From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #178 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, December 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Strangeways Here We Is ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] Re: Personal Bottom Ten (ish) ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] Re: Strangeways Here We Is [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:03:45 -0500 (EST) From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: Strangeways Here We Is > > Well said! > > > > How much $$ have I wasted on awful Mark Burgess (former Chameleon) > > incarnations, or in just *attempting* to keep up with the > album-a-month-band > > Stereolab? > > > > Anne > > > Exactly! We shouldn't be fans of particular groups, we should be fans of > songs or albums. It's fantastic the way I listen to Ministry's "Psalm 69" - -- > I could care less about the group but I'm a huuuge fan of that album! That's > the way it should be. I pretty much listen to Autechre and Aphex Twin > everyday but I haven't gotten all stupid about it - I haven't gone out and > bought that awful "Selected Ambient Works" stuff - it's crap! Why should I > listen to Wire that way? The idea of being a completist is something that > only my teenage mind could've come up with. That's how I got sucked into U2, > Morrissey, the Pixies and Wire. Wire have lasted the longest of them all for > me. U2 died an almost complete death. I never stopped listening to the > Pixies and I think the Smiths (compared to a lot of the other 80s indie > groups) were melodically superior. > > BUT I'm not sure if I completely regret being a completist for these bands. > There's a kind of experience you get from investigating things in detail that > you can't get otherwise. Regardless of how I feel about my old favourites > now, they've added to my musical experience in some way. But of course, some > experiences are cheaper than others and I don't think it's practical to keep > pouring money into something that isn't providing an adequate return. > Spending $25 on an Autechre release is worthwhile because chances are I'm > getting real quality. I'm not sure if I've been getting that with all the > Wire related stuff. > > Anybody else with thoughts on the matter? > > Personally I don't think there's really any need to buy more than one Merzbow or Stereolab album: it's really just the same joke being told over and over again... > > > > > I'm starting to think this whole business of being a completist is > > > nonsense. I got rid of my old U2 and > > > Morrissey stuff and now I'm starting to think that I should get going > with > > > the bad Wire stuff. Why listen to music because of who's involved? I > > > should only listen to something if it SOUNDS good. Sound. That's it. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:14:03 -0500 (EST) From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: Re: Personal Bottom Ten (ish) On Dec 9, 9:58am, Bunny Smedley wrote: > Subject: Re: Personal Bottom Ten (ish) > >Top ten lists are always difficult so I thought it would be funnier and more > >interesting to do a Bottom Ten list - compact discs from my Wire collection > >that I really don't listen to all that much. > > > >In no particular order. > > > >Bruce Gilbert "In Esse" > >Wire "In Every City?" promo cd > >Wire "Manscape" > >Desmond Simmons "Alone on Penguin Island" > >He Said "Take Care" > >Colin Newman "A-Z" > >Colin Newman "It Seems" > >Wire "Pink Flag" > >Wire "154" > >Wire "Peel Sessions" > > Well: Manscape, Penguin Island, Pink Flag and 154 are on my 'very frequent > listening' list. Penguin Island is a genius album, in particular. If you > take out Pink Flag and 154, there's not much left of 'old Wire'. > My favourites from old Wire are Chairs and the god-like Document and Eyewitness - the best live album ever! It's got life! RE: Bottom Ten Of course these things are totally personal and have a lot to do with one's preferences for particular sounds and musical flavours. The thing I always noticed was the difference between the stuff I'd buy because it sounded good and the stuff that I bought merely out of curiosity. I'm trying to be practical. If stuff just sits there then it's useless. I remember reading some quote from John Lennon where he talks about music as furniture and the difference between a chair that you can just appreciate and music you can actually sit on. I want to be able to sit on all of the CDs in my collection. Am I making any sense here? ibrahim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:03:26 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Strangeways Here We Is On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, IBRAHIM BOZAI wrote: > > > Personally I don't think there's really any need to buy more than one Merzbow > or Stereolab album: it's really just the same joke being told over and over > again... That may have been true (underline "may") of the first few Stereolab albums, but since then they've been steadily changing and evolving: each album since _Transient Random Noise-Bursts with Announcements_ has been quite distinct from its predecessor. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #178 *******************************