From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #36 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 036 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Manscape vs. The First Letter [#rciscon ] Wire Exhibition ["Mark McQuitty" ] Re: Wire Exhibition [Andrew N Westmeyer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 14:40:39 -0500 From: #rciscon Subject: Re: Manscape vs. The First Letter >Recent posts have put the case for The First letter being >a refinement of the techniques used on Manscape. > >I would argue that the music on Manscape is superior to that >on TFL. I have to disagree completely. With the possible exception of 'Torch It', I can't think of or hum a single other tune from 'Manscape'. Right now as I'm typing this, I can remember the hooks from about 3/4's of the songs from 'The First Letter'. While 'Manscape' was interesting as a musical experiment, I don't think it was 'musically' sucessful to my ears. >TFL has some fine moments (Footsi, Ticking Mouth, >So And Slow it Grows). But much of the album has an uninvolving >and unrelenting feel, due in part to the lack of rhythmic invention. >Perhaps this has something to do with Robert's absence. > Again I disagree with your comments on rhythmic invention. On 'Manscape' the vast majority of drum tracks were obviously programmed patterns. On 'The First Letter', the rhythm seems to me to be much more varied and expressive. The drum track on 'It Continues' is one of my personal favorites. As for Robert Gotobed's talents on the drums, I think that they were most apparent in earlier Wire recordings and live situations. My single favorite work from Robert is the 'IBTABA' version of 'Finest Drops'..... a truly fantastic work. >The fact that Wir did not produce a full-length follow up to TFL >suggests that they were not entirely happy with its >direction, and didn't want to pursue it. > > I'm also not sure that there was no follow up to Wir because of the reasons you state. I always thought that the guys decided that it was time to part ways again. We can always hope that they get the itch to get back together again! Ray Ciscon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:26:44 +0100 From: "Mark McQuitty" Subject: Wire Exhibition This is my first post to the list and as I only joined today I don't know if it's been discussed before, but I just learnt from WMO newsletter of a Wire exhibition in London in May. Has anyone got any details about the show or events. This must be the most essential Wire related event for some time. I can't wait! Is there an archive of previous digests? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:07:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: Wire Exhibition Excerpts from mail: 20-Apr-98 Wire Exhibition by "Mark McQuitty"@virgin.n > but I just learnt from WMO newsletter of a > Wire exhibition in London in May. Has anyone got any details about the show > or events. All I know is what's in the newsletter. Unfortunately, I can't make it to the exhibit. But if anyone on this list does go, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take some pictures for the rest of us!!! I'd love to get them on the web page. For those of you in the UK, you have no excuse for not attending. May will be one of those months for which I wish my forefathers (and - -mothers) missed the Mayflower. :) (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "What a blessing that so much of humanity is able to be alive at the same time as myself." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #36 ******************************