From: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org (hotcakes-digest) To: hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Subject: hotcakes-digest V1 #76 Reply-To: hotcakes@smoe.org Sender: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk hotcakes-digest Tuesday, November 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Denver Post Article ["Manning, Thomas (Tom)" ] Another Review ["Manning, Thomas (Tom)" ] Re: Another Review [catman ] Re:Sally Taylor ["Robert Minks" ] Re:Sally Taylor -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: Sally Taylor [Denisongs@aol.com] Sally Taylor is A Fool ["Robert Minks" ] RE: Sally Taylor is A Fool ["Perroni, Stephen" ] Sally Taylor is A Fool -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] SHOOTING STARS [catman ] Re: SHOOTING STARS ["Adel Perkins" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:58:40 -0700 From: "Manning, Thomas (Tom)" Subject: Denver Post Article My very own review of the show will follow later. BTW, Mom didn't show up! Tom > Sally Taylor and Zuba > > Who: Sally Taylor and Zuba > Saturday: 9 p.m. at Herman's Hideaway, 1578 S. Broadway, admission $7 > Note: Both show ages 21-plus only > By Mark Harden > Denver Post Popular Music Writer > > Nov. 13 - She came to Boulder for love, and found her voice instead. > > And now, Sally Taylor has something her parents, James Taylor and Carly > Simon, > have had lots of: A new album out. > > Tonight and Saturday, Taylor performs at back-to-back CD-release parties > in > celebration of her debut effort, the beguiling "Tomboy Bride.'' > > Joining her will be Boulder's veteran soul-funk combo Zuba, which is > releasing > its fourth disc, "South of Eden.'' Tonight's CD party is at the Fox > Theatre in > Boulder; Saturday's is at Herman's Hideaway. > > There's a warm, enveloping breeze blowing through Taylor's new album, but > at > the core of many of these songs is a tightly clenched fist of emotion. > > "I don't exactly know how it happened,'' she says, "but I didn't intend to > do > a CD.'' > > As a child, surrounded by recording equipment, Taylor says she "has always > been touching things I wasn't supposed to be touching,'' and recording > over > her parents' tapes. Snippets of her childhood home tapes appear here and > there > on her new CD. > > In high school, she sang in a covers band called the Flip, and has > performed > with a variety of groups over the years, but for a long time she didn't > want > to pursue music. > > When she relocated to Colorado last winter, making an album was the last > thing > on her mind. > > "I moved out here from Massachusetts . . . to be with my now > ex-boyfriend.'' > She laughs, then adds, "That seems to be the pattern, as I hear from > people.'' > > After they broke up, "I slept in my car for a while, and then I went down > to > Robb's Music and picked up a bunch of those tags that say "Female lead > vocalist (wanted) who likes Fiona Apple and Cowboy Mouth.'­'' > > She linked up with a band, doing little more than singing at practice > twice a > week and dabbling at writing lyrics. "It was their vibe,'' she says. "I > was a > little tentative about doing my own stuff.'' > > Then one day, Taylor took a plane ride. "I'm really scared of flying, and > there was a lot of turbulence, and I was thinking, I'm not gonna make it > through this. I was positive I was going down. > > "And the two things I was really regretting were not giving my mom > grandchildren, and not having put some music down.'' > > Soon, Taylor got to know Wendy Woo, one of Boulder's most talented singers > and > a popular attraction at Front Range clubs. "She said, "Oh, I've got all > this > (recording) equipment up at a friend's house (in Lyons). He's out of town > for > a few months; why don't you go up and use that?'­'' > > Woo wound up producing Taylor's album, which was recorded in May and June > with > several local musicians. > > The Lyons house was at the end of a 3-mile-long dirt road. "We'd play > until 2 > or 3 in the morning,'' Taylor says. "We'd have to (record) by candlelight > because the lights buzzed, and the crickets made too much noise. But we > ended > up having a lot of fun. > > "And it wasn't about making a product at all, until we got to the 15th > track, > and we were thinking, man, there's a lot of material here and there's so > much > work put into it. Why don't we actually get some photos taken and get > something pressed up?'' > > The resulting sound is intimate and uncluttered, as if Taylor and her > musician > friends were playing for you from a couch in your den. > > The title "Tomboy Bride'' is a reference to a book she found in Telluride, > the > saga of a free-thinking 19th century frontier woman. The concept informed > both > the title song, about a wild, pipe-smoking saloon gal, and the album art, > which shows Taylor in a slip and cowboy hat. > > "After the whole album was done, I was at home and Donald Fagen (of Steely > Dan) called me and said, "I'd love to produce a track.' What was I going > to > say? He's this idol of mine. I said, "Thank you, God, I'm going to New > York on > the next plane.'­'' > > After two days in the studio, "he said, "Do you mind if I call in my > partner > to help me mix this down?' And in comes Walter (Becker). And I was > completely > blown away, sitting in the corner trying to breathe.'' > > The session with the Steely Dan twins resulted in "When We're Together,'' > a > bossa nova tune with a "Girl From Ipanema'' lilt. > > Taylor's album closes with the "hidden'' track "Unsung Dance,'' recorded > in > her father's living room on Martha's Vineyard. He plays guitar on the > tune. > > Taylor insists she has few expectations for her new CD. For now she's > making a > name for herself, singing with her band at clubs along the Front Range and > in > California and Massachusetts. She also appeared this summer at the One > World > Music Festival in Crested Butte. > > On July 24, during his concert at Fiddler's Green, James Taylor introduced > Sally, who played her song "Sigh of Rain'' during a drenching downpour. > The > pair later sang a duet on Papa Taylor's sweet lullaby "You Can Close Your > Eyes.'' > > "Every once in a while he pulls my brother and I up to do a couple of > tunes,'' > Taylor says of her dad. She appeared with him at promotional dates in > Europe > last summer. > > But she adds that neither of her parents, who were married from 1972 to > 1983, > pushed her to follow in their footsteps. > > "I'm sure that, as a performer, subliminally I've taken in so much from > them. > But nothing was ever said like, "OK, when you perform you should do this, > when > you write a song you should do that.' > > "Once, when I was a kid, I asked my mom how to write a song. And she said, > "If > you're meant to write songs, it'll just come to you.' > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:53:49 -0700 From: "Manning, Thomas (Tom)" Subject: Another Review This one is a good synopsis of the show, however since it was put out by the club it failed to mention that Sally would be better received in a venue that was not a smoke-filled fire trap. Many of her songs were too mellow for a bar atmosphere. It was great to her her sing and I did get her to sign my copy of her CD. She is very personable and seems to be at ease in front of a crowd. Tom Zuba with the Sally Taylor Band, November  14, at Herman's A massive crowd showed up to witness the Denver CD release of Sally Taylor's debut effort.  Not surprisingly, many in attendance were also hoping to catch a glimpse of Taylor's' parents, James Taylor and Carly Simon.  While the door man did say that James had been there earlier, this reviewer did not spot him.  Now, back to Sally.  Miss Taylor, who's been hanging out in Boulder recording with Wendy Woo, most certainly has all the tools required for musical success.  Her appearance was very "Boulder."  Long curly hair, long dress, nice body, and young.   College kid young.  She didn't inherit her mother's lips, but she does have a sexy pout.  When not playing acoustic guitar, she gesticulated with her hands in a sensuous, evocative fashion, feeling the music with her arms, and sometimes dancing.   Her voice is nice and easy to listen to, but there were times when she clearly struggled with a high note or two and could have delivered with a bit more power.  A little voice coaching and some more practice in front of a live audience ought to clear that up pronto.  Clearly, the strongest point in her performance was the songwriting.   Her original compositions were somewhat folksy and mostly played at a slow or mid-tempo.  This reviewer got the distinct impression that were written on an acoustic guitar and then transposed for the full band.  The rest of the band consisted of a bass, drums, and electric guitar.  These were all handled by skillful and solid performers.  The feel of her music was pleasant but without an edge.   Mostly love songs and ballads.  People didn't really start dancing until they ripped, unexpectedly, into a cover of "Sweet Home Alabama" which came segued from a Pearl Jam tune.  An original song "When we're together" featured a bossanova groove, but reminded this reviewer of several other local vocalists who could have ripped the roof off with their vocals, in comparison to Taylor's somewhat timid rendition.  "Happy Now" was a more upbeat rock tune with James Taylor style changes and hooks.  She ended the set with the title track off her CD, "Tomboy Bride," a ballad she played solo on her acoustic guitar.  They also played a fun cover of the Beatles' "Money Wont Buy Me Love."  Overall, Sally Taylor's performance was refreshing, honest,and engaging. We look forward to watching her develop as an artist.  Check out her website:  www.sallytaylor.com   ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:20:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Another Review Thanks for this Tom! Tell me was Sally anything like her Mum in voice, looks or style? She'd be very fortunate if her voice is as good as Carly's. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:26:11 PST From: "Robert Minks" Subject: Re:Sally Taylor Adel: I think what you have heard is true. I don't think Carly and Sally are close....can you imagine having Carly Simon as a mother and NOT having her contribute to your new CD? You know Carly would have been more than proud to help and I think it is rude Sally did not ask. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:51:47 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re:Sally Taylor -Reply Oh! I don't think that you can call it rude! I can well imagine having Carly as a mother and not having her contribute! Sometimes, a mother/daughter bond can be very constricting and you need to find your own way first before you can feel confident enough to meet as equals. I am the mother of an 18 year old and an on-going lesson for Signe to learn is to not compare herself to me. Sometimes that means that she has to work to distance herself. MG MG Valentinsson Cash Applications Supervisor Valley Media, Inc. 530-661-7837 >>> "Robert Minks" 11/16/98 11:26am >>> Adel: I think what you have heard is true. I don't think Carly and Sally are close....can you imagine having Carly Simon as a mother and NOT having her contribute to your new CD? You know Carly would have been more than proud to help and I think it is rude Sally did not ask. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:57:15 EST From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Re: Sally Taylor In a message dated 98-11-16 14:30:58 EST, you write: << You know Carly would have been more than proud to help and I think it is rude Sally did not ask. >> Oh come on. She is her mother. She is allowed, like anyone else, to seek some independence. Imagine trying to be Sally Taylor. Imagine trying to get out from your parents' shadow. Good for her for doing her record without leaning on her mom. I say bravo Sally! .......Denise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:36:32 PST From: "Robert Minks" Subject: Sally Taylor is A Fool I happen to know that Sally Taylor is a rude and foolish girl who does not talk well of her mother. Yet, she has no problem sticking her mother's picture up on her web site. If she had had any sense at all, and was not such a silly rebel, she would have made use of her parent's influence and contact's and taken the time to pull together a decent record on a major label. Instead of one that, no doubt, Carly or James is paying for her to make. This whole thing has been an embarassment to the family. At least, brother Ben is going about things in the respectful way. Although, I think it is doubtful either of them will ever be as successful as their parents. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:56:28 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: Sally Taylor is A Fool Wow is this harsh! I certainly hope you have your info on Sally from a reliable source. Do you really know the whole story? I would well imagine that growing up in the environment That she was exposed to must have made life rather difficult. We all know that James had his Issue's with drug abuse and that couldn't have been easy. From what I've heard Carly didn't have A great relationship with her mother either. And by the way....why would you imply that her cd isn't a "decent" effort? I haven't heard it Yet but from what I've read it doesn't sound all that bad. It's definitly on my need to get list. Why did you say that this whole thing is an embarrassment to the family? From what I read in the article from the Denver Post from 11/13/98 she had Steely Dan produce One of the tracks. That's not bad in my book Why not let them deal with the ups and downs of being a family in their own Way without being so judgemental? They're only human right? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Robert Minks [SMTP:robminks@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 3:37 PM To: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Sally Taylor is A Fool I happen to know that Sally Taylor is a rude and foolish girl who does not talk well of her mother. Yet, she has no problem sticking her mother's picture up on her web site. If she had had any sense at all, and was not such a silly rebel, she would have made use of her parent's influence and contact's and taken the time to pull together a decent record on a major label. Instead of one that, no doubt, Carly or James is paying for her to make. This whole thing has been an embarassment to the family. At least, brother Ben is going about things in the respectful way. Although, I think it is doubtful either of them will ever be as successful as their parents. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:15:47 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Sally Taylor is A Fool -Reply Whoa! How do you know she is a fool and rude about her mother? How do you know that James and Carly are paying for her CD? Respectfully, I have to say that you just cannot jump to these conclusions. Even if you have some facts, we simply cannot be privy to all the nuances of this relationship. This is a subject that hits close to my heart. As I said, I have an older daughter and the ties are so tight and can be so complicated and intense. It can be real hard to be your own person - especially if your mother is in the same field. And, sometimes we do speak ill of our parents - it can sometimes aid in the growing up and separate process that is necessary. Sure, it would be better if everyone loved each other nice and neat, but that's not life. MG MG Valentinsson Cash Applications Supervisor Valley Media, Inc. 530-661-7837 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:02:18 +0000 From: catman Subject: re Sally taylor BUT we do not know what has gone on bewtween sally and Carly. perhaps just because carly is so famous Sally just wanted to do this on her own. I can understand that. Robert Minks wrote: > Adel: > > I think what you have heard is true. I don't think Carly and Sally > are close....can you imagine having Carly Simon as a mother and > NOT having her contribute to your new CD? You know Carly would have been > more than proud to help and I think it is rude Sally did not ask. > > Rob > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:04:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: SHOOTING STARS For the first time in my life I saw shooting stars blaze across the sky tonight. it was awsome and a bit spooky. It was the debris from last years comet that flew close to earth. really exciting. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:29:19 PST From: "Adel Perkins" Subject: Re: SHOOTING STARS I saw your title "Shooting Stars" and my heart lept for joy. I thought perhaps someone had killed Whitney Houston. ;) Regarding Sally. I remember an interview with Carly years ago and Carly said something about Sally and put her arm around her and Sally pushed her arm away. It was VERY rude and I'm sure embarrassing for Carly. I've heard that she is a VERY bratty girl and Carly has had a lot of problems with her. But I suppose she is just very spoiled and loose and that can't be easy for a girl. I guess her parents do have to take some responsibility. As someone else pointed out her father was a heroin addict and her mother brought lots of men home and that can't have been easy for any young girl. So I think everyone should be a little more understanding if she wants to do something like this on her own. I say, "BRAVO!" After all, she has her own life to live. And certainly don't think she is a "fool"! Adel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of hotcakes-digest V1 #76 *****************************