From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #58 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, June 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 ["charles / wmo" ] Fw: For Sale - Drummer ,,, ["Mack" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 [Billy D ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 [CGerman@aol.com] RE: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 ["Wilson, Chad" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 ["Mack" ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 [Thom Heileson ] Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 [Stewart Mason ] Traditional in relation to...? ["JH3" ] O.K., maybe it is just me... [Mike Edwards ] Re: Traditional in relation to...? [Audiochrom@aol.com] Head count.. [CliveNice@aol.com] Re: Head count.. [Creaig Dunton ] A-Z [CliveNice@aol.com] Re: Head count.. [Matthew Turner ] Re: Head count.. [Creaig Dunton ] Re: Head count.. ["Jim Mortleman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:42:31 -0700 From: "charles / wmo" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 Is REM is pulling Wir? Though it was VERY portentous that the Tibetan Freedom Concert got "struck by lightening". Laughing all the way to Bejing on that one! How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of "Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those "Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! charles/ a - -------------------------------------------- wmo@interserv.com http://wiremailorder.com/ catalog@wiremailorder.com updated: April 07, 1998 - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:20:30 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Fw: For Sale - Drummer ,,, still more > >Q. How can you tell when the drum riser is level? > >A. Drool comes out of both sides of the drummer's mouth. > > >Q. What do you call a drummer who breaks up with his girlfriend? > >A. Homeless. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Billy D Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 I prefer the more experimental music. Rock 'n' roll is for people who drink Bud (or smoke?) and listen to Van Halen. Give me electronics any day. Cheers, BillyD - ---charles / wmo wrote: > > > Is REM is pulling Wir? Though it was VERY portentous that the Tibetan > Freedom Concert got "struck by lightening". Laughing all the way to Bejing > on that one! > > How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of > "Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those > "Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! > > charles/ a > -------------------------------------------- > wmo@interserv.com > http://wiremailorder.com/ > catalog@wiremailorder.com > updated: April 07, 1998 > -------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:12:57 EDT From: CGerman@aol.com Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 So you mean to say that the only people with culture and clear heads listen to electronic music? You must be some kinda friggin' idiot, or, at the very least, an overly opinionated loud mouth. My guess is that you hav'nt spent very many years on this planet judging by your immature analysis of certain people's lifestyles. Try thinking about what you have to say before you say it next time, you may actually come up with something intelligent. Signed, Electronic Music Lover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:14:03 -0700 From: "Wilson, Chad" Subject: RE: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 I like Rock and Roll and Electronic Music but not all of either. "Experimental" Music, well... No I don't really like it. Whether its some homeless guy banging on an oil drum, or Bruce Gilbert sitting behind expensive electronic equiptment, most of it sounds like "noise" to me. I will take Rock and Roll era Wire for 2 Charles! Chad > -----Original Message----- > From: Billy D [SMTP:xj23@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 11:54 AM > To: charles / wmo; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 > > I prefer the more experimental music. Rock 'n' roll is for people who > drink Bud (or smoke?) and listen to Van Halen. > Give me electronics any day. > > Cheers, > BillyD > > ---charles / wmo wrote: > > > > > > Is REM is pulling Wir? Though it was VERY portentous that the > Tibetan > > Freedom Concert got "struck by lightening". Laughing all the way to > Bejing > > on that one! > > > > How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of > > "Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those > > "Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! > > > > charles/ a > > -------------------------------------------- > > wmo@interserv.com > > http://wiremailorder.com/ > > catalog@wiremailorder.com > > updated: April 07, 1998 > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:15:49 -0500 From: "Mack" Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 >I prefer the more experimental music. Rock 'n' roll is for people who >drink Bud (or smoke?) and listen to Van Halen. i think the rockNroll drink of choice is actually dom perignon and of course none of those electronica types smoke anything?!? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:55:13 -0800 From: Thom Heileson Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 > How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of > "Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those > "Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! Put me on the A-List. But then, I do still dig the rock thang... but then again, even the most classic rock gems by Wire were, to their credit, experimental and often weird! Thom - -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson University of Washington School of Art Center for Advanced Research Technology in the Arts and Humanities [CARTAH] 206.543.4218 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:00:18 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #57 At 03:12 PM 6/19/98 EDT, CGerman@aol.com wrote: > So you mean to say that the only people with culture and clear heads >listen to electronic music? You must be some kinda friggin' idiot, or, at the >very least, an overly opinionated loud mouth. My guess is that you hav'nt >spent very many years on this planet judging by your immature analysis of >certain people's lifestyles. Try thinking about what you have to say before >you say it next time, you may actually come up with something intelligent. > Signed, > Electronic Music Lover I'm sorry, but you must have confused the rest of us on the list with people who actually care about your opinion of this particular misguided post. Kindly direct your flames to private email. And that includes any flames anyone cares to send to me for this post. No one else cares, so send 'em to me, not to the list. Stewart ****************************FLAMINGO RECORDS**************************** Box 40172 | Albuquerque NM 87196 | "There's some guy's steak." www.rt66.com/~flamingo | **********************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE*********************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:00:05 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Traditional in relation to...? Charles sez: >How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of >"Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those >"Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! Maybe I'm just being picky about semantics here, but I've always assumed that if you liked Wire at all, you were already in favor of experimentalism, regardless of which period you preferred. To me the whole point was that they proved that even within within a "rock" context, with vocals and distorted guitars and all the rest of it, you could still be *highly* experimental indeed. And you can flame me if you must, but as much as I like the electronic stuff, if you ask me their earlier guitar-based material was actually more experimental =for its time= than the synthesized stuff they did later... By the time Manscape and The First Letter came out there were lots of bands working those same basic angles, but when I first heard 154 it sounded like nothing I'd ever heard before. Of course I'm not saying people who prefer The First Letter etc. are wrong for doing so, but to imply that the early albums weren't experimental just because they used more "traditional" rock instrumentation (rather than electronics?) just seems kinda silly. Then again, maybe he didn't really mean to imply that. (And if this puts me in Category B, so be it.) John Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:19:17 +0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: O.K., maybe it is just me... In my original comments( "Is it just me?"), I guess I didn't make it clear when I said I didn't like"New Electronic", what I specifically meant is Techno and it's many offshoots. I've listened to it long and hard for five years now, tons of stuff from the Astralwerks label and many others. I listened to the House music that lead up to Techno, I used to do a radio show called "The First Hour" on WRNR in Annapolis MD where I played a portion of my show every Sunday night specifically consisting of Techno. But as time has passed I became more and more bored with it. With the exceptions of Seefeel, FSOL, and The Orb, I can't think of a note of it that I'll ever go back and listen to again. Do you find yourself referring back to old great records from years past? How 'bout your Techno? Any body dying to hear old Freaky Chakra,now? That's my real issue. Money spent. Brain space wasted. No great redeeming value to me. Don't dance. One writer mentioned that I sounded like someone "Who's heard too much music", and I may be. I'm constantly searching for new thrill, and my point was that I didn't seem to be getting it any longer from my friends in Wire. I didn't mean it as some huge statement. Just a statement of fact for me. I really was curious if it was just me(which it turns out, it wasn't). Having said all that, here's some stuff I do feel passionately about- Cornelius:Fantasma. Japanese guy that samples everything, but somehow keeps the clutter out. My Bloodybeachboys-ish. Sonic Youth:a thousand leaves. Chaotic and quiet. Skip tracks 1, 3, 9 and 11 and you've got a great record. Tortoise:TNT. My current fave. Very organic sounding considering that the "Jams " are actually put together through meticulous editing on a sequencer. All instrumental, sneaky. Beautiful. The Sweet hereafter:Soundtrack. Lovely Celtic folk soundtrack to a very sad movie. Music is equally sad. Includes a Jane Sieberry cover. to roccoco rot:Paris 25 E.P. Chilly German ELECTRONIC music. You can hear the hearts beating. Pell Mell:Star City. Instrumental. Reminds me of a cleaned up "154", sans vocals. Elliott Smith:either/or. Pure gentle pop for now people. Moby:I like to score. Once again, listen to that heart beat. Colin Newman:Bastard. Maybe it's the presence of his guitar, but this one works for me. Good for cleaning the house. Stereolab:Dots and loops. Another great tribute to Neu! ,French pop, and the Velvet Underground. Harmonia 76. Eno's best release in years. Oh, it's 21 years old? I hope other people will post their current faves, cause I'm always on the lookout for my next favorite. Thanks for your kind indulgence, Mike Edwards ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:03:41 EDT From: Audiochrom@aol.com Subject: Re: Traditional in relation to...? In a message dated 6/19/98 4:02:05 PM, jh3@alternatech.net wrote: <<>How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of >"Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those >"Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??!>> Count this head for "A" audiochrom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:26:23 EDT From: CliveNice@aol.com Subject: Head count.. How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of "Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those "Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! I favor a mixture of pop (not necessarily rock) and experimentation. More of one than the other gets boring (to me). p.s. Where's Robert Gotobed? Has he released anything, aside from his collaborations with Wire and associated projects? Robert. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:33:11 -0400 From: Creaig Dunton Subject: Re: Head count.. CliveNice@aol.com wrote: > How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of > "Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those > "Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! > Hmm...I guess I'd favor a medium between the two. I'm not sure what end I'd be on really, my fav. discs would be _154_, _Ideal Copy_ and _Bell is a Cup_. Wire's probably the poppiest stuff I listen to..I have to have something to counter my numerous spinnings of Main, Whitehouse, and the Incapacitants ;) - -- Creaig D http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> 2nd Floor Mafia Productions http://2fmp.hypermart.net/mypage/ -> My Page http://fpc.hypermart.net -> False Prophet Campaign ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:37:56 EDT From: CliveNice@aol.com Subject: A-Z I just bought A-Z, it has been re-released by Beggars Banquet (on cd of course). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:03:19 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Subject: Re: Head count.. Creaig Dunton wrote: Hmm...I guess I'd favor a medium between the two. I'm not sure what end I'd be > on really, my fav. discs would be _154_, _Ideal Copy_ and _Bell is a > Cup_. > Wire's probably the poppiest stuff I listen to..I have to have > something to > counter my numerous spinnings of Main, Whitehouse, and the > Incapacitants ;) Me too ... I listen to a lot of Whitehouse, Incapacitants, Merzbow ... experimental and improvised musics in general. I find that I usually have listening phases where I'll listen to harsh noise ect. for a month and then go back to listening to the more pop orientated stuff for a while. They cleanse the listening palate for each other. By the way, have you heard the new Whitehouse? I can't seem to find it anywhere ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:03:42 -0400 From: Creaig Dunton Subject: Re: Head count.. Matthew Turner wrote: > Me too ... I listen to a lot of Whitehouse, Incapacitants, Merzbow ... > experimental and improvised musics in general. I find that I usually > have listening phases where I'll listen to harsh noise ect. for a month > and then go back to listening to the more pop orientated stuff for a > while. They cleanse the listening palate for each other. By the way, > have you heard the new Whitehouse? I can't seem to find it anywhere ... Hmm...I'm almost the exact same way. Last month was mostly harsh noise (as has been part of this month), now I'm listening to a lot of Joy Division, Killing Joke, and Wire (who get spun throughout nearly every phase). As for the new Whitehouse, it's genius. Much harsher than _Quality Time_...supposedly more digital synths and production were used. On all but about 1 of the tracks, the vocals are mixed rather low (though the lyric booklet helps greatly). The only let down is that nearly half of the disc (20 minutes) is just sampled soundbites of vicitims of various crimes...other than that, it's great. If you can't find it, check http://home.earthlink.net/~loaf/ He's got it for sale for $17 shipped. - -- Creaig D http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> 2nd Floor Mafia Productions http://2fmp.hypermart.net/mypage/ -> My Page http://fpc.hypermart.net -> False Prophet Campaign ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 01:28:45 +0100 From: "Jim Mortleman" Subject: Re: Head count.. >How about a head count as well - a) for all those in favour of >"Experimentalism" or the wierd side of Wire. and B) for those >"Traditionalists" who are still digging the Rock thang.??! I suppose I'm mostly an 'A'. I also like cryptic puzzles, and I think there's a parallel here - I like the challenge of 'decoding' something, which a lot of Wire's stuff offers (although 'decoding' implies some systematic analysis - what I'm talking about is an intuitive process which leads to a richer, multi-levelled listening experience). Having said that, I'm also a sucker for a good tune. There are occasions when only "Outdoor Miner" or The The's "Uncertain Smile" will satisfy my musical craving - and Cupol, Dome, Non et al stay firmly in the CD rack! Incidentally, I read (in Re:Search, I think) that New York white noise king Boyd Rice (a.k.a. Non) suffers a similar schizophrenia - he has a big thing for cheesy sixties songstresses. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #58 ******************************