From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #81 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 081 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Pere Ubu, etc ["Mack" ] Re: re: Pere Ubu, etc ["Jack Steinmann" ] REVIEW -- _In Esse_ ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] REVIEW - come to daddy ["IBRAHIM BOZAI" ] Pieta/Knight Rider ["Jim Mortleman" ] Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. ["Jim Mortleman" ] Re: Pieta/Knight Rider [Matthew Turner ] Re: Pieta/Knight Rider ["heileson@u.washington.edu" ] Fwd: help [idealcopy] [Gescom@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:18 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: Pere Ubu, etc >I would also say Television, who I consider one of the most >underapreciated bands ever. They were doing experimental post-punk things >before punk had really even started. A double bill with Television >and Wire ... is a nice dream. The Television reuinion was on of the hifh points of the 80's for me. Even tho the album and the show had maybe 50% of the fire of Marquee Moon and my only reference to Television M1 live, The BlowUp, both were more exciting than anything 'new' happening around that period (except perhaps Wir(e) M2) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 98 10:14:03 -0500 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: Re: re: Pere Ubu, etc Reply to: Re: re: Pere Ubu, etc And Buzzcocks. Let us not forget Another Music in a Different Kitchen. Jack Steinmann. On 7/14/98, Michael Flaherty wrote: First, let me add my voice to the Peru Ubu list. "Modern Dance" rates as one of my favorite albums. As has been mentioned before, Joy Division is an obvious choice. I would add Public Image Ltd.: John Lydon's (and the others) underappreciated follow-up to the Sex Pistols were right in the fore-front of post-punk w/ Wire and Joy Division. I would also say Television, who I consider one of the most underapreciated bands ever. They were doing experimental post-punk things before punk had really even started. A double bill with Television and Wire ... is a nice dream. On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, B. Coates wrote: > I'd be curious to hear other listmembers' opinions of bands that would be > equated with Wire. Not necessarily _sound_ like them, but maybe that, > added with, say, bands that would be appropriate opening for Wire. Or Wire > opening for. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:15:39 -0500 From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: REVIEW -- _In Esse_ BRUCE GILBERT _In Esse_ (Mute) Packaged as the sequel to 1996's _Ab Ovo_, Bruce Gilbert's latest release gives listeners a mere ten minutes of music for the price of 55. Beginning with 45 minutes of noises that fail to evolve into anything even remotely musical, track 1 entitled "Soli" features harsh, random sounds that reside somewhat neatly in the hi-mid-low continuum but without any particularly musical effect. Apart from annoying listeners, the only thing that this go-nowhere noisewank epic manages to do is prepare us for the wonderfully minimal tracks that follow. The two tracks are both drones: one organic, the other mechanical. The latter, "Bassi" sounds like the soundtrack to a toaster that takes just forever to pop up -- a clean, brittle sculpture that seems to end just nanoseconds before melting. "Muzi" is a wonderfully distilled guitar drone that, in another universe, could make frost form on any discman. It's a shame that 81.19% of the disc contains self-indulgent noise that any of us can do in an afternoon. Perhaps _In Esse_ would be worth buying if the last two tracks were turned into a CD single and priced accordingly. Ibrahim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:44:11 -0500 From: "IBRAHIM BOZAI" Subject: REVIEW - come to daddy APHEX TWIN _Come To Daddy_ (Warp) Can anyone resist Richard James' latest U.S. release? Catering to every emotion allowed in the irreverent, seemingly disposable world of Aphex Twin, "Come To Daddy" begins with the hilarious "Pappy Mix" which sounds like a wonderful send up of the Prodigy with Marilyn Manson-esqe screams thrown in to great effect. The laughs end abruptly with the innocent, childlike melody of "Flim" but like many Aphex releases, the true charm lies not so much in the little synth melodies (as pretty as they are) but in the superb programming as evidenced by the ridiculously complex, but no less catchy, "Bucephalus Bouncing Ball" which subjects listeners to only the finest in relentless drill n bass. Resorting to cheap pop strategies that cater to those with the shortest attention spans still makes the disc great for active listening -- showing us once again that playing with pop structures is indedd a valuable exercise because it seems that without conventions, there would be little to subvert and poke fun at. Like fellow techno scientists Squarepusher and Luke Vibert, Richard James continues to make the finest in 90s style pop music for ADULTS. Ibrahim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:29:29 +0100 From: "Jim Mortleman" Subject: Pieta/Knight Rider auteur@ix.netcom.com wrote: >On a side note: every time I hear the phrase "Which way Michael?" from >the song "Pieta", it sounds like KITT from Knight Rider speaking to >Michael Knight!! I wish I could rid myself of this sad mental >connection...has anyone else ever thought this, or am I plum loco? Me too. I've always assumed that's where it was sampled from. Jim. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:00:54 +0100 From: "Jim Mortleman" Subject: Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. >>Who or what is Lubert Das? > >A reference from a Hieronymus Bosch painting called "The Cure of >Folly".Ibid. For me, Madman's Honey is Wire at their most Lewis Carroll - implicitly with all the nonsense verse and playful anagram lyrics; explicitly with the 'mad as a hatter' line. According to Graham in "Everybody Loves A History", the original idea came from a tale about a mysterious civilisation in Turkey which brewed a mead that people would come from miles around to drink and celebrate, and which then sent them mad. ('Magic mead', presumably.) Has anyone on the list ever listened to the song while tripping, by any chance? Jim. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:20:21 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Subject: Re: Pieta/Knight Rider Jim Mortleman wrote: > auteur@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > >On a side note: every time I hear the phrase "Which way Michael?" > from > >the song "Pieta", it sounds like KITT from Knight Rider speaking to > >Michael Knight!! I wish I could rid myself of this sad mental > >connection...has anyone else ever thought this, or am I plum loco? > > Me too. I've always assumed that's where it was sampled from. > > Jim. Well, we can all rest easy in the knowledge that David Haslehoff was never a member of WIRE. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sentient car somewhere buried deep in their history ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:33:45 +0000 From: "heileson@u.washington.edu" Subject: Re: Pieta/Knight Rider > auteur@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >> On a side note: every time I hear the phrase "Which way Michael?" from >> the song "Pieta", it sounds like KITT from Knight Rider speaking to >> Michael Knight!! I wish I could rid myself of this sad mental >> connection...has anyone else ever thought this, or am I plum loco? > > Me too. I've always assumed that's where it was sampled from. It's been a looong time since I ran across that show, but isn't the voice a bit harsh for KITT? It actually sounds like Bruce's voice in the very effected sections of The Haring... (just doing my part to help alleviate the 'sad connection' :)) - -- Carspotting? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. Excerpts from ideal: 16-Jul-98 Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. by "Jim Mortleman"@jarmo.demon.co.uk > Has anyone on the list ever > listened to the song while tripping, by any chance? No, but you reminded me of something. As an undergrad, I had a roommate who was bed-ridden one day because of alcohol and who knows what else. So I put my 154 CD in the player and had it repeat BG's "Small Electric Piece". The poor fellow listened to it for 8 HOURS! before I returned and stopped it! (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "What a blessing that so much of humanity is able to be alive at the same time as myself." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:40:36 EDT From: Gescom@aol.com Subject: Fwd: help [idealcopy] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_900564036_boundary Content-ID: <0_900564036@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_900564036_boundary Content-ID: <0_900564036@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Gescom@aol.com Return-path: To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: help [idealcopy] Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:39:16 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know this is incredibly lame and I will be flamed for an eternity, but will someone please reply to me with instructions on how to unsubsribe from the Idealcopy list. thank you, anonymous - --part0_900564036_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #81 ******************************