From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #86 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #73 [dieter.loos@ubs.com] Beefheart, etc [dieter.loos@ubs.com] sounds like Wire? [dieter.loos@ubs.com] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #85 ["charles / wmo" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #85 ["Mack" ] collectors box [gerald.burnier@urbanet.ch] Re: collectors box ["Mack" ] Re: sounds like Wire? [CGerman@aol.com] Re: Spoon and Luna & Wire? ["Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:59:10 +0200 From: dieter.loos@ubs.com Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #73 - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="PUBLIC:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="PUBLIC:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> The guitar solo on "After The Flood" is simply wonderful! The >> best guitar ever recorded. I fully agree!! An other fave "guitar"-solo of mine is on "Voodoo Lady" by Ween on their "Chocolate & Cheese" album. I find it interesting to hear what other music Wire-fans are into. Does anybody know the "LATIN PLAYBOYS" ? My favourite album from the last few years. - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:41:37 +0200 From: dieter.loos@ubs.com Subject: Beefheart, etc - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="PUBLIC:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="PUBLIC:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes! "ice cream for crow" is my favourite beefheart album. and sure, if you were into wire around 1980 you couldnt ignore pere ubu. they also had their reunion as did wire and i liked them turning towards "rock music" - ---------- >Norbert/steve wrote: > >>While talking about dinosaur bands, does anybody out there dig CAPTAIN >BEEFHEART >>like I do? > >Yes! > >Speaking of which, any other Pere Ubu fans out there? > >Steve - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:54:31 +0200 From: dieter.loos@ubs.com Subject: sounds like Wire? - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="PUBLIC:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="PUBLIC:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "the passage" are another underrated contemporary of first-period-wire. most of all their "for all and none" album is somewhere between wire and the fall. - ---------- >> I'd be curious to hear other listmembers' opinions of bands that >>would be equated with Wire. Not necessarily _sound_ like them, but >>maybe that added with, say, bands that would be appropriate opening >>for Wire. Or Wire opening for. - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:44:04 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #85 >We all know about the Ex-Lion Tamers and the Whore CD but I wonder if any of >you have heard Die Kreuzen's cover of "Pink Flag" (track,not album)? It was >released on Touch&Go records in Chicago and its number is T&G#62. Oh, and >incidentally, it is an unmitigated and unadulterated bag of shite. (Dare I >say even worse than Wire's version) >Steve (probably about to be cast into the pit) Doubt that... The suprising thing about Wire covers is that they almost always are "bags of shite". All connection aside, Whore did offer some "different" covers, but with Andrew's Pre-Whore a) everyone covers the same songs and b) they're all, for the most part, very faithfull to the original. Boss Hog's 12XU is my fav, but they don't even credit Wire for the song! Found Dive's "Heartbeat" on CD. Credited to C.Newman. Better than Big Blacks'. charles (back in CA) - -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: June 29, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:07:40 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #85 >a) everyone covers the same songs and b) they're all, for the most part, very faithfull to the original. We covered Blessed State in a couple bands. 'Bag o shite'? Maybe - but GREAT audience response live and tons o fun to play I used to do Colin's guitar part after the droning A on keyboards with this weird twangy patch on my CZ1 which I was never able to recreate after accidentally restoring the factory presets in the middle of a show. Now we do it with 2 guitars (I have retired the keys for a while) and it IS sorta lame, but real easy for someone (like me) with a limited vocal range to 'sing' and still real fun d ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:44:02 +0000 From: gerald.burnier@urbanet.ch Subject: collectors box I've just seen a 3 CD's collectors box (Mute) on a mail order list. Does anyone know it? Is it worth ordering? Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:09:11 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: collectors box >I've just seen a 3 CD's collectors box (Mute) on a mail order list. >Does anyone know it? Is it worth ordering? is this the Document and Eywitness box with the CD3 maybe? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:10:59 EDT From: CGerman@aol.com Subject: Re: sounds like Wire? In a message dated 98-07-20 06:57:53 EDT, you write: << "the passage" are another underrated contemporary of first-period-wire. most of all their "for all and none" album is somewhere between wire and the fall. >> Back in the early to mid '80's, I thuoght I was the biggests "the passage" fan in the world! Which would'nt have been too hard, but since me and the other 10 people in the US never formed a fan club, I guess I'll never find out!!! :) What ever happened to Dick Witt, et al. ? I know the band lineup changed a bit over 3 albums, but I think that Dick was the man. I checked the current Cherry Red website but they don't even mention The Passage on their "glory days" page! And they were one of the best bands CR ever signed! I agree that sonically they were a bit like Wire, lyrically they had much more bite. the Passage would make direct verbal assaults on government, organised religion, sex, and social issues that Wire never really did. I still play my Passage records and consider them to be among the best in my collection, holding up to the light after all these years! Any cool info on the "where are they now" score would be appreciated! - Carl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:54:00 -0400 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick (Mr. Breeze)" Subject: Re: Spoon and Luna & Wire? > I have noticed some advertisements in some music magazines lately for the > band Spoon's new album, "A Series of Sneaks", which I obviously find to be > so close in title to "A Serious of Snakes"! Anyone know Spoon's music, and > if there's any Wire hommage in that title? I am not extremely familiar with Spoon, but the few songs I have heard sound very much like the Pixies (middle-to-late Pixies). My friend who is a big Pixies fan, and also has more familiarity with Spoon than I do, thinks that they are extremly Pixie-ish. I'm not sure if this is in a good way, or not; they use sounds on their albums that sound like the Pixies, but I'm not sure if they have duplicated the part that makes the Pixies good. Of course, you may think that anything that is highly imitative is not good, automatically. The Pixies on the other hand -- I was thinking that they have a lot of similarity to Wire, at least the early Wire. In both cases the songs are kind of noisy yet poppy, have non-standard elements, and are kind of "weird" with a humorous & playful aspect to them, while still being seemingly serious, at the core. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:24:35 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Sounds like Wire? >I'd be curious to hear other listmembers' opinions of bands that would be >equated with Wire. Not necessarily _sound_ like them, but maybe that, >added with, say, bands that would be appropriate opening for Wire... One band I remember as having been slightly Wire-ish was MX-80 Sound, who were on Ralph Records for a while during the Eighties. Their stuff had a bit of a trippy-psychedelic overtone to it, but they were from San Francisco, after all. I'm no expert on them, but IIRC they did a lot of instrumentals and seemed to have a fairly Wire-like appreciation for dissonance and unusual guitar noises. I could almost make a similar claim on behalf of another Ralph Records act, Tuxedomoon - though they used a lot of strings and woodwinds and that sort of thing, which you don't generally hear on a Wire record. Actually the biggest similarity there might be that their singer, Winston Tong, sounded a little like Graham, but that's just my opinion of course and should not be used as the basis for any cash wager. John H. Hedges ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #86 ******************************