From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #18 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 018 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: natures mortes [Sergey Kazachenko ] Re: catagorize me, please (and other stuff) [Craig Grannell Subject: Re: natures mortes >oh , by the way , i notice colins a-z and singing fish/not to cd's both still orderable from beggars/4ad ; havn't seen these in the shops for ages. paul Bought both of them (a-z and fish/not to as one album) for $1 each at a Strawberries bargain bin. I LOVE Strawberries after that! Sergey Kazachenko aka Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:46:20 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Grannell Subject: Re: catagorize me, please (and other stuff) On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 dieter.loos@ubs.com wrote: > > > > > looks like most of you are into the "techno" side of wire. > > > what about the guitar drone side. > > It seems an odd thing to attempt to catagorize sections of a band's output when it was so diverse. Although the later Wire and recent Swim~ / HSO work have used technology more obviously than in the earlier Wire and CN stuff it seems the arrangements (ie: a reliance on "drone") are still evident. Much of the Swim~ stuff is built on loops as was the First Letter. Wire tracks from Pink Flag to the First Letter are built on a single chord that melody is played over. Many of the "techno" tracks have guitar drone built in! > - ---Uri Baran wrote: > having always struggled a little with the > inability of 'techno' to deliver 'powerful' songs. Wow. Shocking. What about the KLF? Okay, so their stuff was a little piss-take :) but it was bloody powerful (especially at the 2K gig). Personally, I reckon The Orange House and the Blue House (from Bastard) is also an immensely powerful piece. Great build & arr. >I know this is all> subjective but it is difficult to isolate a late period Wire/Wir song > that to use a horrible US phrase 'kicks ass' the way that the guitar > oriented variants did. > Ahead, Illuminated, Jumping Mint, Goodbye Ploy, Craftsman's Touch, Take it, Naked Whooping and Such-Like (live), Big Glue Canal ... > On to another subject. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that Wire > were an 'Art Musicians' or even a 'Musicians Music' group. If > you look at all the groups who claim to be influenced by them and then > look at how many of the people on the Ideal Copy are > musicians of one sort or another,it starts to make sense. It also may > account for the fact that Wire never seemed to produce anything > that wasn't exactly what they wanted it to be with the concept of > producing something designed to satisfy a market segment being utterly > alien to them. Hence result - never big commercial success but great > 'art' that is timeless because it was never in fashion. Perhaps. Although, in my experience, most musicians that are trying to do something different (rather than regurgetate previous styles or play pop) often seek out the more leftfield bands anyway. However, Wire never sold many records for a number of reasons, be it a sometimes hostile mainstream press, a complete lack of interest in playing old or even current tracks, a refusal to knuckle under to the mainstream of the time (instead choosing to innovate), texts about all sorts of stuff rather than just going down the pub, etc. C. == - ---------------------------- Craig Grannell-------------- www: SNUB.COMMUNICATIONS - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk Wireviews - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html - ---------------------------- cngrannell@yahoo.com ------- "Creativity is the highest civilising faculty - Ben Okri" - --------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #18 ******************************