From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #77 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: wire live ["Steve Jackson" ] Re: wire live [Billy D ] The vurst. [Mike Edwards ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #76 [Yoshi matsumoto ] 10 Great Wire Moments. ["Steve Jackson" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #76 (fwd) [nobrand@bitburn.org (B. Coates)] Wirst Wire [flaherty michael w ] Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. [flaherty michael w ] pop goes the Graham ["Nobrand- endorsing nothing." ] Re: wirewurst [Thom Heileson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:33:18 +0100 From: "Steve Jackson" Subject: Re: wire live Not funny... - -----Original Message----- From: Billy D To: Ideal Copy ; Mack ; Steve Jackson Date: 11 July 1998 08:41 Subject: Re: wire live >If you play your cards right next time she might ask you for sex... > >Cheers, >BillyD > > a High School teacher and have been turning my students on to bands >like >> >== >'Your plastic pal who's fun to be around!' > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Billy D Subject: Re: wire live Did I offend you? Are you made of glass? BillyD - ---Steve Jackson wrote: > > Not funny... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Billy D > To: Ideal Copy ; Mack ; Steve > Jackson > Date: 11 July 1998 08:41 > Subject: Re: wire live > > > >If you play your cards right next time she might ask you for sex... > > > >Cheers, > >BillyD > > > > a High School teacher and have been turning my students on to bands > >like > >> > >== > >'Your plastic pal who's fun to be around!' > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > == 'Your plastic pal who's fun to be around!' _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:27:25 +0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: The vurst. If I can digress for a moment, on the subject of the worst Wire song ever I'd like to say that "The Drill" CD is by far the lamest Wire to me. I re-listened to it this morning before posting this, and it is still the worst piece of junk I've ever heard. Having said that, the final song "(A Chicago) Drill, Live", is great. I'm with the group on "Manscape". I like the "Manscape" ep, though, just not that song. On the subject of vinyl verses digital, (I prefer Cd's)I think CD's lack space. I'm sure there is a good technical reason why I don't hear that space(hiss?), but I don't. The list is booming lately! Mike Edwards P.S. Listened to He said omala again recently, and I may have to re-think my criticisms. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 03:13:33 -0000 From: Yoshi matsumoto Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #76 My least fave Wir(e) recordings would be the following: In Vivo (club remix) -- I feel the rhythm track *deducts* from the appeal of the song itself Gravity Worship -- pretty impressive performance by Graham, but I'm not too sure there's much of a composition to base it on It's A Boy -- I just don't get it, I guess... I also feel Cheeking Tongues is a yawner. As for the post-reunion Wire, I generally feel that songs with a stronger Graham presence are more 'charged,' whatever that may mean. BTW, I'm also a Talk Talk fan... The Mark Hollis solo album that just came out, IMO, is as much a masterpiece as Spirit of Eden. It's interesting how so much of the list cites a common interest for Talk Talk, for the music is soooo different. I've also found a tendency for my fave artists to work together in later releases. I used to love King Crimson/David Torn/Japan (this was back in '89-'90), and these musicians worked in different combinations in later releases. Ditto for Russell Mills: I used to love his artwork for David Sylvian albums, and it was after I started exploring Wire's solo projects that I learned of Dome. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A lemon beside an orange is no longer a lemon, the orange no longer an orange; they have become fruit. - -Georges Braque * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Yoshi Matsumoto email: liminal@st.rim.or.jp web: http://www.at-m.or.jp/~liminal * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:30:59 +0100 From: "Steve Jackson" Subject: 10 Great Wire Moments. 1. The bass guitar on "Advantage in Height" 2. The guitar at the start of "Patterns of Behaviour" 3. Colin's sharp intake of breath just before he sings "Narrow in the eye..." on "Small Black Reptile." 4. "Tears from your eyes make a hole in a rock" (not strictly Wire, I know) 5. Colin sounding like he has a cold on "Our Swimmer" 6. "All those with problems with nostalgia can go home now" Graham responds to calls for "12XU" on the "Mittnacht Bahnof Cafe Nostalgia" bootleg 7. The sense of foreboding experienced as " A bargain at 3 and 20 yeah!" builds up 8. Colin squeaking "Why did you have to make me talk?" on "From the Nursery" 9. The drum sound on "Fragile" 10. All of " Map Ref...." A couple of questions... Am I sad for compiling the above list? Who was first with THAT bass sound, Lewis around Drill/ Ideal Copy of Hooky out of New Order? Is Ahead about oral sex? Who or what is Lubert Das? I'm enjoying this newsgroup..It's making me discover Wire all over again. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:41:49 -0800 From: nobrand@bitburn.org (B. Coates) Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #76 (fwd) >BTW, I'm also a Talk Talk fan... ...It's >interesting how so much of the list cites a common interest for Talk >Talk, for the music is soooo different. I just met a kid a few weeks ago that had the same thing. There was in particular one Talk Talk album that was supposedly a jam session, completely improv(?). He was also not fond of reunion Wire, dunno if this is also a common element in this situation... brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:40:24 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Wirst Wire The "pop lovers" on the list certainly seem to love these type of questions. I think the subsequent posting on the worst album poll showed that there are plenty on this list who enjoy the "art" and "unstructured" side of Wire, they are just less vocal on these little polls. (As you may have guessed, I rather like most of what's been flamed in the last 24 hours. I don't have a problem with that--just throwing in the minority report.) So I'll vote for "Kidney Bingos" and "Eardrum Buzz". I played them over a week ago and I still hear them in my head--no real need to play them again any time soon, ... which is sort of my point. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:44:30 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Steve Jackson wrote: > A couple of questions... > > Is Ahead about oral sex? I don't think so. I'm not at all certain, but I think it's about the aftermath of an accident or some other violent occurence. (Making the body count ... nothing but enough for a head .... Just guessing.) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:54:11 -0800 From: nobrand@bitburn.org (B. Coates) Subject: Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. (fwd) >Am I sad for compiling the above list? No. Bored, maybe ;) >Who was first with THAT bass sound, Lewis around Drill/ Ideal Copy of Hooky >out of New Order? Let's not play faves, here... I would imagine if not someone else, then Hook, since he'd been playing with keys full time longer than Gilbert/Lewis >Is Ahead about oral sex? From what I understand, yes. Had something to do with Blue Velvet, I think. >Who or what is Lubert Das? A painting by the guy that painted the picture used on Van Halen's first album(!) I forget exactly, it was an artist supposedly commissioned by the catholic Church, I don't know how to spell his name, it sounds like Huronymous Bosch. I am not an art guy, so details may vary. >I'm enjoying this newsgroup..It's making me discover Wire all over again. Me, too. Diggin' it ! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 16:36:31 -0400 From: Subject: Re: 10 Great Wire Moments. >Is Ahead about oral sex? From "Everybody Loves A History": a quote from Graham re: "Ahead" "It's got erotic, oral, sexual connotations. Also a sense of sinister undercurrents." >Who or what is Lubert Das? A reference from a Hieronymus Bosch painting called "The Cure of Folly".Ibid. Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:26:43 -0700 (PWT) From: "Nobrand- endorsing nothing." Subject: pop goes the Graham All these years, I had given myself the impression that Colin was responsible for any pop aspect in Wire, while Graham and Bruce gave the noise and chaos to the music. But I just dusted off Take-Care, and listening to ABC Dicks Love disproves that completely. In fact, the entire album is surprising me, as well as giving me a shot in the arm of 1988/9! I listened the heck out of this sucker back then!! Now I'm listening to Could You? Verdict is the same. 'Scuse me while I go wax nostalgic... Brian - ------------------------------------------------------------------- dreaming the seventh dream of teenage heaven... nobrand@bitburn.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:55:12 -0800 From: Thom Heileson Subject: Re: wirewurst B. Coates wrote: > >The only other piece I will > >absolutely NOT listen to is "Ambulance Chasers", which is merely boring. > > AAAAHHHH! That was nearly my second favorite! It brings an element of the > Wolfgang Press, with a bit of the funky... Is there a studio version? I > just have the live recording. The studio version, btw, is on WMO's "Coatings" disk. I find hearing it nice and quirky after many years of listening to the live track - which I really love > From: > "Steve Jackson" > > Who was first with THAT bass sound, Lewis around Drill/ Ideal Copy of Hooky > out of New Order? Les Pattinson was onto that chorus-heavy bass as well, back around Echo's Heaven Up Here... though Hooky and Lewis were a bit more 'wet' with it... > From: > flaherty michael w > > So I'll vote for "Kidney Bingos" and "Eardrum Buzz". I played them over a > week ago and I still hear them in my head--no real need to play them again > any time soon, ... which is sort of my point. Speaking of bass, the bass line on Eardrum Buzz is still one of my favorites! Something about its drive avec bounciness... (and perhaps the fact that it's easy to mimic :)) Partly because of this, I heart this song > From: > nobrand@bitburn.org (B. Coates) > > Let's not play faves, here... I would imagine if not someone else, then > since he'd been playing with keys full time longer than Gilbert/Lewis You mean his 6-string? (getting dangerously groupyish here) - -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson University of Washington School of Art Center for Advanced Research Technology in the Arts and Humanities [CARTAH] 206.543.4218 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #77 ******************************