From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #96 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, July 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Wire vs. Sexuality [Stephen Harper ] Re:Vaporspace Remix 12" ["charles / wmo" ] Re: Wire vs. Sexuality [] Re: Wire vs. Sexuality [#rciscon ] Illuminated and Others [] Re: Wire and women, significant others and music ["Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:58:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Harper Subject: Re: Wire vs. Sexuality - ---charles / wmo wrote: > > There's been some talk about Wire, sex and Girlfirends lately so at the risk of being very un-pc, I'd like to throw this out to the list I've thought for some time that this list is too PC; I don't think anyone should deliberately offend, but it would be nice not always to feel compelled to add "in my view", or "just my opinion" to everything one writes. > I'd say that Wire has a primarily heterosexual fan base. The press often aludes to the fact that Wire were a "lad's band", which although I do have some very good gay friends that are Wire fans, I've found for the most part to be very un-true. About 5 years ago I was playing "A Serious of Snakes" in the company of a gay friend. After hearing "baby kills Mary and Joseph" he labelled it "lad" music (although he'd love any opportunity to call me a lad). I don't think he was referring so much to sounds or words as to accent. One thing that the Americans perhaps aren't so keenly aware of is the die-hard prejudices of some of us Brits against certain accents. Where I live (Glasgow, Scotland) London accents are often viewed with some distaste (although I like them a lot). The drawl on "A Serious" is especially pronounced! I also think that this accent is toned down (losing what linguists used to call "grosser provincialisms") as time goes on. On Manscape and First Letter it's (a little) harder to place Wire geographically. Stephen == If a great man could make us understand him, we should hang him - George Bernard Shaw _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:38:31 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re:Vaporspace Remix 12" >appreciated. Also, information on a source for the Vaporspace Remix album >(3 lps), which includes a Swim~ remix, would be equally appreciated, too. With the Ronnie & Clyde and Immersion remixes, can be ordered directly from http://www.vapourspace.com/ charles -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: June 29, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 17:41:24 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Wire vs. Sexuality >I've thought for some time that this list is too PC; I don't think >anyone should deliberately offend, but it would be nice not always to >feel compelled to add "in my view", or "just my opinion" to everything >one writes. You'd be surprised how quickly this list would degenerate into immature bashing if people stopped using these common courtesies. I don't think this has anything to do with political correctness, but rather simple politeness (which there is far too little of nowadays!) Intelligence and courtesy are few and far between, and the more they're utilized the better (IMO!) :) When someone starts stating their beliefs as empirical fact and not as mere opinions, the flood gates open for harsh debate and insults: i.e. "X album by X band sucks". I think it's good to avoid entrapment with a little modesty. Just my thoughts (heehee), Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 17:26:04 -0500 From: #rciscon Subject: Re: Wire vs. Sexuality >A.B.C. Dicks Love ? >homage to a paper company or what? > > Actually I remember in High School, working on an A.B. Dick printing press..... any connection? Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 22:29:54 -0400 From: Subject: Illuminated and Others I was listening to some Wire vinyl the other day and was amazed at how well the song "Illuminated" has held up (the studio version on the B-side to "InVivo", not the one off of IBTABA) I hadn't listened to it in a while and was knocked out! It definitely deserves to be heard at full volume in a spacious hall. It seems so out of place with all of the poppy stuff they were releasing at the time. (Bruce must have been in charge on that piece!) And referencing the old topic of discussion regarding vinyl vs. cd....well, Wire's 12" singles sound much "warmer" and fuller than the CD's (at least in my apartment!) Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:58:04 -0400 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" Subject: Re: Wire and women, significant others and music > > At the risk of repeating myself: When I met my husband, it was on irc, > and I was using a gender-neutral screen name. We talked for two weeks > before he asked my name and was surprised to find I was female -- he > never knew of any women who liked Wire, and "didn't think it was > possible." Damn -- you're married! > As for dealing with significant others with differing musical taste, > my husband and I have an agreement -- if we can't immediately find > something we both want to listen to, one of us selects a cd from the > other's collection. While our collections overlap, they're not > identical, so it makes for some interesting choices. Until recently I lived with my roommate and his wife (she moved in later, so she doesn't get full "roommate" status). She owned the first Violent Femmes album, and he bought one of his own. Because, *he* didn't have one, as he said. (Also, I had one, and I happen to have the CD collection of a friend who is currently without a CD player, and he had one -- making 4 in the household.) So to get to the point of this all, do you and your husband buy the same CDs, if you both want them, or can you get by on just one copy? Do most of your overlapping CDs date from prior to your marriage? Lee ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #96 ******************************