From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #20 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #19 [Yoshi matsumoto ] Re: "I Am the Fly" [Aaron Mandel ] Re: "I Am the Fly" [stevenl@comtrol.com (Steve Loubert)] it makes you can [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: Wire covers [Steve Boismaison ] Re: Wire covers [Stewart Mason ] Re: Answers ["Mitchell Dickerman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 22:49:09 +0900 From: Yoshi matsumoto Subject: Re: idealcopy-digest V1 #19 >Wire albums don't sell very much at all. Take that from the horse's (well >WMO's) mouth. It's a shame sometime. ...snip... >With the P'o album - when we (WMO) have the money to do it. THe Good news is >that it is mastered and the artwork is being rejigged by Dave Coppenhall. SO >the parts are done. Again, read above - Wire don't sell many records... >Running a record label isn't what most people think it is! I don't mean to >whine, but it would be very enlightening for most record buyers to >understand. > >This is why the mail order is important. If say 1000 people would order the >P'o album over the internet, then it would be a different story - Truth is >maybe 30 people will. >Now let's have some discussion about that! Yes. Myself, I own most WMO releases, but I have not purchased one release via WMO. The reason is that I live in Japan, and cannot send a personal check in US dollars... Now, hearing the situation I may try to figure out a way to order directly... I understand that it is difficult to set up a credit card ordering system for the 30 orders you currently receive with each order, but I can assure you that I for one would choose to order direct if I could order online. I do wonder how many other people experience something similar? Or, I wonder what the subscription population of this mailing list is like? Speaking of remixes... I once saw an analog-sized (I think) cardboard packaging CD of either Manscape or Drill, a sticker mentioned a 'dance mix' bonus track of some tune. I've never seen the thing or any info on it anywhere including Mute's own site... Anyone own this one? > Also not on _Coatings_ are various alternate versions/mixes from their > Mute-era CD singles. Are any of these really worth tracking down? I thought that German Shepherds and Ambitious on the Silk Skin Paws CD single were very good (I'd go out and buy it again). The CD single consists of all alternative takes or remixes (good ones too), so I think the release is worth the $$. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Grass doesn't grow on busy streets. -Edvard Graham Lewis * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Yoshi Matsumoto email: liminal@st.rim.or.jp web: http://www.at-m.or.jp/~liminal * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:32:18 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: "I Am the Fly" On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey wrote: > The version of this on my CD (EMI Harvest CD HAR 2) has a nasty dropout at > 1:37. Is this common to all versions extant of this track, or just this > particular issue? my harvest CD has it. On Returning doesn't. no other data here. as an impressionable 14-year-old i had the idea that the dropout was intentionally added as a way of marking the exact center of the album. i'm sure at some point i checked the times and it was nothing of the sort, but i still think of that when i hear the song. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:28:58 -0600 From: stevenl@comtrol.com (Steve Loubert) Subject: Re: "I Am the Fly" Jeffrey Norman wrote: >The version of this on my CD (EMI Harvest CD HAR 2) has a nasty dropout at >1:37. Is this common to all versions extant of this track, or just this >particular issue? Mine has the same problem. It was one of the first CD's I ever bought. The version on my copy of "On Returning" is clean. **----------------------------------------------------------------** Steve Loubert stevenl@comtrol.com "We drink the ashes of our dead in a banana stew." Yanomamo warrior **----------------------------------------------------------------** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: it makes you can I updated the web page again today. The big changes are the addition of more pictures (I think the only ones missing are the baby pictures of the band!) and an updated list of cover versions. Thanks to everyone who helped on that. Just when I thought I had them all, I have to track down 7" albums by unsigned punk bands in the boonies of Pennsylvania... :) (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu queue@asu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "What a blessing that so much of humanity is able to be alive at the same time as myself." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:21:23 +0100 From: Steve Boismaison Subject: Re: Wire covers Andrew said: >I'm trying to collect all of the covers of Wire songs. I nearly had >them all when I heard about several more, which was both exciting and >frustrating at the same time! At the end of this email is the current >list of 26 songs; I haven't put it on the web page yet. Please let me >know if you know about any more! Thanks. The only extra I can come up with is: Ruth's Refrigerator - "Outdoor Miner" on their 1991 LP "A Lizard is a Submarine on Grass" (Madagascar Records MADA 020). I also seem to recall The Keatons doing 3 Girl Rhumba live but don't think it made it to record. Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:27:08 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Wire covers At 11:21 PM 3/27/98 +0100, Steve Boismaison wrote: >The only extra I can come up with is: > >Ruth's Refrigerator - "Outdoor Miner" on their 1991 LP "A Lizard is a Submarine on Grass" (Madagascar Records MADA 020). This reminds me that Ruth's Refrigerator guitarist/songwriter Alan Jenkins' former partner in The Chrysanthemums, Yukio Yung, has regularly called Wire his favorite group ever. I know Yukio has recorded at least one Wire cover over the years, but I'll have to ask him what and where it is. (Quick disclaimer/plug: Yukio Yung and his new group, Chrys&themums, are signed to my label, Flamingo Records.) Stewart *****************************FLAMINGO RECORDS**************************** Stewart Mason | Flamingo Records | Box 40172 | "Tap-tap-tap-GLUMP, right?" Albuquerque NM 87196 | www.rt66.com/~flamingo | ************************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE********************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:13:19 -0500 From: "Mitchell Dickerman" Subject: Re: Answers >From: "charles / wmo" >You're missing out on "The First Letter", which is one of the most >under-rated Wire albums of all time. Sans Colin, the band were very happy >with this work. You're probably right. By no means am I writing off the last 10 years of their collective work. I've often found that I just wasn't ready for certain material, and years later it clicked. I need to borrow it from my friend again. I also need to periodically review the Dome/Duet Emmo stuff as well. I listened to Graham's latest _Pre->He_ and thought about half was quite good and half just wasn't interesting. >Wire NEVER made any money off of EMI, in fact they haven't received a >royalty check from them in over 10 years. This is a terrible truth and one >that should be realized by all. Is this right?! God, I knew the music business was set up for everyone to make money except the artists, but this is downright criminal. >Running a record label isn't what most people think it is! I don't mean to >whine, but it would be very enlightening for most record buyers to >understand. Definitely enlighten us! I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had grandious thoughts about how wonderful it would be to hook up with their favorite artists and help them spread the word. >From: Aaron Mandel >the only ones i've heard, i think, are the remixes of "Life In The >Manscape" that originally went with "Who Has Nine?" and "Gravity Workshop" >(two of my favorite Manscape songs, those are). Those ARE very good tracks, aren't they? Why in heavens they left them off the album is a mystery. "Torch It", though, is bloody marvellous. >nice to see you here, mitch... Cheers to a fellow Fall and Game Theory fan... >From: Andrew N Westmeyer >Check out the listings and see if anything interests you. If you want >anything, just send me some blank tapes and I'll fill them up. Wooo, watch out what you offer! I, for one, will definitely take you up on this. A great gesture! I pull out Colin's solo albums quite a bit as well, though I must admit I think I've fallen asleep while listening to _Not To/Provisionally Entitled_ the last few times I've had it one. And I'll never forget how great I thought the He Said albums were the first time I heard them. I pulled out _Take Care_ recently and marvelled at how well its aged. Mitch ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #20 ******************************