From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #63 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the next big thing [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: Wire etc. on Video [Craig N Grannell ] Re: the next big thing [Craig N Grannell ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #62 ["charles / wmo" ] RE: the next big thing [Chris Walker ] Re: the next big thing [flaherty michael w ] Re: A-Z [idealcopy] [Gescom@aol.com] RE: A-Z [idealcopy] ["Wilson, Chad" ] Re: the next big thing [] Re: A-Z [idealcopy] [] Semi shameless plug! ["Wilson, Chad" ] Matching Crosses [idealcopy] [Gescom@aol.com] the next big thing will probably suck... ["Wilson, Chad" ] Re: the next big thing [Billy D ] Re: the next big thing [Billy D ] Re: the next big thing [Stewart Mason ] Re: the next big thing will probably suck... [#rciscon ] Re: the next big thing [] RE: the next big thing will probably suck... ["Wilson, Chad" ] The next big thing [CliveNice@aol.com] Re: The next big thing ["Mack" ] Live Wire. [Mike Edwards ] Re: the next big thing [Amanda ] RE: the next big thing [Amanda ] the next big thing [Chad Wilson ] Re: the next big thing [Snarlo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: the next big thing This isn't so much a Wire question as a question for those outside of the "pop" world: Now that grunge is thoroughly dead, what is the NEXT BIG THING? At first I would have guessed ska, but that has not proven true. Here are the candidates I can think of: (1) ska (eg, Bosstones, No Doubt, other "pop ska") (2) semi-electronica (eg, Republica, Chem Bros, Prodigy) (3) "women's" music (a la Lilith Fair) (4) metal revisited (eg, Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains, Kip Winger, Motley Crue, and other metal bands which are on the charts again) Any thoughts? (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "What a blessing that so much of humanity is able to be alive at the same time as myself." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig N Grannell Subject: Re: Wire etc. on Video > > > >Anyone know how many videos they've made? And which ones? > > > don't know how many but > Eardrum Buzz is a fave here > Graham directed/produced/had considerable input or whatever for many if not > most > I was under the impression the Angela Conway (now at world of video) directed all of the Wire videos except Ahead. - ----- Craig Grannell c.n.grannell@uwic.ac.uk (until June 30) cngrannell@yahoo.com (now) - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig N Grannell Subject: Re: the next big thing > This isn't so much a Wire question as a question for those outside of > the "pop" world: Now that grunge is thoroughly dead, what is the NEXT > BIG THING? > (1) ska (eg, Bosstones, No Doubt, other "pop ska") > (2) semi-electronica (eg, Republica, Chem Bros, Prodigy) > (3) "women's" music (a la Lilith Fair) > (4) metal revisited (eg, Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains, Kip Winger, > Motley Crue, and other metal bands which are on the charts again) > I don't know about the US market but here in the UK we've already gone thru 1 and 2 in the past few years as big things anyway!! Personally I reckon over here we're due for an eighties revival. Many early synth tunes are creeping back into the media (New Order's BLUE MONDAY is being played everywhere again). It's stalled once already with the 'romo' crap that was around in '96 but we've gone thru 60's, 70's glam, punk, post punk and noo-wave (sic) so in keeping with chronological order ... Question: the 90's have seen all these revivials. Once 80's & baggy is done we've gone full circle! What'll happen then - a 90s revival (of revivals)? Erm. C. - ----- Craig Grannell c.n.grannell@uwic.ac.uk (until June 30) cngrannell@yahoo.com (now) - ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:57:58 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #62 > >Does anyone know the release date for the new Pablo's Eye album on swim~? >Also, someone mentioned "Matching Crosses" by He Said Omala..is this >officially available yet? I knew it would be soon; any capsule reviews >perhaps? Pablo's Eye "All She Wants Grows Blue" release date (UK only) June 29th. Matching Crosses has been available from Wire Mail order. Contains remixes from Catch Supposes from several Swedish acts. Ranges from minimal electronics of Bruce Gilbert and Edvard Graham Lewis to Swing Jazz and a new track which contains Roy Orbison sample. Brilliant. charles - -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: April 07, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:34:56 -0500 From: Chris Walker Subject: RE: the next big thing > This isn't so much a Wire question as a question for those outside of > the "pop" world: Now that grunge is thoroughly dead, what is the NEXT > BIG THING? > > Maybe, Barbershop Quartet's will be the new wave of things to come? > Polka? I'm kidding, of course. > > Actually, I really don't care what the next big thing is. It's not > going to change my tastes in music anyway, it'll just make me > criticize more. Or at least, I will expect to criticize because the > BIG THINGS usually bring in some good music, but a lot more BAD music. > > I wouldn't mind see Michael Jackson take a go at speed metal. I guess > I am too eccentric and experimental and am seeking to much of the > bizarre. > > Chris - who is still waiting for the next Crispin Glover album to > finally be released. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:55:23 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Re: the next big thing On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Craig N Grannell wrote: > Question: the 90's have seen all these revivials. Once > 80's & baggy is done we've gone full circle! What'll > happen then - a 90s revival (of revivals)? In the 70s there was a 50s revival. In the 80s it was the 60s, and in the 90s the 70s. It has become so predictable that, as you note, the 80s revival is already gearing up as a matter of course. This has a lot to do with the age of the big consumers--those of us who were kids in the 70s are currently in our "big spending years" (not me personally, but never mind) so the media aims at us because that's what advertizers want. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:03:33 EDT From: Gescom@aol.com Subject: Re: A-Z [idealcopy] In a message dated 21/06/98 5:25:38 PM, Robert wrote: <> 'Not Me' comes across as a simple monologue. Colin appears to be responding to an individual's commentary; most likely directed at him. Over and over the refrain echoes, "you didn't touch me." The word "touched" is used to describe a personal connection rather than physical contact. Colin concedes briefly, but continues to argue his position: "It may be as you say, but you don't sound convinced." Once again the interpersonal dimension is obvious: "...between the selfish you and the selfish me..." As most great artists do, Colin has written a song applicable to many situations between many different types of people, while maintaining a personal and intimate style. The listener can relate to his words in an infinite number of ways. The bottom line is that it's a brilliant song. I am shocked that it was originally left off the album release of 'A-Z'. I'm sure Ivo was a little surprised too based on how much he loves the song. - -Ross Owen Katz (gescom@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:11:48 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: RE: A-Z [idealcopy] Speaking of ALMOST forgotten Colin Newman songs. Isn't there supposed to be a Colin Newman singles cd coming out on WMO soon? I would really dig on this cd, and I hope it comes out soon! Chad > -----Original Message----- > From: Gescom@aol.com [SMTP:Gescom@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 9:04 AM > To: CliveNice@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: A-Z [idealcopy] > > In a message dated 21/06/98 5:25:38 PM, Robert wrote: > > The bottom line is that it's a brilliant song. I am shocked that it > was > originally left off the album release of 'A-Z'. I'm sure Ivo was a > little > surprised too based on how much he loves the song. > > -Ross Owen Katz (gescom@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 12:16:57 -0400 From: Subject: Re: the next big thing >what is the NEXT >BIG THING? Here's my thought: The next big thing in the music world is hybridization. We've already seen it to some extent with so-called "world music" and the recent onslaught of bands combining hip-hop with heavy metal. Elements of indigenous, tribal, and/or ancient musics/instrumentation will start appearing MUCH MORE OFTEN in all forms of music. Electronic and dance artists have been doing this for quite some time, even dating back to Can and Eno/Byrne, and several artists before them, I'm sure. It of course takes some time for these actions to filter down to the mainstream, but I can almost see it over the horizon. Think about how the sitar became the "exotic instrument of choice" in the 60's: at first a few bands experimented with it, then it appeared everywhere (and to ill-use most of the time, unfortunately). I personally would not be surprised if in 10 years time we would be hearing a ballad by Mariah Carey backed by a sample of the Master Musicians of Joujouka (then again maybe I would). Or maybe Spice Girls with a Bhangra beat. But you all get the point, right? Any thoughts? Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 12:22:21 -0400 From: Subject: Re: A-Z [idealcopy] ><not >ready to speculate...>> There's an interview w/ Colin and Malka that I found online where he states that the song was written after seeing several works by Salvador Dali and being very unimpressed. Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com I can find this interview for you if you give me a little time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:21:41 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: Semi shameless plug! Please excuse me for bringing the list off topic for a second, but it is only slightly off topic! A band that I was playing with for a couple years just released a new CD Monday that I helped write. It is "Chord Based Rock" hehe, but contains lots of washy sounds and some keyboards here and there. An item of note for this list is that BOTH of the two songs I composed for this cd have some direct connection to Wire or at least Colin Newman. "Poison Mousse" was though up while listening to "It Seems" out in my backyard! Anyone on this list hearing the song would go "Hey!!!!" hehe... "Leave my wounds behind" is more subtle but if you listen close you will find the chorurs of "In Vivo" in the introduction and outro's of the song. I consider it my artistic duty to pay homage to my favorite rock band whenever I can! hehe... The band is Beatrice Nine, and the new album is "Incredible Husk". If anyone is interested (yeah right) you can order the CD at http://www.cdnow.com or check out the record label site at http://www.harvester-usa.com/lather. Thanks for indulging me! Chad > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:23:06 EDT From: Gescom@aol.com Subject: Matching Crosses [idealcopy] In a message dated 23/06/98 4:00:40 PM, auteur@ix.netcom.com wrote: <> 'Matching' was released a year ago on the Origin imprint. It is available through the lovely lads at Wire Mail Order. Ask for Charles. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:26:27 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: the next big thing will probably suck... I definately think the next big thing is more and more bubble gum relationship pop. More songs from male based rock bands about being pissed off, and more songs from solo female artists about the struggle of womyn around the globe. Funny how you never see an overweight female superstar, especially when they are supoosed to be so "Deep" and "Interesting", more like hand picked supermodels if you ask me... Chad P.S. here in the USA it looks like "Swing" is making some sort of waves, yeah probably old news, but either way, I hope it goes away soon!!!! How can you play music that you honestly never liked in the first place, just because its cool this week??? I mean, how many of these cherry popping retards were listening to "Swing" when they were growing up? Big fat ZERO... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 13:58:22 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Matching Crosses [idealcopy] >'Matching' was released a year ago on the Origin imprint. A year ago!? I must have misread my WMO newsletters or something. Sheesh! I've been waiting for official confirmation all this time. Getting ready to place yet another order with WMO, Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Billy D Subject: Re: the next big thing I have no clue what the next biggie will be. I don't listen to the radio or watch EpmTV. I have seen all these trends come and go and it seems to be a mix of all the styles you listed. I'm afraid! Cheers, BillyD - ---Andrew N Westmeyer wrote: > > This isn't so much a Wire question as a question for those outside of > the "pop" world: Now that grunge is thoroughly dead, what is the NEXT > BIG THING? > > At first I would have guessed ska, but that has not proven true. Here > are the candidates I can think of: > > (1) ska (eg, Bosstones, No Doubt, other "pop ska") > (2) semi-electronica (eg, Republica, Chem Bros, Prodigy) > (3) "women's" music (a la Lilith Fair) > (4) metal revisited (eg, Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains, Kip Winger, > Motley Crue, and other metal bands which are on the charts again) > > Any thoughts? > > (A)ndrew Westmeyer > qwerty@cmu.edu > www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty > > "What a blessing that so much of humanity is able to > be alive at the same time as myself." -Cecil Adams > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Billy D Subject: Re: the next big thing I have to listen to an 80's radio station at work. I nearly forgot all the shite music as I have been living in my own little time bubble. Last night I listened for six hours only to hear three songs I truly enjoyed! Cheers, Billyd - ---flaherty michael w wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Craig N Grannell wrote: > > > Question: the 90's have seen all these revivials. Once > > 80's & baggy is done we've gone full circle! What'll > > happen then - a 90s revival (of revivals)? > > > In the 70s there was a 50s revival. In the 80s it was the 60s, and in the > 90s the 70s. It has become so predictable that, as you note, the 80s > revival is already gearing up as a matter of course. This has a lot to do > with the age of the big consumers--those of us who were kids in the 70s > are currently in our "big spending years" (not me personally, but > never mind) so the media aims at us because that's what advertizers want. > > > Michael Flaherty > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:13:26 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: the next big thing My god, I cannot believe the level of whining, self-righteous elitism I have seen on this list over the last couple of days! It's just sickening! How on earth does it personally affect ANY of us what the dominant musical trends are, or that music we don't personally care for sells millions of records? It's not intended as a personal affront to you if someone decides to listen to a swing or ska or rap or techno album, and I would hope no one here is childish enough to think that by listening to Wire, they're somehow automatically better than someone who listens to the Spice Girls. But for many here, that seems to be the case. It's sad...I would have expected more from fans of such an intelligent and open-minded band. Stewart ****************************FLAMINGO RECORDS**************************** Box 40172 | Albuquerque NM 87196 | "There's some guy's steak." www.rt66.com/~flamingo | **********************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE*********************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 14:18:48 -0500 From: #rciscon Subject: Re: the next big thing will probably suck... >I definately think the next big thing is more and more bubble gum >relationship pop. More songs from male based rock bands about being >pissed off, and more songs from solo female artists about the struggle >of womyn around the globe. Funny how you never see an overweight female >superstar, especially when they are supoosed to be so "Deep" and >"Interesting", more like hand picked supermodels if you ask me... > >Chad > >P.S. here in the USA it looks like "Swing" is making some sort of waves, >yeah probably old news, but either way, I hope it goes away soon!!!! How >can you play music that you honestly never liked in the first place, >just because its cool this week??? I mean, how many of these cherry >popping retards were listening to "Swing" when they were growing up? Big >fat ZERO... > I think you are wrong.... While I'm not a huge fan of Swing, I do enjoy it. You must be very young to think that no one grew up listening to Swing. I'm in my mid-30's, and I grew up with my father listening to Frank Sinatra and Swing music. Personally, if we are going to go into a 'nostalgic' period of music, I'd take Swing all day over 70' disco! Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 14:18:45 -0500 From: #rciscon Subject: Re: the next big thing >This isn't so much a Wire question as a question for those outside of >the "pop" world: Now that grunge is thoroughly dead, what is the NEXT >BIG THING? > >At first I would have guessed ska, but that has not proven true. Here >are the candidates I can think of: > >(1) ska (eg, Bosstones, No Doubt, other "pop ska") >(2) semi-electronica (eg, Republica, Chem Bros, Prodigy) >(3) "women's" music (a la Lilith Fair) >(4) metal revisited (eg, Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains, Kip Winger, >Motley Crue, and other metal bands which are on the charts again) > >Any thoughts? > >(A)ndrew Westmeyer >qwerty@cmu.edu >www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty > My guess would be the following two genre's in America: Hard-Electronica: Prodigy, Orbital's 'Satan', NiN, etc., stuff that's electronic, but still has that 'hard guitar-like' edge to it... the American audience, especially males, prefer this type of 'ballsy' music. And Swing: Cherry Poppin' Daddies, Squirell Nut Zippers: Do not underestimate the appeal of this music. It's playing like crazy on 'so-called' alternative stations here in the Chicago area. It holds both a nostalgic appeal and you can dance to it. My Two Cents! Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 15:40:40 -0400 From: Subject: Re: the next big thing >My god, I cannot believe the level of whining, self-righteous elitism I >have seen on this list over the last couple of days! It's just sickening! And you've just become part of it , actually. Diversity is an essential part of any mailing list ; I welcome people's opinions, even if they differ from my own and annoy me. It would be very boring if everyone agreed with each other. Keep on debating everyone! Free speech for all! Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:46:31 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: RE: the next big thing will probably suck... I am 27, I don't know if that is young or not. I played swing in high school because it was required in jazz band. I guess what I am saying is sure, you are in your mid 30's so swing away. I just don't understand 17 year olds who have probably have never heard of Glen Miller and what not suddenly liking swing. Myabe thats just it, it is 'New" to them so it might as well be new, period. Anyway, there is also a difference between classic swing and this new crap. They both suck if you ask me, but the ols stuff sucks less. don't you all just love my big vocabulary? Chad > -----Original Message----- > From: #rciscon [SMTP:rciscon@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 12:19 PM > To: Wilson, Chad; > Subject: Re: the next big thing will probably suck... > > >I definately think the next big thing is more and more bubble gum > >relationship pop. More songs from male based rock bands about being > >pissed off, and more songs from solo female artists about the > struggle > >of womyn around the globe. Funny how you never see an overweight > female > >superstar, especially when they are supoosed to be so "Deep" and > >"Interesting", more like hand picked supermodels if you ask me... > > > >Chad > > > >P.S. here in the USA it looks like "Swing" is making some sort of > waves, > >yeah probably old news, but either way, I hope it goes away soon!!!! > How > >can you play music that you honestly never liked in the first place, > >just because its cool this week??? I mean, how many of these cherry > >popping retards were listening to "Swing" when they were growing up? > Big > >fat ZERO... > > > > > I think you are wrong.... While I'm not a huge fan of Swing, I do > enjoy > it. You must be very young to think that no one grew up listening to > Swing. I'm in my mid-30's, and I grew up with my father listening to > Frank Sinatra and Swing music. > > Personally, if we are going to go into a 'nostalgic' period of music, > I'd > take Swing all day over 70' disco! > > Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:49:39 -0500 From: Chris Walker Subject: RE: the next big thing > Swing: Cherry Poppin' Daddies, Squirell Nut Zippers: Do not > underestimate > the appeal of this music. It's playing like crazy on 'so-called' > alternative stations here in the Chicago area. It holds both a > nostalgic > appeal and you can dance to it. > > > Plus "Swing" has made a comeback, not only because people enjoy the > music itself, but because of the ambiance that can accompany it. > Couples, and mixed groups of all ages, are going out to places early > to get associated with some of the dancing by taking dancing classes > at 6 or 7 o'clock on a Saturday followed by four or five hours of > drinking and dancing with a live band playing into the wee hours of > the night. > > I actually dig a lot of different music, and I myself really enjoy the > return of Swing. It's by no means anything Wire-like, but then again > although I am a big fan of Wire I don't segregate myself to just > listening to Wire and Wire-related music. There's more out there, and > I've always been willing to experiment with things at least once. If > I like something, I do it again. If not, I drop it out of my system. > > Swingin' > > Chris > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:13:28 EDT From: CliveNice@aol.com Subject: The next big thing I'm the next big thing! I make all sorts of great songs using the pre- programmed melodies in a casio keyboard....there's backyard barbeque (to the battle hymn of the republic) time passes by like lightning (to smoke on the water, the only thing i can play on a guitar) and Marsupial (to the tune of some religious hymn). Record Companies be warned! Either sign me now, or you'll be eating the dust of my sales (i'm sure my mother would buy a copy out of pity). now if only i could play Funkytown on an accordian..... Robert. - -Almost as talented as A Flock of Seagulls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:46:20 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: The next big thing >-Almost as talented as A Flock of Seagulls. speaking of which - did anyone catch the 'comeback' a few (quite) years back? the only funnier/more pathetic thing i ever saw was paul revere and the raiders (minus mark lindsay) in reno nevada playing for a convention of computer performance geeks (yea - i'm one) d ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:10:24 +0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Live Wire. On the subject of times we've seen Wire live... I saw them on the first date of their reunion tour of the states, and boy, they were still working out the kinks. They played lots of stuff from the still unreleased "A Bell is a Cup..", and they played quite a few songs twice. I don't think they really thought of it as a proper gig, but more like a practice with a few hundred people there to watch. After the show Graham was in the bar, having a few fan bought drinks, and he called the show "dreadful" and told me to make sure I saw them again. I made a truly awful recording of the show that night on a walkman, but even through all the noise and mayhem the nature of the gig shows through. I saw them again about a year later at the end of a tour, and on this night they were truly grand. They ripped through their two reunion lp's with great ferocity, and ended the set with a titanic "Drill". During "Drill" Colin's guitar failed and he slammed it to the ground and stalked off the stage. Eventually Bruce left,too. Graham and Robert jammed on the song for 4 or 5 minutes, then Robert left(with a loop of his drums going) and Graham played more still. I never saw Wire again, but that was such a great moment, I didn't feel the need. Mike Edwards ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: Amanda Subject: Re: the next big thing > This isn't so much a Wire question as a question for those outside of > the "pop" world: Now that grunge is thoroughly dead, what is the NEXT > BIG THING? I don't think that "women's" music will be the next big thing, mostly because I don't think there are enough male consumers of it. Sure, there are some, but women still don't spend as much money on music as men do (although we're catching up). I would put neo-psychedelia on the list of possible Next Big Things. Bands like Neutral Milk Hotel, Olivia Tremor Control, and the Bevis Frond are getting more and more attention, and both of the Terrastock festivals have been covered in major music magazines... Amanda - -- aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu aki@retina.net :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=: "The avant-garde always ends up at WalMart sooner or later." -- A. Codrescu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: Amanda Subject: RE: the next big thing On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Chris Walker wrote: > I wouldn't mind see Michael Jackson take a go at speed metal. I guess > I am too eccentric and experimental and am seeking to much of the > bizarre. Did you hear that Pat Boone heavy metal album? Talk about, um, bizarre... Amanda - -- aschi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu aki@retina.net :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=: "The avant-garde always ends up at WalMart sooner or later." -- A. Codrescu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:31:14 -0700 From: Chad Wilson Subject: the next big thing From: Chad Wilson [SMTP:illy@cwnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 9:30 PM To: 'Stewart Mason' Subject: RE: the next big thing Lighten up... I don't think anyone here has a superiority complex. For instance it looks like I am the only one here that genuinly dislikes swing! Whats wrong with only liking certain types of music? It doesn't make one less intelligent or open minded. Beleive me I have tried all types of music, I just keep coming back to stuff that is *NOT* Swing, ska, country, R&B, Spice Girls etc. etc. No problem with people listening to them, but it is fun to make fun of trends... My problem with trends is that people that don't appreciate or understand music generally like the trend music, like Micheal Jackson and Spice Girls. Its sheep mentality thats all... Damnit come to think of it I *AM* superior to those idiots! :-) Chad - -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Mason [SMTP:flamingo@rt66.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 11:13 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: the next big thing My god, I cannot believe the level of whining, self-righteous elitism I have seen on this list over the last couple of days! It's just sickening! How on earth does it personally affect ANY of us what the dominant musical trends are, or that music we don't personally care for sells millions of records? It's not intended as a personal affront to you if someone decides to listen to a swing or ska or rap or techno album, and I would hope no one here is childish enough to think that by listening to Wire, they're somehow automatically better than someone who listens to the Spice Girls. But for many here, that seems to be the case. It's sad...I would have expected more from fans of such an intelligent and open-minded band. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:28:43 -0700 From: Snarlo Subject: Re: the next big thing >I would put neo-psychedelia on the list of possible Next Big Things. >Bands like Neutral Milk Hotel, Olivia Tremor Control, and the Bevis >Frond are getting more and more attention, and both of the Terrastock >festivals have been covered in major music magazines... > >Amanda How about-- Smiths revival--Belle and Sebastian Leonard Cohen revival--Arab Strap & Smog Serge Gainsbourg revival--Momus (for at least 10 years!) Beach Boys revival--High Llamas & Cornelius The Fall revival--Prolapse & Girls vs. Boys The Who revival--Guided by Voices ad nauseum... One of the most original sounding albums of late for my ears is the new Tricky, "Angels with Dirty Faces"...why, it's almost borderline out-there experimental a la the glory days of Gilbert & Lewis! who cares about next big things anyway, as long as the music is of quality (and that is a totally subjective thing anyway! why, some people think Celine Dion is the next big thing, I'm sure...) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #63 ******************************