From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #150 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: german shepherds ["Trevor Dutton" ] Re: german shepherds [Craig Grannell ] Re: german shepherds [professor ned ] Re: D3 ["Mack" ] Re: german shepherds [Geoffry ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:18:16 +0000 From: "Trevor Dutton" Subject: Re: german shepherds (this is a re-send as I did not see it the first time, apologies if some of you already received it - this thread has gone now I'm afraid but I am determined to sort out how to post again! - I think it was rejected because I accidentally included the full digest - oops) I also recently obtained Coatings and was interested in the so-called definitive version of German Shepherds. I cannot concur - the lyric isn't even the same, never mind the mix or anything more subjective. It seems to have been cleaned up for the radio with the line "I saw a drunk old lady pissing in a bin" changed to spitting which makes a nonsense of the following line "it was far too high she couldn't stop". Trevor Ove Arup & Partners ATG Coventry trevor.dutton@arup.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:02:12 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Grannell Subject: Re: german shepherds ((Trevor Dutton asked about the German Shepherd lyric change on the Peel LP.)) The reason for the change of lyric in the Peel session version of "German Shepherds" is that the words "Fuck" and "Piss" are not generally regarded as suitable for transmission over the BBC network. Hence the changes to "I saw an old lady spitting ... " and "I saw three dogs flying". I personally prefer "three dogs flying" - it creates a more bizarre image. One should also note that at the time Wire seemed to prefer the Peel version as they played (and sung) it that way at the live gigs most of the time ... C. == - ---------------------------- Craig Grannell-------------- Visit SNUB.COMMUNICATIONS at http://www.snub.dircon.co.uk Music, art, and the dancing tree. - ---------------------------- cngrannell@yahoo.com ------- "Creativity is the highest civilising faculty - Ben Okri" - --------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:19:15 +0100 From: professor ned Subject: Re: german shepherds Am Mit, 28 Oct 1998 um 11:18:16 +0000, Trevor Dutton schrieb: >I also recently obtained Coatings and was interested in the so-called >definitive version of German Shepherds. I cannot concur - the lyric isn't even >the same, never mind the mix or anything more subjective. I didn't really take issue with the changing of the lyrics, although I too noticed the change from 'piss' to 'spit'. The Peel Session sounded...thinner, somehow. Nothing against artists re-interpereting their work to get closer to what they are/were intending, but even before the Peel Sessions came out on Coatings, there was always talk of this 'definitive' version of "German Shepards", and I just don't see it, frankly. So, anyone heard P'o or DDD yet?? Can't find 'em over on this side o' the pond... - -ned "I could really chill out in New York." -Mick Harris http://www.gestalt-media.com/stromkern/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:42:31 -0600 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: D3 >So, anyone heard P'o or DDD yet?? Can't find 'em over on this side o' the >pond... Both arrived in the mail a couple days ago. P'o is wonderful as the vinyl and the version of 'Only One I' is worth the price of admission for archivists, as is the photo Charles enclosed. Still waiting for Michael O'Shea (Charles ? :) DuggaDuggaDugga is an interesting listen - I have always marvelled that one of my least favorite tunes from the later period of Wire could be so strong as to have an entire album devoted to it - and now ... another. That said, the first Drill album proved that the possibilities were broad, and the cover album does little to expand the concept. The material is almost uniformly electro (which makes the Mark Gage transitions very fitting) . I kind of wish there had been a tad more variety in the approaches. That said, my favorites are the Chris and Cosey and League of Green Men takes and of course the Ex-Lion Tamers. D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:06:44 -0500 From: Geoffry Subject: Re: german shepherds professor ned wrote: > Am Mit, 28 Oct 1998 um 11:18:16 +0000, Trevor Dutton > schrieb: > > >I also recently obtained Coatings and was interested in the so-called > >definitive version of German Shepherds. I cannot concur - the lyric > isn't even > >the same, never mind the mix or anything more subjective. > > I didn't really take issue with the changing of the lyrics, although I too > noticed the change from 'piss' to 'spit'. The Peel Session sounded...thinner, > somehow. Nothing against artists re-interpereting their work to get > closer to what they are/were intending, but even before the Peel Sessions > came out on Coatings, there was always talk of this 'definitive' version > of "German Shepards", and I just don't see it, frankly. > whilst on the topic of version 'x' vrs. version 'y', does anyone agree that the 'serious of snakes' cut on snakedrill doesn't hold a candle to the alternate mix on coatings?? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #150 *******************************