From: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org (hotcakes-digest) To: hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Subject: hotcakes-digest V1 #87 Reply-To: hotcakes@smoe.org Sender: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk hotcakes-digest Saturday, December 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Carly On Arista ["Robert Minks" ] RE: Carly On Arista [Ana Lucia Schettini Elahel ] Carly link ["Manning, Thomas (Tom)" ] Re: Carly On Arista [catman ] Re: Carly On Arista ["Robert Minks" ] Re: Carly On Arista [SColl10248@aol.com] Re: Carly On Arista [SColl10248@aol.com] Re: Carly link ["Adel Perkins" ] Re: Carly On Arista ["Robert Minks" ] Re: Carly On Arista ["Adel Perkins" ] Re: Carly On Arista ["Adel Perkins" ] Jeff's Carly Tribute ["Adel Perkins" ] Re: Carly On Arista ["Adel Perkins" ] Re: Carly On Arista ["Adel Perkins" ] Carly compared to ... ? [Margarita Leal ] Re: Carly link [DBrown3991@aol.com] Re: Carly link ["Adel Perkins" ] Please stop [catman ] LIST REPLIES [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:42:39 PST From: "Robert Minks" Subject: Carly On Arista This information came to me by way of Arista and although she is still mentioned on their web site she is not on the label any longer- any label. Adel, I agree......I think this is selfish and I am afraid that if she does make music again she will sale it like her daughter Sally over the internet. But, I guess noone really remembers who Carly Simon is anyway (except us) so maybe it is best she is stopping now. Robert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:50:52 -0200 From: Ana Lucia Schettini Elahel Subject: RE: Carly On Arista Carly's legacy is so precious already, that we can only lament that she may be eventually quitting (who among us is not sad about this?), but never even suggest that she should think of us first. Like I've said before, I believe she still needs time to heel, to recharge, to rethink and redefine her priorities. For sure she hasn't lost her creativity and charisma, so, let's wait and see. A nice weekend to you all, Ana -----Original Message----- From: Robert Minks [SMTP:robminks@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 2:43 PM To: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Carly On Arista This information came to me by way of Arista and although she is still mentioned on their web site she is not on the label any longer- any label. Adel, I agree......I think this is selfish and I am afraid that if she does make music again she will sale it like her daughter Sally over the internet. But, I guess noone really remembers who Carly Simon is anyway (except us) so maybe it is best she is stopping now. Robert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:02:39 -0700 From: "Manning, Thomas (Tom)" Subject: Carly link Hi Everyone, Someone on the AOL board posted this link about their tribute to Carly. It has a very interesting interview with her posted on it. Enjoy! Tom > http://members.tripod.com/~Cimc95/carly.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 18:27:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly On Arista I find it very strange that fans of Carly would speak of her in this disrespectful manner. Carly is very well known-even here evryone knows who she is. The name Carly is now in common use for girls. As I said, carly let it be known that she signed a new contract. Robert Minks wrote: > This information came to me by way of Arista and although she is > still mentioned on their web site she is not on the label any longer- > any label. Adel, I agree......I think this is selfish and I am afraid > that if she does make music again she will sale it like her daughter > Sally over the internet. But, I guess noone really remembers who Carly > Simon is anyway (except us) so maybe it is best she is stopping now. > > Robert > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:07:44 PST From: "Robert Minks" Subject: Re: Carly On Arista I don't think anyone needs to be passing judgements on anyone else's opinions around here. Obviously, we all love Carly or we would not be on this e-mail list. If you are in the UK, you can make yourself useful to us by reporting on the "Nobody Does It Better" Best Of Cd. Rob >From catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 4 10:45:53 1998 >Received: from [158.152.87.112] (helo=ethericcats.demon.co.uk) > by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.054 #1) > id 0zlzx7-0000jg-00; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:27:41 +0000 >Message-ID: <3668298B.AB67B9AD@ethericcats.demon.co.uk> >Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 18:27:24 +0000 >From: catman >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Robert Minks >CC: hotcakes@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Carly On Arista >References: <19981204164239.4090.qmail@hotmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >I find it very strange that fans of Carly would speak of her in this >disrespectful manner. Carly is very well known-even here evryone knows who >she is. The name Carly is now in common use for girls. >As I said, carly let it be known that she signed a new contract. > >Robert Minks wrote: > >> This information came to me by way of Arista and although she is >> still mentioned on their web site she is not on the label any longer- >> any label. Adel, I agree......I think this is selfish and I am afraid >> that if she does make music again she will sale it like her daughter >> Sally over the internet. But, I guess noone really remembers who Carly >> Simon is anyway (except us) so maybe it is best she is stopping now. >> >> Robert >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html >TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:10:41 EST From: SColl10248@aol.com Subject: Re: Carly On Arista Okay here goes again, I hope this message doesn't come through too many times - - I didn't send it out right the first time: I am basically a reader of this list and am very disappointed that some fans would stoop to calling Carly selfish when and if she decides not to make music anymore. It is her perogative to do as she pleases and I will still entertain myself with everything she has made to date but I would be surprised if she did in fact quit making music. So what if she decides to market her music the same way Sally did? As long as I can get my hands on it, I don't care. As far as nobody knowing who Carly is, this is ridiculous. Carly will go down in history as one of the all time greats. She has given so much to the world already. Sue Robert then e-mailed this to me: Sue: With all due respect, you are obviously someone around Carly's age if you think everyone knows who she is. I have been a fan of Carly's for about 10 years and I had no idea, how old she was- i.e., old enough to be at risk for breast cancer, have grown children and THEN be ready to retire from making music. I have lined that woman's pockets for the past ten years and the thought that she can just suddenly DECIDE not to make albums anymore is just infuriating. I never would have become a fan if I had known she was so old and sick. But, at least I have all the albums that she has ever made now to enjoy. All My Best, Rob Here is my reply: Dear Rob: I didn't realize that age was a prerequisite for cancer, grown children or the retirement of a musician/singer. You do contradict yourself Rob. First you complain about all the money you've spent on Carly's music and then you turn around and are thankful that you at least have all of her albums to enjoy. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:12:34 EST From: SColl10248@aol.com Subject: Re: Carly On Arista In a message dated 98-12-04 15:10:43 EST, robminks@hotmail.com writes: << I don't think anyone needs to be passing judgements on anyone else's opinions around here. >> Robbie: So it's ok for you to pass judgements on Carly but we aren't allowed to pass judgements on your opinions? Hmmmmm? What's wrong with this picture? Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:15:44 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Re: Carly link I think that is very interesting stuff too. A friend of mine told me that the person (Jeff) who set up that webpage really made Carly very angry with him. Apparently, she doesn't like people commenting on her sickness and when she found out he had a whole webpage about it, she blew up. I had corresponded with Jeff a long time ago because I had really loved his tribute to Carly (back when I thought I was the *only* one who really still loved Carly! Boy was I wrong!!!!) and he told me of some other problem he had had. Apparently, he had published a picture of a grossly unattractive woman who was simply a fan of Carly's. The picture had Carly and this woman who he didn't even know just went CRAZY on the AOL board about how this picture of her was used without her permission. He said that she was so nasty about it he almost gave up the whole thing. I'm so glad he didn't. It is so wonderful such a wonderful tribute to Carly still exists. I think we should all encourage such things. Even Carly. Oh, well. Have a great weekend. Adel >Hi Everyone, > > Someone on the AOL board posted this link about their > tribute to Carly. It has a very interesting interview with her > posted on it. Enjoy! > >Tom > > >> http://members.tripod.com/~Cimc95/carly.html >> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:15:10 PST From: "Robert Minks" Subject: Re: Carly On Arista What kind of person are you Sue? Sharing a Private e-mail I sent to you with everyone? Rob >From scoll10248@aol.com Fri Dec 4 12:11:50 1998 >Received: from SColl10248@aol.com > by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4NMTa29907; > Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:10:41 -0500 (EST) >From: SColl10248@aol.com >Message-ID: <7bcd412c.366841c1@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:10:41 EST >To: robminks@hotmail.com, hotcakes@smoe.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: Carly On Arista >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 > >Okay here goes again, I hope this message doesn't come through too many times >- I didn't send it out right the first time: > >I am basically a reader of this list and am very disappointed that some fans >would stoop to calling Carly selfish when and if she decides not to make music >anymore. It is her perogative to do as she pleases and I will still entertain >myself with everything she has made to date but I would be surprised if she >did in fact quit making music. So what if she decides to market her music the >same way Sally did? As long as I can get my hands on it, I don't care. As >far as nobody knowing who Carly is, this is ridiculous. Carly will go down in >history as one of the all time greats. She has given so much to the world >already. > >Sue > >Robert then e-mailed this to me: > >Sue: > >With all due respect, you are obviously someone around Carly's age if >you think everyone knows who she is. I have been a fan of Carly's for >about 10 years and I had no idea, how old she was- i.e., old enough to >be at risk for breast cancer, have grown children and THEN be ready to >retire from making music. I have lined that woman's pockets for the past >ten years and the thought that she can just suddenly DECIDE not to make >albums anymore is just infuriating. I never would have become a fan if I >had known she was so old and sick. But, at least I have all the albums >that she has ever made now to enjoy. > >All My Best, >Rob > >Here is my reply: > >Dear Rob: I didn't realize that age was a prerequisite for cancer, grown >children or the retirement of a musician/singer. You do contradict yourself >Rob. First you complain about all the money you've spent on Carly's music and >then you turn around and are thankful that you at least have all of her albums >to enjoy. > >Sue > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:17:43 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Re: Carly On Arista CARLY IS AN ICON! How can you possibly say people don't know her? >From owner-hotcakes@smoe.org Fri Dec 04 10:34:15 1998 >Received: from [24.128.1.71] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail30902491591133506532496411042119535320; Fri Dec 04 10:34:15 1998 >Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) > by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29740; > Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:29:58 -0500 (EST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id NAA02811; > Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:29:04 -0500 (EST) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:29:03 - -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id NAA02776 > for hotcakes-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:27:47 -0500 (EST) >Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id NAA02772 > for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:27:44 -0500 (EST) >Received: from [158.152.87.112] (helo=ethericcats.demon.co.uk) > by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.054 #1) > id 0zlzx7-0000jg-00; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:27:41 +0000 >Message-ID: <3668298B.AB67B9AD@ethericcats.demon.co.uk> >Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 18:27:24 +0000 >From: catman >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Robert Minks >CC: hotcakes@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Carly On Arista >References: <19981204164239.4090.qmail@hotmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Sender: owner-hotcakes@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by chmls06.mediaone.net id NAA29740 > >I find it very strange that fans of Carly would speak of her in this >disrespectful manner. Carly is very well known-even here evryone knows wh= >o >she is. The name Carly is now in common use for girls. >As I said, carly let it be known that she signed a new contract. > >Robert Minks wrote: > >> This information came to me by way of Arista and although she is >> still mentioned on their web site she is not on the label any longer- >> any label. Adel, I agree......I think this is selfish and I am afraid >> that if she does make music again she will sale it like her daughter >> Sally over the internet. But, I guess noone really remembers who Carly >> Simon is anyway (except us) so maybe it is best she is stopping now. >> >> Robert >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html >TANTRA=92S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:23:37 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Re: Carly On Arista Now, wait just one cotton-picking moment! Carly may be retiring, but anyone who has seen any picture of her recently can attest that she ain't exactly "old and sick." I almost dropped my false teeth when I read that! My head is spinning that someone would think that of Carly. It is so opposite to my own impression of her! Adel >From owner-hotcakes@smoe.org Fri Dec 04 12:16:17 1998 >Received: from [24.128.1.71] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail3090255355313506532503411042119381630; Fri Dec 04 12:16:17 1998 >Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) > by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22849; > Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:16:06 -0500 (EST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id PAA04261; > Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:12:44 -0500 (EST) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:12:44 - -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id PAA04254 > for hotcakes-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:12:24 -0500 (EST) >Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id PAA04250 > for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:12:20 -0500 (EST) >From: SColl10248@aol.com >Received: from SColl10248@aol.com > by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4NMTa29907; > Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:10:41 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: <7bcd412c.366841c1@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:10:41 EST >To: robminks@hotmail.com, hotcakes@smoe.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: Carly On Arista >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 >Sender: owner-hotcakes@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > >Okay here goes again, I hope this message doesn't come through too many times >- I didn't send it out right the first time: > >I am basically a reader of this list and am very disappointed that some fans >would stoop to calling Carly selfish when and if she decides not to make music >anymore. It is her perogative to do as she pleases and I will still entertain >myself with everything she has made to date but I would be surprised if she >did in fact quit making music. So what if she decides to market her music the >same way Sally did? As long as I can get my hands on it, I don't care. As >far as nobody knowing who Carly is, this is ridiculous. Carly will go down in >history as one of the all time greats. She has given so much to the world >already. > >Sue > >Robert then e-mailed this to me: > >Sue: > >With all due respect, you are obviously someone around Carly's age if >you think everyone knows who she is. I have been a fan of Carly's for >about 10 years and I had no idea, how old she was- i.e., old enough to >be at risk for breast cancer, have grown children and THEN be ready to >retire from making music. I have lined that woman's pockets for the past >ten years and the thought that she can just suddenly DECIDE not to make >albums anymore is just infuriating. I never would have become a fan if I >had known she was so old and sick. But, at least I have all the albums >that she has ever made now to enjoy. > >All My Best, >Rob > >Here is my reply: > >Dear Rob: I didn't realize that age was a prerequisite for cancer, grown >children or the retirement of a musician/singer. You do contradict yourself >Rob. First you complain about all the money you've spent on Carly's music and >then you turn around and are thankful that you at least have all of her albums >to enjoy. > >Sue ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:29:14 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Jeff's Carly Tribute I think that is very interesting stuff too. A friend of mine told me that the person (Jeff) who set up that webpage really made Carly very angry with him. Apparently, she doesn't like people commenting on her sickness and when she found out he had a whole webpage about it, she blew up. I had corresponded with Jeff a long time ago because I had really loved his tribute to Carly (back when I thought I was the *only* one who really still loved Carly! Boy was I wrong!!!!) and he told me of some other problem he had had. Apparently, he had published a picture of a grossly unattractive woman who was simply a fan of Carly's. The picture had Carly and this woman who he didn't even know just went CRAZY on the AOL board about how this picture of her was used without her permission. He said that she was so nasty about it (Jeff said she looked dreadful and was probably just angry at the world -- we all know the type) he almost gave up the whole thing. I'm so glad he didn't. It is so wonderful such a wonderful tribute to Carly still exists. I think we should all encourage such things. Even Carly. Oh, well. Have a great weekend. Adel (P.S. I am resending this as it came back. If it appears twice, sorry) >Hi Everyone, >> Someone on the AOL board posted this link about their > tribute to Carly. It has a very interesting interview with her > posted on it. Enjoy!>>Tom >>>> http://members.tripod.com/~Cimc95/carly.html>> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:32:51 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Re: Carly On Arista <> The WHOLE purpose of this board is to discuss CARLY, Sue!! Not to try to cut down each other (especially by publishing private mail). Let's all try to keep to the issue at hand: that talented, BEAUTIFUL (hear that Robbie??), YOUNG (hear that??), lady Carly Simon! :) Adel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:48:19 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Re: Carly On Arista Sue: Do calm down, dear. I think you misread my post. If it was because I don't write well, then I accept the blame and am very sorry. I was only saying that it is better for us to concentrate on CARLY, not each other. Besides, I dare say, Carly is MUCH MORE interesting than any of us (certainly me!!) Adel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:35:34 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: Carly compared to ... ? Hello Guys! I am Margarita from Monterrey, Mexico. Here in this big city (~ 5 million people in metro area) many around my age (40) know many US and UK or english singers/composers/groups... but very, very few know Carly. I just love her since 1972 but many who knew her music back then just don't remember her anymore... I had a party a few weeks ago with some friends from high school and they were playing '70s music in english... So of course I mentioned Carly and NO-ONE remembered her. So I went to our car and picked up a CD and we played it. It was Greatest Hits and it was until then that SOME said "Ah, Yes" she was that girl, and I said "she still is singing/composing... they could't beleive that... Those who remember her have had never listened to her music later than 1980. So, she is great, for sure... The best, or one of the best, voices I ever heard. But her popularity is less than others, including James Taylor and Carole King. Why? I don't know. I prefer Carly but, a fact is a fact. And we continued listening to Chicago, Air Supply, America, Kansas, Cat Stevens, The Bee Gees, The Carpenters, etc. etc. etc. many more Pop music. Besides, Carly has the right to think "well done... now I deserve some rest and family life" why not? Tears may fall from my eyes in Nostalgia but if I try some empathy then I will understand why she did it (if she ever will). Fare you well my e-friends! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:51:01 EST From: DBrown3991@aol.com Subject: Re: Carly link You just blew your cover, Adel! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:23:21 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Re: Carly link DBrown3991: Who are you??? Adel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:43:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Please stop It is far better for eveyone if we do not get into slagging eachother off. However, i understand why Sue was riled. Some very rude and disrespectful words have been written regarding Carly Simon. Please stop. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:43:56 +0000 From: catman Subject: LIST REPLIES When replying to the list please delete the headers of the post you are replying to! Also if possible, delete all but that which you are replying. It saves space and frustration! bw catman - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of hotcakes-digest V1 #87 *****************************