From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #66 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Which Wir(e) [dieter.loos@ubs.com] RE: Which Wir(e) [ubaran@iclretail.icl.com] Re: Which Wir(e) ["Alex Wise" ] who are you people? [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: who are you people? [] Re: who are you people? [Billy D ] Re: who are you people? [Amanda ] FW: who are you people? ["Wilson, Chad" ] FW: who are you people? ["Wilson, Chad" ] Eardrum Buzz Ignored? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Head Count [rtc@sirius.com (Robert Cambra)] who are you people? [dieter.loos@ubs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:39:33 +0200 From: dieter.loos@ubs.com Subject: RE: Which Wir(e) - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="PUBLIC:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="PUBLIC:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1: Original - '76-80 > 2: Reform - 85-90 > 3: Wir - 90-93 > 4: Gilbert & Lewis > 5: Newman > 6: Gilbert > 7: Lewis I'm 38 and and got hooked to Wire when I first heard 'I am the fly' on the radio when the single was released. Saw them live in Zuerich in 79. Thereafter they never returned to Switzerland. I tried to get all of their stuff in all formats. By now I guess I've got nearly everything. My favourites: 1> 154 - still sounds great after all these years 2> Snakedrill - we were relieved to have them back 3> The First Letter - so and slow should have been a massive hit 4> Dome 1 and 2 - experiments with punch 5> Not To - with Gilbert this was almost Wire 6> In Esse - reminding me of the Dome-days 7> He Said - nice Popsongs (Seems like I'm stuck with the older stuff) Dieter - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:47:58 +0100 From: ubaran@iclretail.icl.com Subject: RE: Which Wir(e) That's interesting, I first heard Dot Dash in '79 thought it was great and the next thing I heard was 'I am the fly' which put me off Wire for about 2 years. Looking at some of the responses, it seems as though '154' has universal appeal. Rgds Uri > -----Original Message----- > From: dieter.loos@ubs.com [SMTP:dieter.loos@ubs.com] > Sent: 29 June 1998 9:40 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Which Wir(e) > > > > 1: Original - '76-80 > > 2: Reform - 85-90 > > 3: Wir - 90-93 > > 4: Gilbert & Lewis > > 5: Newman > > 6: Gilbert > > 7: Lewis > > I'm 38 and and got hooked to Wire when I first heard 'I am the fly' on > > the radio when the single was released. > Saw them live in Zuerich in 79. Thereafter they never returned to > Switzerland. > I tried to get all of their stuff in all formats. By now I guess I've > got nearly everything. > > My favourites: > > 1> 154 - still sounds great after all these years > 2> Snakedrill - we were relieved to have them back > 3> The First Letter - so and slow should have been a massive hit > 4> Dome 1 and 2 - experiments with punch > 5> Not To - with Gilbert this was almost Wire > 6> In Esse - reminding me of the Dome-days > 7> He Said - nice Popsongs > > (Seems like I'm stuck with the older stuff) > > Dieter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:31:07 +0100 From: "Alex Wise" Subject: Re: Which Wir(e) > 1: Original - '76-80 > 2: Reform - 85-90 > 3: Wir - 90-93 > 4: Gilbert & Lewis > 5: Newman > 6: Gilbert > 7: Lewis I would give 1,2,4 and 6 the total thumbs up.I still have yet to listen to 3,5 and 7.I'm 21 and I've been listening to Wire since 1988.Love the 2nd incarnation of Wire with their abstract studio techniques,midi,sequencing and sampling.But I haven't properly heard Manscape so I can't really comment. The first 2 Wire LPs (1) have their moments but 154 is no.1 from that era for me. Lewis and Gilbert always intriguing,mindblowing for me with new noises.This Way To The Shivering Man(6) is a classic noise masterpiece.But I have yet to hear also of Gilbert's later stuff.I've had a little listen to In Esse and I thought it was pretty good but for some odd reason have not got around to buying it. - -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: who are you people? How is it that there are 100 people on this list? I suspect that the 50 people who haven't posted anything must work for EMI, Epic, Columbia, etc, and are trying to determine the mood of the consumer. Well, I'll tell you what we want - more Marcy Playground! That's right, I haven't heard that song enough yet. Anyhow, how about a serious question... Why didn't "Eardrum Buzz" top the charts? It's got a pop riff, catchy lyrics (zee zee zum zum buzz buzz!), and even a guitar solo of sorts (OK, so it's just an A5 chord played with different attacks). And the video is hysterical! I don't get it. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "What a blessing that so much of humanity is able to be alive at the same time as myself." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 17:06:27 -0400 From: Subject: Re: who are you people? >Why didn't "Eardrum Buzz" top >the charts? It's got a pop riff, catchy lyrics (zee zee zum zum buzz >buzz!), and even a guitar solo of sorts (OK, so it's just an A5 chord >played with different attacks). And the video is hysterical! I don't >get it. Actually, I remember this song getting LOADS of airplay on my college radio station in Akron, and it was on "Post-Modern MTV" just about every other night. To me, that's a bona fide success for them. I think the public would probably have liked "Kidney Bingos" better, since (to my ears) it's even poppier. The first image in the "Eardrum" video reminds me of the movie Blue Velvet (severed ear). An homage, I'm sure. Does anyone remember when underground / Alternative(TM) music used to be called progressive? Back before the media / marketing blitz of 91, that is... Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Billy D Subject: Re: who are you people? > Does anyone remember when underground /Alternative(TM) music used to be > called progressive? Back before the media / marketing blitz of 91, that > is... > > > Eric > auteur@ix.netcom.com > Does anyone remember when it was called new wave? Or am I just showing my age? Cheers, BillyD _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:59:02 -0500 (EST) From: Amanda Subject: Re: who are you people? > Actually, I remember this song getting LOADS of airplay on my college > radio station in Akron, and it was on "Post-Modern MTV" just about every > other night. To me, that's a bona fide success for them. I think the > public would probably have liked "Kidney Bingos" better, since (to my > ears) it's even poppier. The first image in the "Eardrum" video reminds > me of the movie Blue Velvet (severed ear). An homage, I'm sure. Both Eardrum Buzz and Kidney Bingos got a decent amount of airplay on WXRT in Chicago, a *commercial* station, albeit a rather open-minded one. Coincidentally, yesterday I found a used copy of the Eardrum Buzz cd single. The cashier apparently had never seen a cd3 before and marvelled at how tiny it was. She then asked me whether I needed a special player to play it. And this woman works in a used cd store. Amanda - -- aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu aki@retina.net :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=: "The avant-garde always ends up at WalMart sooner or later." -- A. Codrescu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:19:55 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: FW: who are you people? > Not a ridiculous question. They don't work in my car CD player nor in > my PC with the "feeder" type loading. Funny they never released the > "in Vivo" stuff on CD. I have the tape of it, and of course the > version on coatings. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amanda [SMTP:aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu] > Sent: Monday, June 29, 1998 3:59 PM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: who are you people? > > > Coincidentally, yesterday I found a used copy of the Eardrum Buzz cd > single. The cashier apparently had never seen a cd3 before and > marvelled at how tiny it was. She then asked me whether I needed a > special player to play it. > > And this woman works in a used cd store. > > Amanda > > -- > > aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu > aki@retina.net > :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:= > :=:=: > "The avant-garde always ends up at WalMart sooner or later." -- A. > Codrescu > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:20:15 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: FW: who are you people? > I like a lot of music that came out in the post "new wave" and pre > "alternative/grunge" era, like the Pixies, Throwing Musses and of > course, "Ideal Copy" and "Bell is a cup" era Wire! I never remember it > being called progressive, as a matter of fact, maybe the best part > about it was that it had no label, nothing to water it down. In a way > all new alternative rock is a variant off of the above three bands. at > least a good portion of it. > > Chad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Billy D [SMTP:xj23@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, June 29, 1998 3:37 PM > To: auteur@ix.netcom.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: who are you people? > > > Does anyone remember when underground /Alternative(TM) music used to > be > > called progressive? Back before the media / marketing blitz of 91, > that > > is... > > > > > > Eric > > auteur@ix.netcom.com > > > Does anyone remember when it was called new wave? > Or am I just showing my age? > > Cheers, > BillyD > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:24:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Eardrum Buzz Ignored? On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 auteur@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >Why didn't "Eardrum Buzz" top > >the charts? It's got a pop riff, catchy lyrics (zee zee zum zum buzz > >buzz!), and even a guitar solo of sorts (OK, so it's just an A5 chord > >played with different attacks). And the video is hysterical! I don't > >get it. > > Actually, I remember this song getting LOADS of airplay on my college > radio station in Akron, and it was on "Post-Modern MTV" just about every > other night. To me, that's a bona fide success for them. I think the > public would probably have liked "Kidney Bingos" better, since (to my > ears) it's even poppier. The first image in the "Eardrum" video reminds > me of the movie Blue Velvet (severed ear). An homage, I'm sure. > The problem is, pop music isn't popular. Doubt me? Look at the charts - tell me how many of those songs you can actually *hum* or are even written in yr basic verse-chorus format. Random blatherings up & down watered down blues scales is all. Melodies? Chord progressions? Hah! Cynical pop fan Jeff, who agrees that in a perfect world not only "Eardrum Buzz" but also "Kidney Bingos," "Outdoor Miner," and several other Wire songs would have have been wildly popular... J e f f r e y N o r m a n Department of English http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee :: God grant us the blissfulness to change the things we want, :: :: blow up the things we can't, :: :: and the money to cover the difference :: ::......................................--note, Tar Babies _Death Trip_ :: np: The Aluminum Group _Plano_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:53:19 -0800 From: rtc@sirius.com (Robert Cambra) Subject: Head Count A quick poll to try to determine which variant of Wire + members is the main reason that people have the interest. There seems to be 7 variants: 1: Original - '76-80 2: Reform - 85-90 3: Wir - 90-93 4: Gilbert & Lewis 5: Newman 6: Gilbert 7: Lewis (Is it too late?) I'm interested in all of the above. Forty-one years old. Hummm . . .been listening to to Wire and related projects for twenty years now . . . Favorite album is "Chairs Missing," of course. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:37:13 +0200 From: dieter.loos@ubs.com Subject: who are you people? - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="PUBLIC:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="PUBLIC:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kidney Bingos" must have had some mass appeal: I recorded Wire when they had a playback(!)-appearence on a very mainstream TV-show in Germany. It was great with Colin brushing his teeth, Bruce doing gymnastics with his guitar all wrapped in plastic and Robert sleeping with a drummachine on his lap. Graham was the only one taking it serious (or so it seems). Dieter - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #66 ******************************