From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V1 #18 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 018 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Shivering Man [Miles Goosens ] Bursting with questions... ["Mitchell Dickerman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:11:31 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: The Shivering Man At 07:11 PM 3/20/98 -0600, flaherty michael w wrote: >Thanks for all the comments regarding This Way, but what I was really >looking for is someone to tell me about the track that's not on the >reissue. Anyone heard it? What's it like? (That it's hard to find I >know from experience.) I got my latest WMO package yesterday (thanks, Charles), which contained COATINGS and THIS WAY TO THE SHIVERING MAN, and I was kinda disappointed not to see all of THE SHIVERING MAN on the CD. Granted, my original SHIVERING MAN was a tape dub from a friend who owned the vinyl, but it looks like "Net in the Feather," "There Are," and "Eline Cout II" were left out. Andrew is right; we need another odds 'n' ends comp to gather up the Wire-related goodies that have so far evaded CD release. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:17:48 -0500 From: "Mitchell Dickerman" Subject: Bursting with questions... 1) I got into Wire via _The Ideal Copy_ and very shortly after that _A Bell Is A Cup_. It was ahead of its time in 1987, and I still don't think anyone's caught up to them. Listening to _Coatings_, I feel it's still vital and relevant today. It took me ages, however, to get into their 70's work. I had a copy of _On Returning_ and felt content. But one day I saw the Japanese versions of their first 3 albums, which contain all of _Behind The Curtain_ spread across them. I decided to take a chance and lo and behold, I had an epiphany of their greatness! Some days I just want to listen to nothing but Wire and their related projects. I must admit, though, that I haven't been interested in what they've been doing (together or solo) since _Manscape_. I've heard Colin's new album and it just doesn't do anything for me, and I've heard bits of Graham and Bruce's solo stuff and, well, I wasn't into their Dome-era stuff either. Ah well! 2) For such a seminal, often-cited band like Wire, isn't it strange that it took so long to get a mailing list going? I'm glad it's here now, though. My friend and I were just talking about how few people we know who really love Wire like us, so it's nice to have a forum! Don't you wonder how many copies of each album they've sold? I mean after 20 years, how many people have heard _Pink Flag_. 20,000? 50,000? It's nice to think they've gotten some cash from REM & Elastica and Colin got some from "Silence Of The Lambs" 3) Regarding the decision to leave their live b-sides off of _Coatings_: Boo! I think the live version of "Eardrum Buzz" on the 12" is blistering! I, for one, would absolutely POUNCE on a double disc of, say, a concert from 1978 and one from 1988. It'd be a great representation of both incarnations of Wire. Also not on _Coatings_ are various alternate versions/mixes from their Mute-era CD singles. Are any of these really worth tracking down? 4) Any idea when the P'o reissue is coming out? I mean besides 'soon'. Ditto for the Colin Newman solo rarities disc? 5) I was just thinking about bands that had 3 incredible 10/10 albums in a row (not including compilations or live albums), and arguably Wire had the BEST three in a row. For me the list I came up with was: 1. Wire: Pink Flag / Chairs Missing / 154 2. The Chameleons: Script Of The Bridge / What Does Anything Mean Basically / Strange Times 3. The Replacements: Let It Be / Tim / Pleased To Meet Me 4. The Comsat Angels: Waiting For A Miracle / Sleep No More / Fiction 5. Robyn Hitchcock: I Often Dream Of Trains / Fegmania / Element Of Light 6) Who else do you think of when you think of Wire? I would argue that at least two bands compare in their similar deconstruction of a musical style: Wire took punk apart and put it back together in an altogether different manner. Mission Of Burma took apart hardcore in a similar way and created something very different. They get labeled with the "art-punk" tag alot, just like Wire do. Gang of Four took funk apart and also created a unique sound. Their debut _Entertainment_ is unlike anything I've ever heard. I also think of the Fall, but not because of anything obvious. Maybe it's because they're another anti-rock band or however you want to think of their angular rock led by a man who CAN'T sing but entrances me nonetheless. 7) Is there anything on bootlegs worth tracking down? Was there much stuff left off of _Behind The Curtain_ worth hearing? _Turns & Strokes_ is pretty barrel-bottom scraping, so I'm guessing no. 8) Anyone else catch the Colin Newman interview where he sort of goes after the interviewer? I thought he came across as very dismissive of anyone who wasn't into the stuff he was doing today. 9) I remember hearing something about Kevin Eden released a new edition of "Everybody Loves A History". Any truth to this? Phew. I emptied my brain. Mitch ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V1 #18 ******************************