From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #189 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, December 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 189 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Frd from [mailto:paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: Frd from [mailto:paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] ["Miles Goosens" ] solo output [professor ned ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:45:14 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: Frd from [mailto:paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] I have volunteered to forward mail from a fellow subscriber who is having difficulty getting mail to idealcopy. Here is his first submission. It might be a bit confusing as it seems we are both called Paul! Anyway, here goes. From [mailto:paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se ] hi there wireworld , finally found someone to post messages up for me so i can introduce myself. i've been into wire since punk days but never got to see them until 1988 (london astoria). since then i saw the bristol gig on the manscape tour and the wir "i saw you" 93 gig (clapham grand). all great , bristol was best. with a gun to my head i'd vote for 154 but i like a lot of the electro-wire stuff as well. anyway , as its xmas i thought i'd better nominate my top five turkeys ; 1. bruce ; bi yo yo handily this comes wrapped in bacofoil to keep up the festive theme 2. g&l ; kubla capol wake me up when its over 3. lewis ; a panamanian craze must have gone down great live............ 4. after midnight 5. blue jay way not all covers work , do they any better suggestions? keep rollin' on. paul Paul K Wilson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Brammer Subject: Swim Appeal . < Any comparision with Wire (or indeed Bruce or Graham's new stuff to Dome or Colin's Swim~ stuff to the Beggar's releases) is futile.> Are you speaking strictly of Colin's Solo Releases on Swim? Or All Swim releases? I think Plastic Venus (very good) and Oracle (not all good, but enough to make me buy it again) would appeal to Wire fans who lean towards pop music. I haven't checked the swim page lately...I hope Colin finds it in his heart to switch to real audio samples. AIFF's, though fairly universal (even to platforms that haven't seen much development lately, like the Amiga or the Atari) is s-l-o-w. Just Rambling, Robert. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:36:07 -0700 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Frd from [mailto:paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se] On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:45:14 Wilson, Paul wrote: >I have volunteered to forward mail from a fellow subscriber who is having >difficulty getting mail to idealcopy. I'm having difficulty figuring out why this should be the case, as Paul R. is subscribed to the list and I haven't received any bounced list mail over the last couple of weeks. Is anyone else having trouble posting? If so, write *me* off-list, and I'll see if there's a reason behind it all. later, listowner Miles /====================================================================\ | Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com | | http://www.rsteviemoore.com outdoorminer@zdnetmail.com | | http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer | | | | "Why everything has to get in the way all the time I don't know." | | -- Janet Ingraham Dwyer | \====================================================================/ Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.zdnetmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:11:34 +0100 From: paul.rabjohn@tunnplat.ssab.se Subject: test i'm trying this out to see if it'll let me in ; i've had troubles................... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:36:05 -0700 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Fwd from DMcKenzie@NFA.Futures.Org Speaking of bounces, here's a newly arrived one now! Replies to DMcKenzie@NFA.Futures.Org, please... later, listowner Miles =============== Subj: various ramblings of late The list rises again I find the wide variance of opinions of wir(e) and offshoot projects' merits fairly stimulating It points up possibly my favorite characteristic of mssrs gilbert, gotobed, lewis and newman Their utter lack of constance or predictability as a quick reply to a few recent comments... turns and stokes seems to me to be the companion piece to document and eyewitness the audio quality is not the principle feature here i think of it as the antithesis fo the manheim steamroller if you will oracle/immersion bothe just dandy by me blue jay way - i had forgotten colin ever recorded a cover :) tune this was the first song i heard off Not To when it was released I thought it quite nifty at the time, tho evidently it does not stick to the ribs to quite the same degree as say, Lorries.... It IS curious to me that Graham gets so little mention +/- in this list as he is possibly the most prolific in post wire (personal) output. At very least he is far from silent, but this list tends to focus on Colin and Bruce's solo outout more.Why is that? David - --- /====================================================================\ | Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com | | http://www.rsteviemoore.com outdoorminer@zdnetmail.com | | http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer | | | | "Why everything has to get in the way all the time I don't know." | | -- Janet Ingraham Dwyer | \====================================================================/ Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.zdnetmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Grannell Subject: Re: at the risk of ... - ---Robert Brammer wrote: > > . < Any comparision with Wire (or indeed Bruce or Graham's new stuff to Dome > or Colin's Swim~ stuff to the Beggar's releases) is futile.> > Are you speaking strictly of Colin's Solo Releases on Swim? > Or All Swim releases? > Colin's work in general. ie: Oracle, Immersion, CN, MS The styles are often so disparate that a comparison is sometimes irrelevent or at best very difficult. Also, the recent stuff seems to be getting a lot of stick due to its lack of "real" instruments and vocals. At least it highlights Colin's refusal to stay stuck in one place and his determination to move on to new things. Of course, this is just as relevant to the rest of the band. HALO was sometimes like an up to date He Said but HSO is very different from almost all of Graham's other work and the best thing he's done to date. At least I think it is ... > I think Plastic Venus (very good) and Oracle (not all good, but enough > to make me buy it again) would appeal to Wire fans who lean towards > pop music. > I have problems with PV but I'd agree that it's 'band' format might give it a wider audience. I don't know about Oracle though, it's kind of like a weaker Bastard with singing at times. Still worthwhile but better releases have followed. I reckon My Pet Fish would be the one most likely to please Wire pop fans. Many of the tracks are arranged in a 'band' format but the release retains the freshness and energetic edge of Bastard et al. Also, Silo's Instar will definitely appeal to pop (or, more accurately, rock) fans. > I haven't checked the swim page lately...I hope Colin finds it in his > heart to switch to real audio samples. AIFF's, though fairly universal > (even to platforms that haven't seen much development lately, like the > Amiga or the Atari) is s-l-o-w. I think RA is a pretty awful standard - it sounds terrible but it is quite fast. Of course, MP3's would be nice, although less so for Brits who don't get free local calls!! Craig. == - ---------------------------- Craig Grannell-------------- www: SNUB.COMMUNICATIONS - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk Wireviews - http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk/wirehome.html - ---------------------------- cngrannell@yahoo.com ------- "Creativity is the highest civilising faculty - Ben Okri" - --------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:26:25 +0100 From: professor ned Subject: solo output David wrote: >It IS curious to me that Graham gets so little mention +/- in this list >as he is possibly the most prolific in post wire (personal) output. Hmm. As most people have probably gathered by now, I don't care one bit for the vast majority of Bruce's solo output, or Colin's recent, or Robert's...oh wait. ;-) I find Graham's solo work to be some of the greatest material out there, but I don't think it's safe to say that he is 'possibly the most prolific in post-wire output'. Bruce has prolly got him beat there...what, three or four records in the early '80s ("Shivering Man"-era), plus the last lot of noise material for Mute ("Ab Ovo" etc.), plus collabs and such... Colin's shoved out his fair shair of material as well: 5 solo releases plus whatever he's done with Malka for ~Swim. For Graham we've got He Said (x2), HSO (x1 1/2), H.A.L.O. and...? Not that those aren't all genius or anything. Pre>He as well I suppose. But you add up these numbers, and Graham is certainly far from the most prolific of the trio. I'd have no problems if he was more prolific, but hey. Interestingly enough, despite my general distaste for solo Bruce, in combination with Graham I find them a nearly unstoppable force (cf. Dome, apparently P'o, Duet Emmo, and the earth-shattering 3R4)... Speaking of collabs, has anyone heard the Gilbert and West "Frequency Variation" 12" out on Sähkö? I'm a bit of a Sähkö whore so... >At very least he is far from silent, but this list tends to focus on >Colin and Bruce's solo outout more.Why is that? Hey yeah, all you new-electronica-~Swim people, what do you make of Graham's output? I could wax eloquent for hours about the various and wonderful qualities of "Immanent" for example... Bonn out. - -ned "My decibels are most fly." http://www.gestalt-media.com/stromkern ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #189 *******************************