From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #91 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Wire Haiku. [Mike Edwards ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #90 ["charles / wmo" ] Re: eno & wire -Reply [flaherty michael w ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 07:53:34 +0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Wire Haiku. Ax guitar chopping chopping humbert humbert noise then stopping again (Currently going through a haiku phase) Mike Edwards ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 07:27:32 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #90 >Personally, I prefer the embellishments >placed on the final studio versions of the songs that appear on "Behind >the Curtain". I very much enjoy their live performances also, but the >"live-in-the-studio" versions just seem somewhat lackluster (to me). I agree here. Probably because Wire were not such a good live band. Another album to listen to before putting on 154 is Diamond Head by Phil Manzanera. charles - -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: June 29, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:12:19 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: eno & wire -Reply On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Trevor Dutton wrote: > Thanks to those of you who have already commented on the links > between Wire circa 154 and Eno. I am intrigued about what might > have been if this had happened - so many of my favourite bands > seemed to reach their zenith when collaborating with Eno (although > the relationship seems to become awkward after a couple of releases > - perhaps his influence is too overwhelming after a while). Eno is easily bored. He's also very controlling. This has led to resentment from the Heads (ie everyone but David) and arguments with Bowie (Eno has publicly criticised Lodger). It's also led to some great successes. > Having said that I consider 154 to be Wire's best anyway and would > be tempted to join the lavish praise of some suggesting that it is one > of the all time greats. In my all-time top 10--at least. > Could it have been even better with Eno at the helm? We will never know. It would have been different. Did he in fact > have a covert influence? Some (e.g., the Trouser Press review) > suggest that Mike Thorne was responsible for much of the texture, > instrumentation - and the sleeve notes from Behind the Curtain > claim a preference for the rawer versions on that collection - is there a > suggestion that Mike Thorne interfered with the pure Wire? I cannot > accept that the boys in the band just sat back and let this happen? Well, what they did right afterwords (A-Z, and especially Dome) sounds more like a step past 154, not back to Pink Flag. But that Mike became a 5th member is probably true. Eno would have too. If a band doesn't want the influences of these types of producers it shouldn't hire them. Obviously, I think Thorne did a wonderful job. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #91 ******************************