From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #90 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- eno & wire -Reply ["Trevor Dutton" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #89 ["charles / wmo" ] Re: eno & wire [] Re: eno & wire -Reply [] In Esse Wakes Up the Neighbors [] Re: Eno & Wire [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:17:50 +0100 From: "Trevor Dutton" Subject: eno & wire -Reply snip----------------------------------------------- I think the 154 story was that Wire wanted Eno to produce it. snip----------------------------------------------- Thanks to those of you who have already commented on the links between Wire circa 154 and Eno. I am intrigued about what might have been if this had happened - so many of my favourite bands seemed to reach their zenith when collaborating with Eno (although the relationship seems to become awkward after a couple of releases - - perhaps his influence is too overwhelming after a while). Having said that I consider 154 to be Wire's best anyway and would be tempted to join the lavish praise of some suggesting that it is one of the all time greats. It took me many listens to become able to fully appreciate it (coming via Map Ref on the wonderful Wire Play Pop) but now I cannot get enough. Musings: Could it have been even better with Eno at the helm? Did he in fact have a covert influence? Some (e.g., the Trouser Press review) suggest that Mike Thorne was responsible for much of the texture, instrumentation - and the sleeve notes from Behind the Curtain claim a preference for the rawer versions on that collection - is there a suggestion that Mike Thorne interfered with the pure Wire? I cannot accept that the boys in the band just sat back and let this happen? Trevor Dutton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:53:31 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #89 >That's just my view. > > >Ibrahim Well, I'd like to be the first to welcome you back Ibrahim? Long time no write! charles/wmo - -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: June 29, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 00:15:56 -0400 From: Subject: Re: eno & wire If any of you seek further elaboration on the Eno-Wire connection, listen to Eno's "The True Wheel" off of his "Taking Tiger Mountain" album and then pop in "Map Ref" off of "154" immediately afterwards. See if you can't hear a massive nod to Eno in that song! Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 00:25:54 -0400 From: Subject: Re: eno & wire -Reply > is there a >suggestion that Mike Thorne interfered with the pure Wire? I cannot >accept that the boys in the band just sat back and let this happen? I don't really think so. Mike stated in an interview that Wire "threatened" to bring in Eno on keyboards if Mike himself didn't hop in to the position, so I believe they considered him to be an important factor in their recordings. Personally, I prefer the embellishments placed on the final studio versions of the songs that appear on "Behind the Curtain". I very much enjoy their live performances also, but the "live-in-the-studio" versions just seem somewhat lackluster (to me). Another banal post Another banana post Another anal barmy post Getting rather fruity here Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 00:34:24 -0400 From: Subject: In Esse Wakes Up the Neighbors I listen to "In Esse" every once in a while, and I find it is absolutely fabulous for competing with my upstairs neighbor's horribly annoying house remixes of "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" and the theme from "Titanic" (Aaaauuuuugggghhh...this music must die!!!)..not to mention the damn pound-pound-pound of his headboard that we have to hear almost every night!!! If Bruce doesn't do the trick, I've also tried Merzbow and.....hey, maybe I'll get out my wife's accordian. Yeah........ E auteur@ix.netcom.com (simulation of "Soli") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 00:40:50 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Eno & Wire >KS Eden, Wire's biographer, did his thesis on Brian Eno's music. How great is this?! Hmmm...I can trace the origins of the pentatonic scale in Western culture or I can write about the brilliant Brian Eno! Tough decision! HeeHee! Oh...sorry about all the posts..I guess I could've lumped them all together, huh? Cheers! Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #90 ******************************