From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #53 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Drill ["Robbin" ] A Miner Question: [Eric Scott ] Re: A Miner Question: [] Re: A Miner Question: [Matthew Turner ] Re: ? [Thom Heileson ] Re: A Miner Question: [Creaig Dunton ] Re: ? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] I've Fall-en and I Can't Get Up [Miles Goosens ] Re: ?/Wire + The Fall? [Snarlo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:04:03 -0400 From: "Robbin" Subject: Re: The Drill This is strange to hear. For years I've always seen teh new Wire stuff in the cut-out bins. Btw, does anyone have a cdr or dat and can trade some copies of Wire singles (and exploded views cd) with me. I don't really have any wire but lots of other stuff. Thanks - -----Original Message----- From: Creaig Dunton To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Drill > > >Billy D wrote: > >> Just picked up a copy of 'The Drill' for $3.00 in a cut out bin. >> Haven't had that cd for a while as it was stolen years ago. >> I did buy 'Coatings' about two months ago. Didn't get the 'Ambitious' >> companion yet. >> It's pretty hard to replace these cds once they go out of print... > >Anyone else looking for some out of print Wire stuff may want to check >MusikWeb (http://www.musikweb.com). If I'm not mistaken, they've got _A >Bell is a Cup_, _IBTABA_, _Manscape_ and _Drill_ for like $6 each. Wish >I would have known about that before I paid $15 for a used copy of _Bell_ >a month or two ago... >-- >Creaig D >http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> 2nd Floor Mafia Productions >http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> My Page >http://fpc.hypermart.net -> False Prophet Campaign > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:05:07 +0000 From: Eric Scott Subject: A Miner Question: Hello List, I have an "Outdoor Miner" question: That marvelous version with piano solo (the single release, as opposed to the Chairs Missing version, which is conspicuously shorter...) I remember this from a while back... from that German Sneaky Pete compilation, "And Here It Is Again...Wire"... ...Has that version of the song ever been out on CD? To anyone who owns the "On Returning" CD...is it on this disc, or available anywhere else? Thanks folks, Eric Scott ericscott@dayfornight.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:15:04 -0400 From: Subject: Re: A Miner Question: >I have an "Outdoor Miner" question: > >That marvelous version with piano solo (the single release, as opposed >to the Chairs Missing version, which is conspicuously shorter...) >I remember this from a while back... from that German Sneaky Pete >compilation, "And Here It Is Again...Wire"... > >...Has that version of the song ever been out on CD? > >To anyone who owns the "On Returning" CD...is it on this disc, or >available anywhere else? Yes, this longer version is on the CD. Eric auteur@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:27:24 -0600 From: Matthew Turner Subject: Re: A Miner Question: There is the Japanese version of "Chairs Missing" that has both versions as well as a number of live versions of songs from "154" ... oddly enough. I think that it's the long version on "On Returning", but I'm not sure. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:53:38 -0800 From: Thom Heileson Subject: Re: ? In Esse is the most recent album by Bruce Gilbert. Very experimental, "noisier" than most of Bruce's solo work. I like it, but it hasn't "taken off" for me as smoothly as Bruce's other work. Thom penumbra wrote: > What is "In Esse", a compilation? > -- > "I've done...questionable things":Roy Batty in BLADERUNNER - -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson University of Washington School of Art Center for Advanced Research Technology in the Arts and Humanities [CARTAH] 206.543.4218 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:57:58 -0400 From: Creaig Dunton Subject: Re: A Miner Question: Matthew Turner wrote: > There is the Japanese version of "Chairs Missing" that has both versions > as well as a number of live versions of songs from "154" ... oddly > enough. I think that it's the long version on "On Returning", but I'm > not sure. I think the Japanese versions of the first three discs bascially contain the _Behind the Curtain_ compliation spread out among them. Seems they're easier to come by these days than _BtC_ is... - -- Creaig D http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> 2nd Floor Mafia Productions http://2fmp.hypermart.net/mypage/ -> My Page http://fpc.hypermart.net -> False Prophet Campaign ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:41:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: ? On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Alex Wise wrote: > Hello, > > Anybody there? A few of us - in the time-honored tradition of another list Miles, Aaron, myself, and I suspect a few others are on, I'm attempting to jump-start a thread about...another band entirely. Specifically, Miles has just discovered The Fall, and so I put it to you that despite some pretty obvious and significant musical distance between Wire and The Fall, I bet there's a fairly large Fall-fan contingent here on the Wire list. No? Yes? Why or why not? (i.e, talk about it!) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n Department of English http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:01:03 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: I've Fall-en and I Can't Get Up At 09:41 PM 6/14/98 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Specifically, Miles has just discovered The Fall, More specifically, I've just come to like them. I won't bore the list with the whole story, but when I was 18, I got WONDERFUL AND FRIGHTENING WORLD OF..., didn't like it. Heard the Fall's incredibly bored cover of "Victoria" a few years later, hated it. But since I bought 458489 A SIDES on June 3rd, I don't think I've listened to anything else. later, Miles =============================================================== "Gettin' piss-drunk, givin' the players a hard time, throwin' a chicken bone at the cop - that's what baseball is all about." -- a lout from Cleveland two rows in front of me at a Tigers game, waxing rhapsodic about how Indians games used to be Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles =============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:50:33 -0700 From: Chad Wilson Subject: RE: The Drill You can get exploded views from WMO (I think) and definately at CDNOW.COM. I would buy it if for no other reason, the book that comes with it.... now CN1 by Colin Newman, there is a cd we might as well start burning for people!!! ;-) I will trade a burn for some Wire / He Said vidoes! hehe... Chad - -----Original Message----- From: Robbin [SMTP:imel1@home.com] Sent: Sunday, June 14, 1998 1:04 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: The Drill This is strange to hear. For years I've always seen teh new Wire stuff in the cut-out bins. Btw, does anyone have a cdr or dat and can trade some copies of Wire singles (and exploded views cd) with me. I don't really have any wire but lots of other stuff. Thanks - -----Original Message----- From: Creaig Dunton To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Drill > > >Billy D wrote: > >> Just picked up a copy of 'The Drill' for $3.00 in a cut out bin. >> Haven't had that cd for a while as it was stolen years ago. >> I did buy 'Coatings' about two months ago. Didn't get the 'Ambitious' >> companion yet. >> It's pretty hard to replace these cds once they go out of print... > >Anyone else looking for some out of print Wire stuff may want to check >MusikWeb (http://www.musikweb.com). If I'm not mistaken, they've got _A >Bell is a Cup_, _IBTABA_, _Manscape_ and _Drill_ for like $6 each. Wish >I would have known about that before I paid $15 for a used copy of _Bell_ >a month or two ago... >-- >Creaig D >http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> 2nd Floor Mafia Productions >http://2fmp.hypermart.net -> My Page >http://fpc.hypermart.net -> False Prophet Campaign > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:04:45 -0700 From: Snarlo Subject: Re: ?/Wire + The Fall? At 09:41 PM 6/14/98 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Alex Wise wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Anybody there? > >A few of us - in the time-honored tradition of another list Miles, Aaron, >myself, and I suspect a few others are on, I'm attempting to jump-start a >thread about...another band entirely. > >Specifically, Miles has just discovered The Fall, and so I put it to you >that despite some pretty obvious and significant musical distance between >Wire and The Fall, I bet there's a fairly large Fall-fan contingent here >on the Wire list. > >No? Yes? Why or why not? (i.e, talk about it!) OK, there are more of us out here...this is my first posting to this list since subbing about 2 or 3 weeks ago, and I must state that I am both a Wire and Fall obsessive! Just today I was looking at my cd shelves, and lo and behold, there were 14 Fall discs staring at me! As stated above, I'd love to find some very real connection historically between these two bands, but I'm at a loss. Whereas Wire have their relatively limited output due to their 1st and most recent break-ups, the Fall are just unbelievably prolific--and I'd say pretty consistent in quality. Even their last album, "Masquerade", is pretty interesing and fun...and I guess the one thin connection between The Fall and Wire is that Mark E. Smith, like Colin, Bruce & Graham did way back circa 1979-1980, has finally embraced electronics quite significantly in various albums of the 90's ("Code: Selfish", "Infotainment Scam", and the most recent). I've rambled quite enough now. OK, I found the connection between Wire & The Fall! Colin Newman produced the Virgin Prunes' first lp, "If I Die, I Die"...the Virgin Prunes' vocalist was Gavin Friday, who was a guest vocalist on the album "The Wonderful & Frightening World of The Fall" (he sings on "Copped It" & also "Slang King" if I recall without going to the cd). Good night (or evening), Peter ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #53 ******************************