From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #73 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Intro ["Wilson, Chad" ] Re: Wire Reforms? [flaherty michael w ] manscape ["Meddings, Anne L (Anne)" ] re: re: manscape ["Jack Steinmann" ] Re: manscape [flaherty michael w ] Re: Intro [Thom Heileson ] Bootleg Vinyl ["ken johnson" ] Bootleg Vinyl ["ken johnson" ] Re: Bootleg Vinyl ["Mack" ] Re: Bootleg Vinyl [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Wire Reform ["Mark McQuitty" ] A.C. Marias and Dome. [Mike Edwards ] Wire Reform. [CliveNice@aol.com] Re: A.C. Marias and Dome. ["ken johnson" ] Re: Bootleg Vinyl ["ken johnson" ] Wire reforms? [wmo ny ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:09:42 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: RE: Intro Welcome Ian! I think if we shared a room, we could probably sell half of our CD's because we would own the same ones! ;-) ... For the record my favorite album is not by Wire, it is in fact "Spirit of Eden" by Talk Talk! Cheers! Chad > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian J. Harris [SMTP:ianjh72@ndirect.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 7:25 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Intro > > Hi > Just subscribed to the list so I thought I'd give a quick hello. My > name is Ian, I am 26 and live in Witham, Essex. I am a fairly recent > convert to Wire (circa 1996) but they rapidly became one of my most > listened to bands. Other artists I like are Devo, Kraftwerk, Sparks, > B52s, M, Smiths, Depeche Mode, Talk Talk, Bowie and many many others. > My favourite Wire album is 154 and favourite track is a split > between Our Swimmer and A Serious of Snakes. > > ~ Ian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:10:39 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: Wire Reforms? On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, wmo ny wrote: > But what would they ACTUALLY do? > Colin would start with a pop record with breakbeats that's secretly 'reinvented > rock', Graham would then rearrange it and "sing" over everything, Bruce would > then put it through his Shed, and Robert.... Robert plays a full drum kit now. > Get the picture? Actually, this sounds OK to me, but your point is well taken. I would like to add another thought: In recent list-member polling "Manscape" was, as I remember, strongly disliked by many (not me, by the way) and the Wir things didn't fare much better. "A Bell is a Cup", "Its Beginning ...", and "Ideal Copy" were often cited as favorites. Based on the chronology of these releases, not to mention the solo releases since Wir, my feeling is that a new Wire album would be their least pop or commercial ever. I would like that, but I'm really just as happy listening to the solo releases. My guess is that if Wire reformed the result would be something many Wire fans (particularly the ones who want the reunion the most) would hate (or at least not listen to much). So perhaps it's just as well to leave it alone? Just some speculative thoughts, Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:40:54 -0400 From: "Meddings, Anne L (Anne)" Subject: manscape Michael Flaherty wrote: >In recent list-member polling "Manscape" was, as I remember, strongly > disliked by many (not me, by the way)< > Yes - what's up with that? Does no one else (besides Michael I hope) ~adore~ "Small Black Reptile," "Where's the Deputation," or "Children of Groceries"? All delicious songs to me. Anne ------------------------------ Date: 06 Jul 98 11:56:02 -0500 From: "Jack Steinmann" Subject: re: re: manscape Reply to: re: re: manscape Manscape is a fine album, and much more cohesive in its (shortened) vinyl format and track order. Unlike on the CD, the opening song on the vinyl is Patterns of Behaviour, and it remains one of my all-time favorite songs, a 21-guitar salute. Jack On 7/6/98, Meddings, Anne L (Anne) wrote: Michael Flaherty wrote: >In recent list-member polling "Manscape" was, as I remember, strongly > disliked by many (not me, by the way)< Yes - what's up with that? Does no one else (besides Michael I hope) ~adore~ "Small Black Reptile," "Where's the Deputation," or "Children of Groceries"? All delicious songs to me. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:04:12 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: manscape On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Meddings, Anne L (Anne) wrote: > Michael Flaherty wrote: > >In recent list-member polling "Manscape" was, as I remember, strongly > > disliked by many (not me, by the way)< > > > Yes - what's up with that? Does no one else (besides Michael I hope) > ~adore~ "Small Black Reptile," "Where's the Deputation," or "Children of > Groceries"? All delicious songs to me. > > Anne > Well, I think what's up with it is that the album isn't structured enough for some tastes (no judgement intended). I also really love "You Hung the Lights ...". I might add that I think this album has some of Graham's strongest vocals and lyrics; it's my favorite "reunion" album. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:31:35 -0800 From: Thom Heileson Subject: Re: Intro Wilson, Chad wrote: > For the record my > favorite album is not by Wire, it is in fact "Spirit of Eden" by Talk > Talk! Cheers! So is mine! Closely followed by Talk Talk's Laughing Stock... These records have been profound listening experiences for me... in a completely different way than the Wiresque has. Hm, that's about all; I'm fanatical about these records and it's just funky to find someone with the same specific fave... More Wiresque content next time, I promise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:55:13 -0400 From: "ken johnson" Subject: Bootleg Vinyl Hey Y'all- Does anyone know if there was ever a vinyl bootleg issued of the radio session material on "Pacific/Specific" Thanks, Ken J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:58:56 -0400 From: "ken johnson" Subject: Bootleg Vinyl Hey Y'all- Does anyone know if any vinyl bootlegs were ever issued of the radio material contained on "Pacific/Specific"? Thanks, Ken J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:00:10 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: Bootleg Vinyl They're called 'Imports' these days :<) Sorry I don't jhave any really usefull information david >Does anyone know if there was ever a vinyl bootleg issued of the radio >session material on "Pacific/Specific" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Bootleg Vinyl Excerpts from mail: 6-Jul-98 Bootleg Vinyl by "ken johnson"@dte.net > Does anyone know if any vinyl bootlegs were ever issued of the radio > material contained on "Pacific/Specific"? What an odd question! I've never heard of a *vinyl* bootleg of this material, but if anyone else has, please let me know so I can add it to the discography. However, I do have a *cassette* bootleg of it. Nothing official, just a multiple generation copy of what someone taped off the radio. I don't have it on the bootleg list since WMO has commercially released it; besides, their release sounds much better. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "What a blessing that so much of humanity is able to be alive at the same time as myself." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:51:20 +0100 From: "Mark McQuitty" Subject: Wire Reform charles / wmo wrote : > they'd need a label to cough up say $100k to pay for the next record. Doesn't todays technology enable mastering quality at less than this? If they really want to work together for artistic reasons then surely they can? It's up to their own motivation. > Let's remember that Wire still get a lot of shit in certain circles for reforming 85-91 This line reminded me of a curious feature of Wire audiences. What I could never understand were the people who stood in the crowd and screamed for 12XU etc. I want them to always do new stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:35:32 +0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: A.C. Marias and Dome. Back in Pre-He days, Graham and Bruce put out a 45 on DOME records by A.C. Marias. To the best of my knowledge this recording wasn't released anywhere else, and though I bought numerous copies trying to get a good pressing, all the ones I bought were horribly afflicted by rampant groove noise. I don't remember the title of the A or B side anymore, but I still have it on cassette, and it's a really sublime recording. Just wordless voice and slight noise. A real stunner. Anybody know if this ever appeared on CD? Thanks, Mike Edwards (relistening to all that old Dome and He said stuff lately) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:10:33 EDT From: CliveNice@aol.com Subject: Wire Reform. I agree, they must not appreciate one another all too much to place a price that high on the possibility of future collaborations. Sounds arrogant to me, it's art isn't it? If they ever expect to be offered that much money, then they would likely be forced to meet the industry's expectations (i.e. play old songs). For anyone who wants to feign a startled expression, VH1 did not play a Wire Video in their History of Video, A-Z show. "And the Easter Bunny isn't real either!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:27:09 -0400 From: "ken johnson" Subject: Re: A.C. Marias and Dome. Mike Edwards wrote- > .....all the ones I bought were horribly afflicted by rampant > groove noise. Mine too, and all of the others I've heard. Guess that's why they call it Trade. There's always the possibility that we're just not getting it, and it's really part of the piece. The cover, after all, was printed to look beat up. Mixing a song to sound that way might be more than Mortals can comprehend. >I don't remember the title of the A or B side anymore, but > I still have it on cassette, and it's a really sublime recording. Just > wordless voice and slight noise. It's "Drop", b/w "So". While "So" is little more than Angela doing "Music for Airports", "Drop" is one of the absolute greats. Just as the pairing of Lewis and Gilbert is so much better than either alone, when you add her into the mix, it seems like they all are trying to out-do themselves, and you get some great masterpieces. No CD, and don't sweat it. It just makes the group a little more select. (Ref. "Elitism, etc.") Ken J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:48:38 -0400 From: "ken johnson" Subject: Re: Bootleg Vinyl Andrew N Westmeyer wrote- > ... > What an odd question! I've never heard of a *vinyl* bootleg ....WMO has commercially released it; > besides, their release sounds much better. Now Andrew, don't start me off. Everyone knows ~VINYL~ is superior in every in every aspect to all other forms of media. It is the Original, the Real Thing (tm), expect no substitutes. Harvest vinyl of "Chair Missing" fetches triple what a new CD costs. That's the market speaking, so it must be true!! Ken J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:52:27 -0400 From: wmo ny Subject: Wire reforms? > > But what would they ACTUALLY do? > > Colin would start with a pop record with breakbeats that's secretly 'reinvented > > rock', Graham would then rearrange it and "sing" over everything, Bruce would > > then put it through his Shed, and Robert.... Robert plays a full drum kit now. > > Get the picture? > > Actually, this sounds OK to me, but your point is well taken. I would > like to add another thought: > "A Bell is a Cup", "Its Beginning ...", and "Ideal Copy" were often cited > as favorites. Based on the chronology of these releases, not to mention > the solo releases since Wir, my feeling is that a new Wire album would be > their least pop or commercial ever. > I would like that, but I'm really just as happy listening to the solo > releases. My guess is that if Wire reformed the result would be something > many Wire fans (particularly the ones who want the reunion the most) would > hate (or at least not listen to much). So perhaps it's just as well to > leave it alone? Very interesting insights, i think we all should agree. I don;t think that Wire would want to reform to do a WMO type album, which, I beleive, would be the scenario I described above. But of course, the obvious question is why would Wire want to do that in the first place?! Wasn't that what the Drill album was about? I think their point of reforming would be to reach a new audience. This obviously would also be the reason for a Record label to put the Big Bucks behind it. I don't, however, think that it would alienate anyone this time around. Just a hunch, but third times a charm, and in no small way I think the world's ready for them. Thoughts? charles/wmo in ny ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #73 ******************************