmed them? who knows. the movie is amateur but has some fabulous performances , a couple of wire tracks would have been the icing on the cake. (and if there was a space problem bye bye eater) thinking about it , you'd think the final roxy performances , ie the ones on the live lp , would certainly have been filmed. that album is a strange mixture , some fabulous stuff in with dross like johnny moped , eater and the unwanted. i recall siouxsie made a big deal about pulling out , pity as some early banshees would have been a nice addition.paul ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Punk Rock Movie Author: MIME:mrrebel_the_1st@yahoo.com at INTERNET Date: 05/02/1999 17:33 Any idea why Wire were left out of the Punk Rock movie? Were they disliked by the "scene?" Robert. == Beware it's worth! It stops at nothing. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:12:06 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: colis productions i was digging through some drawers looking for something and i found an old melody maker cutting from 1992 (i used to do such things but i'm all right now). somebody had written in with a question about colin's crammed discs stuff. as a final comment it says colin has been producing a dutch group called the serenes who will be releasing on the belgian antler label. also he was allegedly collaborating with john bonnar on an album on crammed's "heavenly bodies" ambient series. well , that's all news to me. did these 2 releases happen? who the hell were the serenes then? follow on questions. what on earth were parade ground , alain bashung and sonoko like (other acts colin produced listed in kevin's book)? anyone ever buy or hear these records? i'm curious.paul p,s to all you old punks , sid died 20 years ago this week. i remember finding out byreading it in the newspapers i was delivering when i was doing a paper round (i was 14). poor old sid , what a berk. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Brammer Subject: British Punk, Offtopic but interesting. Hello, another movie you should get, if you don't already have it is Tom Forcade's "DOA" It features good quality (good quality compared to the punk rock movie) footage of the Sex Pistols shows in the U.S, The X-ray Spex, and many other British Punk bands. For you punk rock historians out there: Tom Forcade, the man in charge of DOA, was the publisher or editor? of Hightimes Magazine at the time, and was a Sex Pistols Zealout. He beleived that the Sex Pistols were the U.S. only chance for Anarchy (which of course, he was a proponent of). He and a film crew followed the Sex Pistols around the U.S. filming, and usually being kicked out of the shows (filming was not allowed, and they did not have a contract with the Sex Pistols) only to sneak back in again and resume filming. He tried desperately to interview Sid, but was repeatedly denied by Malcomb Mcclaren. In a last ditch effort, Tom got a hotel room where the Sex Pistols were staying and offered Sid, who was going through drug withdrawl, some drugs in exchange for an interview. I've never seen this interview, so I assume he didn't get much of an interview before one of the band roadies found what had happened and returned Sid to his room. After the Sex Pistols broke up Tom got the last interview with Sid and Nancy before Nancy died and Sid died shortly thereafter....it is an intersting interview (which is included on the DOA tape), that really shows how messed up Sid and Nancy were on drugs (Sid passes out many times during the interview). Tom Forcade committed suicide shortly after the Sex Pistols broke up, still convinced that they were the only hope of anarchy in the U.S. On another Sex Pistols side note, The History Channel recently did a story on the Great Train Robbery, which made Ronnie Biggs (who later sang for the Sex Pistols) Infamous. He is very old and sickly now, but he still is the Only man involved in the robbery who has not been brought to trial in England. He still lives in Rio on the beach. == Beware it's worth! It stops at nothing. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:52:28 EST From: Vinylecho@aol.com Subject: Re: Punk Rock Movie Subj: Re: Punk Rock Movie Date: 99-02-05 14:44:24 EST From: Vinylecho To: mrrebel_the_1st@yahoo.com In a message dated 99-02-05 11:32:21 EST, you write: << Any idea why Wire were left out of the Punk Rock movie? Were they disliked by the "scene?" Robert. >> Hmmm Wire to me were so arty and minimalstic just not bondage wear/green hair punks but intelligent punk. Grant it they wrote one of the best punk classics "12XU" which outsrips anything by the fuckin Pistols. I think they just never fit in to be quite honest. My 2 cents Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Brammer Subject: And another thing..offtopic I've posted this before, but Since there are some new guys on the list who are interested in the Sex Pistols.. I went to the re-union show at Mud Island in Memphis...I can't say anything good about the show, it was very predictable and the venue had a real "friendly" security staff that would kick you out of the show if you got out of your seat! But my friends and I did follow the Sex Pistols to their hotel (sure it's a lame thing to do, but I couldn't help it, it was either that or go home), and we met Paul Cook, Steve Jones, and Glen Matlock. True to form Steve Jones was a womanizer, trying to go after anything that walks, Paul Cook was very quiet and "down to earth," and haha...Glen Matlock was trying to pick up a woman who was quite obviously disinterested in him. Johnny Rotten had gone out to the clubs, so we never got to see him. However I made a very "artful" Punk Rock Diploma that was of course awarded to none other than yours truly, and had Paul Cook, Steve Jones, and Glen Matlock authograph it. So that's Mr. Punk Rock to you, Robert. == _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 18:03:08 -0500 From: auteur@ix.netcom.com Subject: Egomaniacal Display of Musical Prowess Well, I haven't posted anything in ages, but I'll reply to the list of all-time fave bands (who can resist?) Coil Endura Legendary Pink Dots Julian Cope Wolfgang Press Skinny Puppy Brian Eno Kraftwerk Cabaret Voltaire Pale Saints Velvet Underground Also: >click click Whoa! Glad to see someone else who likes this band! Cheers! Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 01:08:32 +0100 From: cosmos Subject: ultimate punk collection >Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:58:43 -0000 >From: "Wilson, Paul" >Subject: Re: ultimate punk collection > >There are some glaring omissions from your list! > >I have most of what you have so far included but you need to add these: >Crossing the Red Sea with The Adverts (an absolute classic, shame they >turned crap after that album); Any of the early Fall albums (up to the point >where Marc 'Lard' Riley left the band); Entertainment by The Gang of Four; >Thirst by Clock DVA. I know some of these aren't strictly PUNK, but what >is? If you want to be strict, then most of your list could be thrown out! strange nobody has mentioned the first ever released punk anthem: damned damned damned by the damned andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:22:05 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Egomaniacal Display of Musical Prowess Couple of bounces today, first ones in a while. Remember to reply to the original sender, not to me. - -- listowner Miles >Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:09:25 -0800 >From: Thom Heileson >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >CC: auteur@ix.netcom.com >Subject: Re: Egomaniacal Display of Musical Prowess > >> Well, I haven't posted anything in ages, but I'll reply to the list of >> all-time fave bands (who can resist?) > >Pas moi! I share many faves listed already, but in an attempt not to >repeat, > >Recent interest, off head's top: > >Oval >Scala >Stereolab >Locust >Bowery Electric >Porter Ricks > >Old stand-by's (omitting what's been mentioned, which is omitting much): > >My Bloody Valentine >Seefeel >Barry Adamson >Holger Hiller >Main >Paul Kendall >Charles Mingus >Talk Talk's last two albums (Spirit of Eden + Laughing Stock, incredible >stuff) >Ole Joy Div > >(in no particular order and w/ glaring omissions...) > >> Bowie: 1.Outside > >Glad to see another's appreciation for this one... I seem to remember >lackluster reviews when it came out, but I think is quite the dark >masterpiece... > >Thom > >-- > >Thom Heileson > heileson@pobox.com > > www.pobox.com/~heileson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:25:13 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: re colin's produciones Bounce #2 (the dreaded html content)... later, listowner Miles >From: "Mack" >To: "IdealCopy List" >Subject: re colin's produciones >Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:34:16 -0800 > >> what on earth were parade ground: >pretty dismal and not particularly colin-like sounding from the 2 12"s I >picked up >tho @ $.25 each, I am not complaining particularly > >> alain bashung : >is a pretty major pop singer figure in france >novice is actually a dandy sounding album, and tho my french is = >admittedly >poor, i enjoyed the lyrics - one song is a list of addresses as i = >recall. >there is a lot of colin-like sounding guitar, tho i dont remember if he = >was >creditied as a player. if he didn't play - he brought his pedals for = >sure >i found this one in a closeout rack in the international section of Rose >Records for $3 >worth every penny there too > >>and sonoko : >this one i have yet to hear, tho i understand that colin was fairly = >pleased >with it ;) > >other productions i have heard and own are the Virgin Prunes - If I Die = >I >Die (who never sounded better) and Minimal Compact (natch!) - Raging = >Souls >(not too bad either) > >on a related note - anyone know what became of Ear Trumpet (Bruce = >produced >and played guitar on one or two tracks)? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 02:04:16 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: British Punk, Offtopic but interesting. Hmmm ... interesting. I'll have to rack my memory at some point, but I'm pretty sure I knew Forcade's name before this solely in connection with the US underground press movement of the late '60s, on which I did a lot of research back in grad school. Seems to me he may have been a Yippie ... Somewhere I've got the High Times issue (the only one I ever bought, I'm relatively sure) with the Sex Pistols US tour travelogue ... I thought it was written by Victor Bockris, but this was nearly 21 years ago, so I could easily be mistaken. At any rate, I certainly didn't know Forcade (sure the spelling wasn't FoUrcade? or maybe that was the guy who played quarterback for the New Orleans Saints a couple of times while I lived down there ...) had any involvement with the DOA flick. I thought that was done by (name only remotely approximate, probably) Wolf Kowalski, or somebody ... Dan >Hello, another movie you should get, if you don't already have it is >Tom Forcade's "DOA" It features good quality (good quality compared to >the punk rock movie) footage of the Sex Pistols shows in the U.S, The >X-ray Spex, and many other British Punk bands. > >For you punk rock historians out there: >Tom Forcade, the man in charge of DOA, was the publisher or editor? >of Hightimes Magazine at the time, and was a Sex Pistols Zealout. He >beleived that the Sex Pistols were the U.S. only chance for Anarchy >(which of course, he was a proponent of). He and a film crew followed >the Sex Pistols around the U.S. filming, and usually being kicked out >of the shows (filming was not allowed, and they did not have a >contract with the Sex Pistols) only to sneak back in again and resume >filming. >He tried desperately to interview Sid, but was repeatedly denied by >Malcomb Mcclaren. In a last ditch effort, Tom got a hotel room where >the Sex Pistols were staying and offered Sid, who was going through >drug withdrawl, some drugs in exchange for an interview. I've never >seen this interview, so I assume he didn't get much of an interview >before one of the band roadies found what had happened and returned >Sid to his room. After the Sex Pistols broke up Tom got the last >interview with Sid and Nancy before Nancy died and Sid died shortly >thereafter....it is an intersting interview (which is included on the >DOA tape), that really shows how messed up Sid and Nancy were on drugs >(Sid passes out many times during the interview). >Tom Forcade committed suicide shortly after the Sex Pistols broke up, >still convinced that they were the only hope of anarchy in the U.S. > >On another Sex Pistols side note, The History Channel recently did a >story on the Great Train Robbery, which made Ronnie Biggs (who later >sang for the Sex Pistols) Infamous. He is very old and sickly now, but >he still is the Only man involved in the robbery who has not been >brought to trial in England. He still lives in Rio on the beach. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 02:09:07 -0800 From: "tube disaster" Subject: Re: And another thing..offtopic >I've posted this before, but Since there are some new guys on the list >who are interested in the Sex Pistols.. > >I went to the re-union show at Mud Island in Memphis...I can't say >anything good about the show, it was very predictable and the venue >had a real "friendly" security staff that would kick you out of the >show if you got out of your seat! And I think I posted *this* before ... Dunno where you were seated, but on *my* side (far right, facing the stage) we had no problems leaving my seat & going up to the front railing. I had a helluva time ... It's not often I go to a show & can roar along to virtually every word of every song (I could barely talk on the drive home to Little Rock). Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 09:14:22 -0800 From: Uri Baran Subject: Re: Great punk bands Paul, You must have been into exactly the same scene as I was in the early eighties. Zounds only ever had one mildly famous single (demystification),the mob were highly obscure unless you were into the crass scene and UK decay sort of crossed over into most scenes. How about adding Flux of Pink Indians Conflict The original Spizz Energi (sorry about that one all you purists out there) Uri paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > > well i was to blame for the original list , i'm afraid. i guess most people knew of those bands so here's a list of my favourite obscure and underrated acts worth checking out.......... > > this heat > click click > uk decay > ausgang > dancing did > the mob > zounds > sudden sway > rema rema > > none of whom sold many records but i loved 'em dearly. check em out.p > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 09:20:55 -0800 From: Uri Baran Subject: Re: colis productions Paul, I heard recently that poor old sid had a very hard time in jail in the US apparently he was raped. Sort of explains what happened to him. Uri paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se wrote: > > > p,s to all you old punks , sid died 20 years ago this week. i remember finding out byreading it in the newspapers i was delivering when i was doing a paper round (i was 14). poor old sid , what a berk. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #28 ******************************