From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V2 #15 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, January 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ideal copy-digest V2 #12 [kevin eden ] trio [Martin theBernd Schmeil ] Re: big black [flaherty michael w ] Re: big black ["Steve Jackson" ] Re: big black [flaherty michael w ] Re: oh no............... [auteur@ix.netcom.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: ideal copy-digest V2 #12 Further to Charles' mail of 13th January, I would like to add my own 'two penneth' if I can. When WMO started we had already identified a number of releases that were 'ready to go'. i.e Desmonds, Pacific/Specific, Turns and Strokes. Others, although penned in needed some work. The label was set up to run in conjuction with Wire Mail Order and the Newsletter in that what we offered was totally legitimate product, news and information. Everything was agreed up front with all Wire members. Since then all WMO releases have been put out with a very strict quality control. Bruce, Colin and Graham are informed every step of the way. Have complete control over the contents, visuals etc. The only two exceptions are 'Whore' and Dugga' - more later. As time has gone on since we started a number of other releases have fallen across our path. These Records were going to release P'o and O'Shea, but relinquished these to us (thankfully). The Haring2 and gilbertpossstenger have recently been targeted for release; the former allowing Bruce to continue a side-step from his usual output, the latter originally due from Blast First but now shelved. As for Whore and Dugga. My spin was that whore was Charles' fault! When originally proposed my mind reeled at a 'Wire tribute'. But then we took the stance that it wasn't therefore the 'Various Artists Play...' tag. We also asked the artists to not specifically copy the originals but treat them as one of their onw songs. Some did, some didn't. You pays your money. After Whore was released and we saw both the critical and personal satisfaction from this we decided on Dugga. We can blame Bruce: 'There can never be enough Drill's in the world'. We took him at literally. I personally am overjoyed by the way it turned out and with the way Mark Gage pieced into a cohesive whole. Every artist Charles and I have spoken to has been more than pleased with the outcome. Anyway, no one ever said running WMO would be easy. Charles and I put in many hours trying to keep it going - all unpaid - and I think, despite all the ups and downs, lack of finance, distribution problems etc etc, we are still here, still sane (just about) and still excited by each new release as when we first had Desmonds in our hands. As much as we would like to release obscure live Wire concerts (there are some mixing desk tapes from 70's and 80's concerts in the WMO archive) Wire themselves have vetoed this. And whilst the sound quality is very good the performances vary from Ok to downright scrappy. But that's Wire for you. And to echo Graham, 'the definitive version of each song is on the studio albums' So enough - I hope both this and Charles' comments clarify exactly waht our position is. Keep the comments, criticisms etc coming. kevin/wmo _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:19:51 +0100 From: Martin theBernd Schmeil Subject: trio hey, trio weren't that bad. i did like some of their stuff and when they where played in the radio / tv it was much better than most of the rest (except for burkhard rausch and john peel shows). didn't heard wire on the radio for a while, the last time it might have been in a "the best pop songs of all time"-special (outdoor miner of course) and (exactly the opposite: the worst popsong*/** ever) kidney bingoes on the tv show live aus dem schlachthof (which is on uri's video). - - tB! *) ok, skinhead o connors nothing compares to you (for example) is much worse **) the worst wir(e?) track *IMO* is so and slow or whatever it is called (i just know it from the uri video). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:41:59 -0600 (CST) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: big black On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 dieter.loos@ubs.com wrote: > looks like most of you are into the "techno" side of wire. > what about the guitar drone side. This is the side I like best, but, judging by the posts of the past year, I think we're in a minority--which is fine w/ me. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:20:08 -0000 From: "Steve Jackson" Subject: Re: big black No....I'm more into the guitar stuff as well. - -----Original Message----- From: flaherty michael w To: dieter.loos@ubs.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: 15 January 1999 18:44 Subject: Re: big black >On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 dieter.loos@ubs.com wrote: > >> looks like most of you are into the "techno" side of wire. >> what about the guitar drone side. > >This is the side I like best, but, judging by the posts of the past year, >I think we're in a minority--which is fine w/ me. > >Michael Flaherty > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:11:08 -0600 (CST) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: big black On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Steve Jackson wrote: > No....I'm more into the guitar stuff as well. To clarify, there are plenty of list members who prefer the guitar stuff, but, based on the amount of positive posts regarding the techno material and the amount of negative responses to Bruce (solo), I would guess, perhaps incorrectly, that we're in a minority. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 17:10:25 -0500 From: auteur@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: oh no............... > a lot of people in the uk are trying desperately to have an 80's >revival , sadly they are reviving much which never had much sign of >life in the first place A quote from Colin in an NME several years back: "Revivalism is cabaret." Amen. Eric ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V2 #15 ******************************