From: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org (hotcakes-digest) To: hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Subject: hotcakes-digest V1 #59 Reply-To: hotcakes@smoe.org Sender: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk hotcakes-digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Gay People and Carly [catman ] Re: [Re: The IRA] [catman ] Re: [RE: The IRA] [catman ] Re: Black People Listen to Carly? [catman ] RE: [RE: The IRA] ["Perroni, Stephen" ] RE: Cool..... ["Perroni, Stephen" ] RE: Black People Listen to Carly? ["Perroni, Stephen" ] FW: Cool..... ["Perroni, Stephen" ] Minorities and Carly? [Margarita Leal ] DISRESPECT [Marcia Luna ] RE: Black People Listen to Carly? [Marcia Luna ] Re: [Cool.....] [Carolyn Long Banks ] Re: [Re: Gay People and Carly] [Carolyn Long Banks ] Re: who are you? ["Hannele Hakala" ] Re: [Re: Black People Listen to Carly?] [Carolyn Long Banks ] TO ALL [catman ] Re: [Cool.....] [catman ] Re: Black People Listen to Carly? [catman ] Re: Disappointed [catman ] List stuff [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Boys In The Trees [Margarita Leal ] Pratt Invasion [catman ] First Carly music [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:25:14 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay People and Carly Marcia Luna wrote: > Carolyn: > You are right! Except for that old woman in Mexico whose husband wants > to leave her for Carly, everyone seems to be gay??? Well, I have > absoluely no problem with it- I adore gay people. Carly must like them > too. > But I don't think she has a big gay following or she would sale more > records or would have a dance club hit. Believe it or not there are millions of gay men and women. We do not spend all our time in dance clubs. In fact it is at least 15 yrs since I stepped in one. Stereotypes are never correct. I f they were I'd be 25, have a wash baord stomach, speak with a lisp and have 10" !!!! > > > Marcia Luna > > ---Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > > > > Marcia: > > > > You know I never thought of it that way! I bet almost dying like > that DID > > make Carly re-think a lot of things. She probably took stock of all > the > > things she *thought* were important to her and realized that she had > new > > passions. I wish her much success with her work with the IRA and > even if we > > don't get any new songs specifically about that I know that the > passion that > > she feels *will* makes it's way into her songs and we can ALL enjoy > that no > > matter what our political thoughts are. > > > > By the way, and this is meant to be a serious question and I hope it > doesn't > > hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems to me that Carly attracts an > awful lot of > > gay men. Do any of you know why this is? I just noticed that > several men on > > this board said they were gay and that has been my expericence with > guys who > > like Carly. Just wondering.... > > > > Carolyn > > > > owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: > > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > > found a new cause to support. > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > Marcia > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today > at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:25:23 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] Perroni, Stephen wrote: > Hi carolyn....wanted to reply to the mention of gay men being attracted to > Carly. I don't think it's a matter of sexuallity but more a matter > sensativity. I can only speak for myself when I say that the gay men I've > known tend to be more in touch with their feelings than straight men. We > don't feel like we have anything to prove and are more comfortable with our > sensative side. Some of my best friends happen to be straight but they are > in the minority of straight men that aren't afraid to express their softer > side. I think carly touches upon a lot of deeper feelings in her music that > we aren't afraid to explore and express as gay men. > Just a few run on thoughts..... I guess I would concur with that Stephen! > steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carolyn Long Banks > [SMTP:CarolynLongBanks@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:30 AM > To: hotcakes@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] > > Marcia: > > You know I never thought of it that way! I bet almost dying > like that DID > make Carly re-think a lot of things. She probably took > stock of all the > things she *thought* were important to her and realized that > she had new > passions. I wish her much success with her work with the > IRA and even if we > don't get any new songs specifically about that I know that > the passion that > she feels *will* makes it's way into her songs and we can > ALL enjoy that no > matter what our political thoughts are. > > By the way, and this is meant to be a serious question and I > hope it doesn't > hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems to me that Carly > attracts an awful lot of > gay men. Do any of you know why this is? I just noticed > that several men on > this board said they were gay and that has been my > expericence with guys who > like Carly. Just wondering.... > > Carolyn > > owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful > Carly has > found a new cause to support. > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA > to write > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > Marcia > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account > today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:25:10 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: [RE: The IRA] Oh please. Stephen says he is gay and you ask him if he is HIV+. Are you? catman Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > Steve: > > You are absolutely right. But I think they were just having a polite > disagreement. They both sound like such nice people and they obviously really > care about Carly. > > Do you live in South Beach? I think that is really pretty down there. Are > you HIV+? I know of many brothers who are and have moved to South Beach on > disability. I know if I had the luxury of moving anywhere it would be > someplace pretty like that. DC gets so cold in the winters and it just has a > bad vibe a lot of the time -- which is why I turn on the Carly and drown out > the NOISE! :) > > Take care, > Carolyn > > owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: > Woe woe woe....everbody take a deep breath. I'm sure there was no harm > meant on either > Marcia or Catman's behalf. Let's not go the way of the joni mitchell > discussion list and have on > Line arguments. Sorry to intrude on this but I'd hate to see a nice > discussion list go sour. > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcia Luna [SMTP:marcialuna@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:22 AM > To: hotcakes@smoe.org > Subject: Re: The IRA > > I don't appreciate this. I am not making a joke. > I am supporting Carly. I saw a picture of her with the > leader of the IRA, singing to him. > What do you have to say to that? > > ---catman wrote: > > > > I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is > a joke. > Surely > > you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women > and > children? I > > am damn sure Carly does not. > > No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up > that > Oklahoma > > building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is > their people > being > > murdered? > > > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful > Carly has > > > found a new cause to support. > > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the > IRA to > write > > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > > > Marcia > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:27:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Black People Listen to Carly? Marcia Luna wrote: > Carolyn: > > With all do respect, I can understand the gay people Carly link- but > do black people listen to Carly? > I have never heard of this before? What first caught your ear? Is your > favorite song- "De Bat Fly in Me Face"? This is offensive. This list is not here for that. > > > Marcia Luna > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:29:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Cool..... Excuse me but did ask about about people's sexuality. you asked us to give deatils about ourselves including whether ot not we were married or single. That is about sexuality! g sotoares wrote: > It has never been my intention to know the sexuallity of anyone. What's > happening? > I thought that these conversations were "ancestral". I don't really care at > all. I thought that we were adults, and these things are not necessary to > talk about. > Let's talk about Music, Songs, and Carly. > Thank you. Gus. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:31:31 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: [RE: The IRA] I kind of felt that way too catman when I read the question but I didn't want To get into it. But since you've metioned it........ Steve -----Original Message----- From: catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:25 AM To: Carolyn Long Banks Cc: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Re: [RE: The IRA] Oh please. Stephen says he is gay and you ask him if he is HIV+. Are you? catman Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > Steve: > > You are absolutely right. But I think they were just having a polite > disagreement. They both sound like such nice people and they obviously really > care about Carly. > > Do you live in South Beach? I think that is really pretty down there. Are > you HIV+? I know of many brothers who are and have moved to South Beach on > disability. I know if I had the luxury of moving anywhere it would be > someplace pretty like that. DC gets so cold in the winters and it just has a > bad vibe a lot of the time -- which is why I turn on the Carly and drown out > the NOISE! :) > > Take care, > Carolyn > > owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: > Woe woe woe....everbody take a deep breath. I'm sure there was no harm > meant on either > Marcia or Catman's behalf. Let's not go the way of the joni mitchell > discussion list and have on > Line arguments. Sorry to intrude on this but I'd hate to see a nice > discussion list go sour. > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcia Luna [SMTP:marcialuna@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:22 AM > To: hotcakes@smoe.org > Subject: Re: The IRA > > I don't appreciate this. I am not making a joke. > I am supporting Carly. I saw a picture of her with the > leader of the IRA, singing to him. > What do you have to say to that? > > ---catman wrote: > > > > I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is > a joke. > Surely > > you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women > and > children? I > > am damn sure Carly does not. > > No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up > that > Oklahoma > > building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is > their people > being > > murdered? > > > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful > Carly has > > > found a new cause to support. > > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the > IRA to > write > > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > > > Marcia > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:35:56 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: Cool..... Again I have to agree with you catman.....why wouldn't I include that part of me in a description of myself. Furthermore..... I think the question that was originally ask was a legitimate question specifically refering to Carly,her music, and her apparent appeal to gay men (or at least on this list) What's up Gus? Why can't we as adults talk about "these things" I guess I take offense to your Post. Steve -----Original Message----- From: catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:30 AM To: g sotoares Cc: Carly Simon Email list. Subject: Re: Cool..... Excuse me but did ask about about people's sexuality. you asked us to give deatils about ourselves including whether ot not we were married or single. That is about sexuality! g sotoares wrote: > It has never been my intention to know the sexuallity of anyone. What's > happening? > I thought that these conversations were "ancestral". I don't really care at > all. I thought that we were adults, and these things are not necessary to > talk about. > Let's talk about Music, Songs, and Carly. > Thank you. Gus. -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:38:53 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: Black People Listen to Carly? I find this offensive also. Why wouldn't black people listen to Carly? Why would one's skin Color govern their ability to enjoy good music? Steve -----Original Message----- From: catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:28 AM To: Marcia Luna Cc: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Re: Black People Listen to Carly? Marcia Luna wrote: > Carolyn: > > With all do respect, I can understand the gay people Carly link- but > do black people listen to Carly? > I have never heard of this before? What first caught your ear? Is your > favorite song- "De Bat Fly in Me Face"? This is offensive. This list is not here for that. > > > Marcia Luna > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:44:29 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: FW: Cool..... - -----Original Message----- From: Perroni, Stephen Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:36 AM To: 'catman'; g sotoares Cc: Carly Simon Email list. Subject: RE: Cool..... Again I have to agree with you catman.....why wouldn't I include that part of me in a description of myself. Furthermore..... I think the question that was originally ask was a legitimate question specifically refering to Carly,her music, and her apparent appeal to gay men (or at least on this list) What's up Gus? Why can't we as adults talk about "these things" I guess I take offense to your Post. Steve -----Original Message----- From: catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:30 AM To: g sotoares Cc: Carly Simon Email list. Subject: Re: Cool..... Excuse me but did ask about about people's sexuality. you asked us to give deatils about ourselves including whether ot not we were married or single. That is about sexuality! g sotoares wrote: > It has never been my intention to know the sexuallity of anyone. What's > happening? > I thought that these conversations were "ancestral". I don't really care at > all. I thought that we were adults, and these things are not necessary to > talk about. > Let's talk about Music, Songs, and Carly. > Thank you. Gus. -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:49:25 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: Minorities and Carly? Marcia: You are so close to the edge... of being respectful and tolerant... you refer to me as "that old woman in Mexico whose husband wants to leave her for Carly"... excuse me but he is not leaving me, neither am I leaving him. Are you just a kid or bad educated teenager to talk about me in that pejorative way? Regarding your comment on Black People Listen to Carly your "title" tells it all... you speak racist. I am sorry for you. To everyone else : let us continue with our conversation disregarding offensive and misunderstood postings! See you guys, Margarita. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:59:44 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: DISRESPECT I did not mean to be disrepectful to anyone. It seems Carly and I are the only ones without all these hang-ups. Gay people know they are gay, Black people know they are black and the if people really don't have a problem with these things there should be no problem discussing it. We are all just human beings here on the same planet at the same time anyway, as Carly herself once said, so what difference does it make. And Margarita- you insult me- you posted that you and your husband were old and that he was attracted to Carly- How was I to know? Best Regards to All, Marcia Luna _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:02:09 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: RE: Black People Listen to Carly? All that I meant, and I am sure Carolyn will explain why she listens to Carly, is that black people are typically not exposed to Carly's type music in America. That's all. Please don't make mountains out of molehills! Marcia Luna - ---"Perroni, Stephen" wrote: > > I find this offensive also. Why wouldn't black people listen to Carly? Why > would one's skin > Color govern their ability to enjoy good music? > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:28 AM > To: Marcia Luna > Cc: hotcakes@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Black People Listen to Carly? > > > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > Carolyn: > > > > With all do respect, I can understand the gay people Carly > link- but > > do black people listen to Carly? > > I have never heard of this before? What first caught your > ear? Is your > > favorite song- "De Bat Fly in Me Face"? > > This is offensive. This list is not here for that. > > > > > > > Marcia Luna > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 09:10:52 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [Cool.....] Gus: I am so sorry that you are made so uncomfortable by discussions of sexuality. But it is perfectly natural and it is *OK* to talk about. I hope that your discomfort doesn't come from being a *Closet case* because I really feel that those people are very unhappy and I have seen far too much of that in this life. Anyway, I am sorry if you were offended. You don't need to volunteer any information that would be embarrassing to your Mama! :) Carolyn owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: It has never been my intention to know the sexuallity of anyone. What's happening? I thought that these conversations were "ancestral". I don't really care at all. I thought that we were adults, and these things are not necessary to talk about. Let's talk about Music, Songs, and Carly. Thank you. Gus. ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 09:20:28 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [Re: Gay People and Carly] I f they were I'd be 25, have a wash baord stomach, speak with a lisp and have 10" !!!! THAT IS SO VULGAR! Carolyn Who will not talk about the IRA issue any more because apparently some people cannot have a civilized discussion without resorting to personal insults. Pity. ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 18:14:31 PST From: "g sotoares" Subject: Disappointed Marriage is more than sex. Singles aren't not making love 24 h/day (I'm probably talking about me) I only wanted to know if you were alone or not. Sex is wonderful, but private life You can do all that you want to do, and share your life with the person you like to, that's your business, I can do all that i want to do and share my life with the person i like to, that's my business. I've forgotten to tell you in my personality decription that i am very tolerant person, i have no problem about "these things", i only want to keep them inside of me, to share "the best thing" only with my baby-love. Gus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:22:17 +0200 From: "Hannele Hakala" Subject: Re: who are you? NAME: Hannele MARRIED: nope CHILDREN: nope, but two wonderful retrievers -> http://www.kolumbus.fi/hahak/omat/koirat/koirat.htm NATIONALITY: finnish AGE: 11 years younger than Carly PROFESSION: humm... I work with computers... PERSONALITY: sometimes sunny, sometimes stormy ;-> ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 09:30:18 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [Re: Black People Listen to Carly?] owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: Marcia Luna wrote: > Carolyn: > > With all do respect, I can understand the gay people Carly link- but > do black people listen to Carly? > I have never heard of this before? What first caught your ear? Is your > favorite song- "De Bat Fly in Me Face"? Actually, Marcia (and I am going to assume that question was asked in good faith) De Bat is an homage to the Carribean sounds of black people. Normally, I do not listen to white people sing, but I listen to Carly because she is of black blood. Her mother was of Moorish decent. In fact, her father rejected Carly as a child because he thought she looked too "Negroid." So, I have much in common with her. We are both proud, black women (although I am of purer blood than her, as I can trace my ancestory all the way to Nigerian Royalty) Carolyn ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: Re: [Re: Gay People and Carly] Carolyn, I agree- This Catman- person needs to stop insulting everyone and everything! I thought this forum was not for this sort of thing! Marcia - ---Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > > I f they were I'd be 25, have a wash > baord stomach, speak with a lisp and have 10" !!!! > > THAT IS SO VULGAR! > > Carolyn > > Who will not talk about the IRA issue any more because apparently some people > cannot have a civilized discussion without resorting to personal insults. > Pity. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:40:56 +0000 From: catman Subject: TO ALL I run this list. I have a button that can get rid of people and I will use it if necessary. The introduction you received made it quite clear that insults etc will not be tolerated. So far we have had homophobic comments. racist ones and this ridiculous thread about Carly and the IRA. This is not what the list is for. I suspect that those pratts who ruined the Ziva board for everyone are behind this. Discussion of anything on this list is welcome. However, insults and bigotry are NOT welcome. Humour is and anything else. I am sure adults know what I am saying. bw catman - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:41:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: [Cool.....] Carolyn-there is no need to be rude to Gus. And before you go telling me you don't need a parent, let me tell you this list is NOT about insulting people. You have done plenty of this in the short time you have been subbed. Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > Gus: > > I am so sorry that you are made so uncomfortable by discussions of sexuality. > But it is perfectly natural and it is *OK* to talk about. I hope that your > discomfort doesn't come from being a *Closet case* because I really feel that > those people are very unhappy and I have seen far too much of that in this > life. Anyway, I am sorry if you were offended. You don't need to volunteer > any information that would be embarrassing to your Mama! :) > > Carolyn > > owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: > It has never been my intention to know the sexuallity of anyone. What's > happening? > I thought that these conversations were "ancestral". I don't really care at > all. I thought that we were adults, and these things are not necessary to > talk about. > Let's talk about Music, Songs, and Carly. > Thank you. Gus. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:41:00 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Black People Listen to Carly? The remark about Fly In Me Face was what was offensive. I do not think musical taste is restricted by race. Marcia Luna wrote: > All that I meant, and I am sure Carolyn will explain why she listens > to Carly, is that black people are typically not exposed to Carly's > type music in America. That's all. > Please don't make mountains out of molehills! > > Marcia Luna > > ---"Perroni, Stephen" wrote: > > > > I find this offensive also. Why wouldn't black people listen to > Carly? Why > > would one's skin > > Color govern their ability to enjoy good music? > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:28 AM > > To: Marcia Luna > > Cc: hotcakes@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Black People Listen to Carly? > > > > > > > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > > > Carolyn: > > > > > > With all do respect, I can understand the gay people Carly > > link- but > > > do black people listen to Carly? > > > I have never heard of this before? What first caught your > > ear? Is your > > > favorite song- "De Bat Fly in Me Face"? > > > > This is offensive. This list is not here for that. > > > > > > > > > > > Marcia Luna > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:38:22 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: [Re: Gay People and Carly] I don't see what is so vulgar....is it the lisp thing or the 10" thing? It was intended completely "toung in cheek" this Catman person is The guy who started this forum. I like and respect him and his opinions And comments. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Marcia Luna [SMTP:marcialuna@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 12:38 PM To: Carolyn Long Banks; hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Re: [Re: Gay People and Carly] Carolyn, I agree- This Catman- person needs to stop insulting everyone and everything! I thought this forum was not for this sort of thing! Marcia ---Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > > I f they were I'd be 25, have a wash > baord stomach, speak with a lisp and have 10" !!!! > > THAT IS SO VULGAR! > > Carolyn > > Who will not talk about the IRA issue any more because apparently some people > cannot have a civilized discussion without resorting to personal insults. > Pity. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:44:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Disappointed Understood Gus. Not everyone on this list is willing to hurl insults at you or anyone else. bw catman g sotoares wrote: > Marriage is more than sex. > Singles aren't not making love 24 h/day (I'm probably talking about me) > I only wanted to know if you were alone or not. > Sex is wonderful, but private life > You can do all that you want to do, and share your life with the person you > like to, that's your business, I can do all that i want to do and share my > life with the person i like to, that's my business. > I've forgotten to tell you in my personality decription that i am very > tolerant person, i have no problem about "these things", i only want to > keep them inside of me, to share "the best thing" only with my baby-love. > Gus - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:03:13 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: List stuff As a lurker, I usually don't have much to say, but I've watched this list go from zero volume to e-mails flying back and forth. Sounds good except for the insults and comments that seem to be prevailing. For the record, catman is one of my best friends. I know from personal experience that he is kind and loving and interested only in a peaceful discussion of Carly's music and whatever sidebar items the list throws out. This list has the potential to be a lovely, warm interactive experience. Let's allow it to realize that potential. peace to all, MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:58:43 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: Boys In The Trees Catman: Maybe there are several reasons why my favourite song is Boys In The Trees. First of all, I tend to pay much more attention to the music than to the words, probably because I am spanish-spoken and have to listen very carefully many time to "catch" the words, and only after that, try to understand the meaning. Secondly, I pay attention to the words and then I can decide which song I like more. But, if I tell you that I am the oldest of my family and that I have no sisters and 6 brothers (even if CS has only brother Peter and two sisters, right?), what would you think? If I got it right, Carly sings a girl is somehow "shy" to show herself out in the prescence of the boys? Like let them come to you, like from daughter to daughter let the boys grow in the trees, etc? I would like, if you have time, to give me your opinion regarding this beautiful song. Margarita. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:04:21 +0000 From: catman Subject: Pratt Invasion Okay people it seems that we were invaded by one maybe more people using pseudonyms as they did on AOL and Ziva. Carolyn and Marcia have been removed from the list. My apologies to the list for this little hiccup. I will see what I can do to stop this sort of thing happening but it may not be possible. maybe I will just have to be quick off the trigger! bw to all catman - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:07:44 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: First Carly music Most of the music that I like can find its roots in my older sister, Pat. Carly's song "Older Sister" neatly captures how I felt about Pat when I was in my early teens. But that's a bit ahead of myself. My sister Pat had "Anticipation." I loved the title song and the local radio gave a lot of play to "That's The Way I Always Heard It Should Be." It was easy for me to sing along with it and as well as being fun to sing, it explored some ideas about love and marriage and relationships that I was just starting to discover. I listened to Joni Mitchell more for illuminating inner angst, but Carly's lyrics seemed to look at feelings that were more everyday, (for lack of a better word), and thus, more accessible. Love them both. peace, MG ------------------------------ End of hotcakes-digest V1 #59 *****************************