From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #16 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, January 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: big black [Uri Baran ] Re: big black [radareyes@webtv.net] Re: big black [Geoffry ] Re: big black ["Steve Jackson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:12:44 -0800 From: Uri Baran Subject: Re: big black flaherty michael w wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 dieter.loos@ubs.com wrote: > > > looks like most of you are into the "techno" side of wire. > > what about the guitar drone side. > > This is the side I like best, but, judging by the posts of the past year, > I think we're in a minority--which is fine w/ me. > Not as far as I'm concerned having always struggled a little with the inability of 'techno' to deliver 'powerful' songs. I know this is all subjective but it is difficult to isolate a late period Wire/Wir song that to use a horrible US phrase 'kicks ass' the way that the guitar oriented variants did. On to another subject. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that Wire were an 'Art Musicians' or even a 'Musicians Music' group. If you look at all the groups who claim to be influenced by them and then look at how many of the people on the Ideal Copy are musicians of one sort or another,it starts to make sense. It also may account for the fact that Wire never seemed to produce anything that wasn't exactly what they wanted it to be with the concept of producing something designed to satisfy a market segment being utterly alien to them. Hence result - never big commercial success but great 'art' that is timeless because it was never in fashion. Uri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:59:52 -0600 (CST) From: radareyes@webtv.net Subject: Re: big black (Uri wrote): On to another subject. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that Wire were an 'Art Musicians' or even a 'Musicians Music' group. If you look at all the groups who claim to be influenced by them and then look at how many of the people on the Ideal Copy are musicians of one sort or another,it starts to make sense. It also may account for the fact that Wire never seemed to produce anything that wasn't exactly what they wanted it to be with the concept of producing something designed to satisfy a market segment being utterly alien to them. Hence result - never big commercial success but great 'art' that is timeless because it was never in fashion. Uri __________ Right on Uri. Wire was just like many of the great 'cult followed' bands that came before them like Can, NEU!, Red Krayola, Faust, Cluster, Velvet Underground, etc. All of them never comprimised their sound and did what they wanted to do. Gem** radareyes@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:01:50 -0500 From: Geoffry Subject: Re: big black > > > Not as far as I'm concerned having always struggled a little with the > inability of 'techno' to deliver 'powerful' songs. I know this is all > subjective but it is difficult to isolate a late period Wire/Wir song > that to use a horrible US phrase 'kicks ass' the way that the guitar > oriented variants did. > Subjective notions aside, maybe it wasn't in Wir(e)'s agenda to become a "kick ass" rock band. geoffry. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:13:18 -0000 From: "Steve Jackson" Subject: Re: big black . I know this is all >> subjective but it is difficult to isolate a late period Wire/Wir song >> that to use a horrible US phrase 'kicks ass' the way that the guitar >> oriented variants did. >> > >Subjective notions aside, maybe it wasn't in Wir(e)'s agenda to become a "kick >ass" rock band. Aye, maybe 'kiss ass (arse)' isn't the best phrase, but thinking about this, I was surprised to realise that I consider a middle period song to be their most powerful, namely "An Advantage in Height"...a song that never fails to make me feel 10ft tall, and was very useful when I came to buy new hi-fi. The bassline is absolutely fantastic, as is that guitar that goes "ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner-ner" Musical eloquence is not my forte....I'm a drummer......but you know what I mean...that song is so *tense* Steve. - -----Original Message----- From: Geoffry To: uri.b@virgin.net Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org ; flaherty michael w Date: 16 January 1999 20:58 Subject: Re: big black >> >> >> Not as far as I'm concerned having always struggled a little with the >> inability of 'techno' to deliver 'powerful' songs > >geoffry. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #16 ******************************