From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #116 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, August 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #115 ["charles / wmo" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #115 [] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #115 ["Steve Jackson" ] Re: German Shep [CaptApe@aol.com] Re: German Shep [Creaig Dunton ] Re: German Shep ["Steve Jackson" ] FW: IBTABA and Bell etc... [Chad Wilson ] re: A Bell is a Cup ["Jack Steinmann" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:39:53 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #115 >the production on IDEAL COPY and A BELL.. are somewhat lacking in ... I'll agree with BELL, but not IDEAL COPY. BELL is too slick, I think that's the word. Ideal is fresh, and still is though I'll take side one of Serious of Snakes over everything. What about IBTABA? This is one of the more diverse things they did. >I know it's not technically a "mix" but who would agree that the version of >"German Shepherds" on IBTABA is better than the version on the SSP micro-CD? The one on Coatings, from the BBC session, is probably the best thing Wire did in the entire decade. For the record, I haven't met a Brit that wasn't a huge Velvets fan. Personally, I can't listen to them at all, ever! charles - -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: June 29, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ***new mailing address*** Wire Mail Order PO Box 29133 Los Angeles, CA 90029-0133 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 98 11:58:04 -0400 From: Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #115 >What about IBTABA? This is one of the more >diverse things they did. Absolutely! The reworking of the songs and the production on this are top-notch! >For the record, I haven't met a Brit that wasn't a huge Velvets fan. >Personally, I can't listen to them at all, ever! Hmm....is it the music or Lou's voice? The only stuff I really don't care for by them are the songs off the first album that Nico sings (unless you're into that cold robotic monotone that makes the word "clown" sound like "clonn") :) Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:12:49 +0100 From: "Steve Jackson" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #115 >Hmm....is it the music or Lou's voice? The only stuff I really don't care >for by them are the songs off the first album that Nico sings (unless >you're into that cold robotic monotone that makes the word "clown" sound >like "clonn") :) Useless fact..Nico is buried about 10 miles from where I live. (not that this fact makes the Velvets records any better) Personally, despite my comments re "What Goes On" ,I think VU are over-rated, but I genuinely think their 3rd album is a classic (and I love the cheesy guitar solo on "Rock and Roll" off "Loaded" - -----Original Message----- From: auteur@ix.netcom.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: 30 August 1998 16:58 Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #115 >>What about IBTABA? This is one of the more >>diverse things they did. > >Absolutely! The reworking of the songs and the production on this are >top-notch! > >>For the record, I haven't met a Brit that wasn't a huge Velvets fan. >>Personally, I can't listen to them at all, ever! > > >Eric >auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:09:35 EDT From: CaptApe@aol.com Subject: Re: German Shep Steve Jackson sez: > I know it's not technically a "mix" but who would agree that the version of > "German Shepherds" on IBTABA is better than the version on the SSP micro- CD? Now, I've only heard the SSP version maybe ten times, because I don't own it, but the IBTABA version is probably my second favorite 'new' Wire song, right after Ahead. The chanting-type sampling that bleeds into the chord progressions gives me the chills everytime. There is also another sample that sounds like children singing in unison, towards the end where he actually says the phrase 'it's beginning to and back again,' that is masterfully placed, in my opinion. In fact, I want some chills right now, I'm going to go pop that one on... Tony ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:18:59 -0400 From: Creaig Dunton Subject: Re: German Shep CaptApe@aol.com wrote: > Now, I've only heard the SSP version maybe ten times, because I don't own it, > but the IBTABA version is probably my second favorite 'new' Wire song, right > after Ahead. The chanting-type sampling that bleeds into the chord > progressions gives me the chills everytime. There is also another sample that > sounds like children singing in unison, towards the end where he actually says > the phrase 'it's beginning to and back again,' that is masterfully placed, in > my opinion. In fact, I want some chills right now, I'm going to go pop that > one on... > Tony I've always wondered on this subject, how does the SSP version compare to the BBC version that's on Coatings? The Coatings version is one of my all time favorite post-154 Wire tracks (with Kidney Bingos and Eardrum Buzz), and while I like the IBTABA version, I just don't think it compares too well. So is the SSP version good enough to warrant a purchase of that single? Gracias, - -- Creaig D/Thurston Jenkins http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> 2nd Floor Mafia Productions http://2fmp.hypermart.net/mypage/ -> My Page http://fpc.hypermart.net -> False Prophet Campaign ICQ: 5417270 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:51:40 +0100 From: "Steve Jackson" Subject: Re: German Shep >CaptApe@aol.com wrote: So is the SSP version >good enough to warrant a purchase of that single? I'd say so, if only for the excellent version of "Come Back in Two Halves" (on than point Colin ,I think, said that the song didn't refer to Wire's reformation- I'd like to think it did, because of the references to "history" and because it supports my crappy theory about Wire having two musical wings i.e. Colin (and Rob?) v. Bruce and Graham. On a diff subject. Just seen new film "Lock, stock and double smoking barrels" It's good. Steve - -----Original Message----- From: Creaig Dunton To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: 30 August 1998 22:23 Subject: Re: German Shep > > > >> Now, I've only heard the SSP version maybe ten times, because I don't own it, >> but the IBTABA version is probably my second favorite 'new' Wire song, right >> after Ahead. The chanting-type sampling that bleeds into the chord >> progressions gives me the chills everytime. There is also another sample that >> sounds like children singing in unison, towards the end where he actually says >> the phrase 'it's beginning to and back again,' that is masterfully placed, in >> my opinion. In fact, I want some chills right now, I'm going to go pop that >> one on... >> Tony > >I've always wondered on this subject, how does the SSP version compare to the BBC >version that's on Coatings? The Coatings version is one of my all time favorite >post-154 Wire tracks (with Kidney Bingos and Eardrum Buzz), and while I like the >IBTABA version, I just don't think it compares too well. >Gracias, > >-- >Creaig D/Thurston Jenkins >http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> 2nd Floor Mafia Productions >http://2fmp.hypermart.net/mypage/ -> My Page >http://fpc.hypermart.net -> False Prophet Campaign >ICQ: 5417270 > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:56:08 -0700 From: Chad Wilson Subject: FW: IBTABA and Bell etc... The SSP single of German Shepherds was the first version of that song I ever heard, and is to this day my favorite version of the song, however the IBTABA version is probably "produced" better. On the subject of BELL having an "80's" sound I don't think this is a bad thing really. I like the fact that Bell sounds like it was cut from the same slab as it were. Unlike IBTABA and Ideal copy which meander around too much (But are still awesome, just not when you compare them to Bell...). To me, IBTABA is not an ALBUM, its a collection like Coatings... I heard most of the songs off of various singles long before IBTABA was released. Anyway, later! Chad - -----Original Message----- From: Creaig Dunton [SMTP:pdaddy@sprynet.com] Sent: Sunday, August 30, 1998 2:19 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: German Shep CaptApe@aol.com wrote: > Now, I've only heard the SSP version maybe ten times, because I don't own it, > but the IBTABA version is probably my second favorite 'new' Wire song, right > after Ahead. The chanting-type sampling that bleeds into the chord > progressions gives me the chills everytime. There is also another sample that > sounds like children singing in unison, towards the end where he actually says > the phrase 'it's beginning to and back again,' that is masterfully placed, in > my opinion. In fact, I want some chills right now, I'm going to go pop that > one on... > Tony I've always wondered on this subject, how does the SSP version compare to the BBC version that's on Coatings? The Coatings version is one of my all time favorite post-154 Wire tracks (with Kidney Bingos and Eardrum Buzz), and while I like the IBTABA version, I just don't think it compares too well. So is the SSP version good enough to warrant a purchase of that single? Gracias, ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 98 01:52:54 -0500 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: A Bell is a Cup Reply to: re: A Bell is a Cup I followed Wire intently since Pink Flag, I think '154' and 'Ideal Copy' are terrific albums, but my favorite remains A Bell is a Cup. I'm indifferent to Kidney Bingoes (better live anyway), but Silk Skin Paws is a frankly stirring, gorgeous, shimmering anti-anthem, worth the price of the album alone, and Boiling Boy is one of the finest recorded examples of Wire's *ensemble* work ever (like Joy Division's Dead Souls). Yes, the album's tone is softer, or more contemplative, or whatever, but the songs have no more 'sameness' than those of (say) Chairs Missing. "I place the blame on anyone standing before... me" is the lyric permanently imprinted on me. Dome? I loved Dome. I had Rolling Upon My Day read at my wedding. Jack Steinmann Miles Goosens wrote, in part: >the slow-burn maelstrom of "The Boiling Boy"... well, all of these things >sound incredibly dynamic, deep, and remarkably spatial... > >Much of the album is of a kind, as you suggest... > >is anyone else incredibly affected by the chorus of "Free-Falling Divisions"? > ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #116 *******************************