From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #62 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Wire etc. on Video [ubaran@iclretail.icl.com] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #61 ["charles / wmo" ] New Releases [] Re: elctronic vs hand-made song type music [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey -----Original Message----- > From: Wilson, Chad [SMTP:CWilson@thedoctors.com] > Sent: 22 June 1998 9:43 PM > To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' > Subject: Wire etc. on Video > > Would anybody be interested in trading some wire / etc. on video for a > cd burn of Colin Newmans CN1 or any other weird / Rare Wire and > offshoot > material? Better yet, can I just send someone a tape and some money > to > cover time and labor? ;-) I really want some video! > > Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:19:48 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #61 >enough ranting already agreed charles - -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: April 07, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 17:01:54 -0400 From: Subject: New Releases Greetings All, Does anyone know the release date for the new Pablo's Eye album on swim~? Also, someone mentioned "Matching Crosses" by He Said Omala..is this officially available yet? I knew it would be soon; any capsule reviews perhaps? Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:27:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: elctronic vs hand-made song type music On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Norbert Ruecker wrote: > Having 2 or 3 guys with a strung piece of wood on their belly and a guy banging > away on a drum set playing songs based on chord progressions is a type of > music, that is based on a technology of ca. 1945 (Muddy Waters playing electic > guitar). Recent sampler and computer technology has lead to completely > different types of music, that are based on beats and noise rather than > chord progressions and catchy melodies, produced by people who are often no > instrumentalists in the traditional sense. > > Today I am an avid fan of DRUM & BASS, the best dance music EVER, and listen > a lot to intelligent big beats music like the stuff out on the Ninja Tune > label: DJ Food, Amon Tobin, DJ Vadim, but also Americans like WE (on Asphodel). > doesn't kick any more. I just ordered the latest NoMeansNo CD. If this one sucks > too, I am lost forever for rock music of all type. I think that a perspective like this one, which imagines the history of music as a series of radical upheavals after which the old is gone completely, seriously distorts actual musical practice. "Songs based on chord progressions" isn't *based* on the electric guitar - anyway, blues isn't really based on a chord progression at all - the I-IV-V convention doesn't function in blues the way it does in either classical Western or popular music - that is, it doesn't *progress*; it's a steady state over which the essential information, of tone and micropitches and rhythms, makes itself heard. The claim that "drum & bass is the best dance music EVER" is, uh, overstated: what defines "dance music"? and have you heard *all* of it - including stuff yet to come? And most important (what renders the absurdity of my first two questions clear) - you're allowing music you hear to be defined in terms of styles or genres that only exist as *descriptions* of music that wasn't made to fit those descriptions. That is, the folks who made the first drum & bass records had no rules saying this is or is not drum & bass - which is what makes those records great. To the extent that records that follow *are* "drum and bass" - that is, they fit the definition used to desribe those first records - they're probably less "great" (even if they're otherwise very good) precisely because of that definability (misspelled, if it's even a word, not that I care). Similarly, to state that you're "lost forever for rock music of all types" - - how do you know what's "rock music" and what isn't? And unless you can define it, it doesn't make sense (to me) to give up on any music that fits a vague, undefined criterion ("rock music = guitars & chord progressions & vocals" - I guess) just because it sort of fits that description. It's the flipside of saying "all drum & bass is great" (not that you're saying that) - it assumes that style defines quality. Me, I'm with Duke Ellington: there's only two kinds of music - good, and bad. Someone'll come along with guitars, basses, drums, and vocals and do something *you never fucking heard before in your life* - after all, that's what Wire did. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n Department of English http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will. :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Elvis Costello:: ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #62 ******************************