From: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org (hotcakes-digest) To: hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Subject: hotcakes-digest V2 #27 Reply-To: hotcakes@smoe.org Sender: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk hotcakes-digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Who are you? [SOTO ARES Gustavo ] I read this ... ... [Margarita Leal ] how it works [catman ] Re: how it works ["Quentin Johnson" ] Re: how it works [catman ] Re: how it works ["Quentin Johnson" ] Many [Margarita Leal ] Re: how it works [catman ] Re: Many [catman ] how it works? ["Renata Cristina Bastos de Paiva" ] Re: Many ["Quentin Johnson" ] RE: Many [Margarita Leal ] Re: Many [catman ] Re: Many [catman ] Re: Many [catman ] Carly selling Boston Townhome [Whydja@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:05:10 +0100 From: SOTO ARES Gustavo Subject: Who are you? Hello everybody !! I don't hear you anymore and I wonder why. I hope you feel fine. Can anyone tell me who is Robin from the album No secrets? I like "The right thing to do" and "When you close your eyes" BW, Gus. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:15:18 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: I read this ... ... And here are some things that I have learned and probably you too, but sometimes a reminder is what we need.....with love for the process we endure... I've learned- that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is be someone who can be loved. The rest is up to them. I've learned- that no matter how much I care, some people just don't care back. I've learned- that it takes years to build up trust, and only seconds to destroy it. I've learned- that it's not what you have in your life but who you have in your life that counts. I've learned- that you can get by on charm for about fifteen minutes. After that, you'd better know something. I've learned- that you shouldn't compare yourself to the best others can do. I've learned- that you can do something in an instant that will give you heartache for life. I've learned- that it's taking me a long time to become the person I want to be. I've learned- that you should always leave loved ones with loving words. It may be the last time you see them. I've learned- that you can keep going long after you can't. I've learned- that we are responsible for what we do, no matter how we feel. I've learned- that either you control your attitude or it controls you. I've learned- that regardless of how hot and steamy a relationship is at first, the passion fades and there had better be something else to take its place. I've learned- that heroes are the people who do what has to be done when it needs to be done, regardless of the consequences. I've learned- that money is a lousy way of keeping score. I've learned- that my best friend and I can do anything or nothing and have the best time. I've learned- that sometimes the people you expect to kick you when you're down will be the ones to help you get back up. I've learned- that sometimes when I'm angry I have the right to be angry, but that doesn't give me the right to be cruel. I've learned- that true friendship continues to grow, even over the longest distance. Same goes for true love. I've learned- that just because someone doesn't love you the way you want them to, doesn't mean they don't love you with all they have. I've learned- that maturity has more to do with what types of experiences you've had and what you've learned from them and less to do with how many birthdays you've celebrated. I've learned- that you should never tell a child their dreams are unlikely or outlandish. Few things are more humiliating, and what a tragedy it would be if they believed it. I've learned- that your family won't always be there for you. It may seem funny, but people you aren't related to can take care of you and love you and teach you to trust people again. Families aren't biological. I've learned- that no matter how good a friend is, they're going to hurt you every once in a while and you must forgive them for that. I've learned- that it isn't always enough to be forgiven by others. Sometimes you are to learn to forgive yourself. I've learned- that no matter how bad your heart is broken the world doesn't stop for your grief. I've learned- that our background and circumstances may have influenced who we are, but we are responsible for who we become. I've learned- that just because two people argue, it doesn't mean they don't love each other, and just because they don't argue, it doesn't mean they do. I've learned- that we don't have to change friends if we understand that friends change. I've learned- that you shouldn't be so eager to find out a secret. It could change your life forever. I've learned- that two people can look at the exact same thing and see something totally different. I've learned- that no matter how you try to protect your children, they will eventually get hurt and you will hurt in the process. I've learned- that your life can be changed in a matter of hours by people who don't even know you. I've learned- that even when you think you have no more to give, when a friend cries out to you, you will find the strength to help. I've learned- that credentials on the wall do not make you a decent human being. I've learned- that the people you care about most in life are taken from you too soon. I've learned- that it's hard to determine where to draw the line between being nice and not hurting people's feelings and standing up for what you believe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:07:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: how it works i just had a letter of complaint from someone who chooses to get off this list. They have left because nothing is said here. This person did not contribute to any discussion nor did they start one. i have said it before and I will again. THIS LIST DOES NOT WORK IF WE ALL SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR OTHERS TO WRITE SOMETHING!!!!!! colin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:50:45 -0500 From: "Quentin Johnson" Subject: Re: how it works Hear ya C-man, How about this: I have been listening to _Hotcakes_ over and over again because i woke up one morning with "Safe and Sound" in my head. I guess my question would be this: Is there a certain Carly album that you have been listening to incessantly? Why? "the world's just inside out and upside down" Q ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:34:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: how it works catman wrote: > Definately Anticipation. I have played and played this album from 73 to the > present day. I never tire of it. it was my first Carly workk. > > By the way, when rplying to posts by me, please take me from the cc bit as I > alkready get 2 copies of every mail sent to the list and when I am cc'd I get > 3! > > bw > colin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:43:04 -0500 From: "Quentin Johnson" Subject: Re: how it works Colin: Ahhh. .. Anticipation is one of the three I don't own (four counting the rock-opera). .. Q ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:51:51 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: Many Hello Quentin and Colin and everyone else: Many years ago I played all the time the No Secrets album from the beginning (side A) thru the end (side B) since it was a LP... now I play it all the way 'cos is a CD. The No Secrets i did it for almost 14 years... well for many years it was the only Carly album that i had. Now, No Secrets is one of my favs but, on the other hand, the song Anticipation alone has been my all time favourite, maybe because i used to play it with my guitar and sing it in front of audiences in high school and during college also. Other Carly's songs i sang before audiences are You're So Vain and I Haven't Got Time For The Pain. It was only when i met my husband, abaut 6 years ago that i really got to know all the rest of Carly's work. He has all her albums and since that time i've been listening to all of them. The repetitions are like random, meaning i take Boys In The Trees and play it time and again for some weeks, then shift to Hello Big Man or Another Passenger, or maybe just the 2nd. CD from Clouds In My Coffee Box Set, because that is in parte made up with rare and unreleased songs... then i play all the 3 CDs... whatever! And also the videos, of course. See you e-friends... farew thee well, Margarita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:57:23 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: how it works The opera Romulus hunt, is not a rock opera but a bona fide opera! Quentin Johnson wrote: > Colin: > > Ahhh. .. Anticipation is one of the three I don't own (four counting the > rock-opera). .. > > Q - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:05:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Many The title track to Boys In The Trees is wondeful. I think the lines 'last night I slept in sheets the colour of fire tonight I lie alone again cursing my own desire sentenced at first to burn and then to freeze' are just brilliant. colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:36:35 -0200 From: "Renata Cristina Bastos de Paiva" Subject: how it works? Hi people, I listen Orpheus (from Hello Big Man Album) again and again and again. I just love this song! It makes me feel more sentimental. (oh, it sounds romantic! hehehe) Beijos, Renata Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:52:16 -0500 From: "Quentin Johnson" Subject: Re: Many >'last night I slept in sheets the colour of fire >tonight I lie alone again >cursing my own desire >sentenced at first to burn and then to freeze' >are just brilliant. > >colin Oh my God! Those lines completely, at the age of 16 or so, changed my whole outlook on sex and relationships and all. I mean, we all desire. I had just had my first homosexual experience and I was "in love" with a boy who them started dating this girl. I shunned love and my desires and tried to be str8 (ha!). To continue: "and live like a flower while the boys grow in the trees" That struck me. Because I knew that was not what I wanted. I knew it was not what the speaker of the song wanted. So. . .I found another boy, and then another and then another and then. .. well, you get the picture. I owe Carly for that song and those lines which made me realize that sexuality was something we all are gifted with, not just boys. .. or even str8 boys. .. (Who wants to live like a flower anyway? They die when it gets cold!) Quentin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:54:48 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: RE: Many Yeah, Colin... precisely those lines make me shiver all my spine. I feel very attracted also to the story told on Libby from Another Passenger... she tells such a beautiful experience Libby will go to Paris... ... and dance in the boulevards with an air of abandonairess... am i right or i'm getting it wrong? oh i don't have the words in here and don't remember... in English were my language i would have a better chance to remember, i guess! Hey, guys: have you seen a cartoon from Tex Avery with two wolfs, when the country wolf goes to the city to visit his cool cousin and looking forward to see a showgirl as seen on a pic the city cousin sent him along with the letter/invitation? Then, when they go to the night club and the country wolf sees the girl singing and moving he gets so excited so his eyes go out his eyeballs and he whistles, etc. That cartoon and other Tex Avery's are simply genial! Why that came to my mind? Oooops! So long. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 02:06:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Many Quentin Johnson wrote: > Oh my God! > > Those lines completely, at the age of 16 or so, changed my whole outlook on > sex and relationships and all. I mean, we all desire. I had just had my > first homosexual experience and I was "in love" with a boy who them started > dating this girl. I was also 16 when i first fell in love. His name was Ian. he was blonde and i thought at the time he was perfect. of course it broke my heart. That was when i really knew how different I was. i had no-one to share my sadness with. couldn't talk to anyone. Had Ian been a girl it would have been quite different and i would have had support from friends. > I shunned love and my desires and tried to be str8 (ha!). I know that one! > > > To continue: > > "and live like a flower > while the boys grow in the trees" > > That struck me. Because I knew that was not what I wanted. I knew it was not > what the speaker of the song wanted. So. . .I found another boy, and then > another and then another and then. .. well, you get the picture. Well i was very lucky. i didn't have that many-Ray, Ivan and tony till I met John at 22 and have been together with him ever since. 18 yrs on July 7th this year. > I owe Carly > for that song and those lines which made me realize that sexuality was > something we all are gifted with, not just boys. .. or even str8 boys. .. From 73 and for many years I felt carly was my only true friend who understood me! Ridiculous of course bu that is how it was. In my mind she was perfect and I didn't truly see her as ordinarily human. i do now which is a shame really. It would have been a nice fantasy to hang on to. Yet at the same time it is better to know that all people, no matter how talented, are just people. > > > (Who wants to live like a flower anyway? They die when it gets cold!) Or the y get plucked or cut or poisoned. And they don't live that long! bw colin > > > Quentin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 02:09:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Many yes Margerita-Libby is lovely. And no I think you describe the intent well. one could even say the danced with gay abondon on the streets of Paris! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 02:10:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Many Other 'love' songs I adore are Forever My Love Our First day together Lost in Your Love Waiting At The Gate Make Me Feel Something ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:41:20 EST From: Whydja@aol.com Subject: Carly selling Boston Townhome The Boston Globe reports that Carly is selling her townhome (after doing $1 million worth of renovation) and will be splitting her time between NYC and Martha's Vineyard. 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