From: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org (hotcakes-digest) To: hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Subject: hotcakes-digest V1 #58 Reply-To: hotcakes@smoe.org Sender: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk hotcakes-digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- who are you? ["g sotoares" ] [Fwd: YOUR FIRST TIME] [catman ] Re: who are you? [catman ] Re: who are you? ["g sotoares" ] Re: who are you? [MGVal@aol.com] Re: [who are you?] [Carolyn Long Banks ] Re: [Re: [Re: The IRA]] [Carolyn Long Banks ] RE: who are you? ["Manning, Thomas (Tom)" ] Re: The IRA [Marcia Luna ] who are you? ["Perroni, Stephen" ] Re: The IRA [catman ] Re: The IRA [Marcia Luna ] Re: [Re: The IRA] [Carolyn Long Banks ] RE: The IRA ["Perroni, Stephen" ] Re: [Re: The IRA] [Carolyn Long Banks ] RE: [Re: The IRA] ["Perroni, Stephen" ] RE: The IRA [Margarita Leal ] Gay People and Carly [Marcia Luna ] Re: [RE: The IRA] [Carolyn Long Banks ] Re: [RE: [Re: The IRA]] [Carolyn Long Banks ] Black People Listen to Carly? [Marcia Luna ] Re: turned sour ? [Margarita Leal ] Re: The IRA [catman ] RE: turned sour ? ["Perroni, Stephen" ] Cool..... ["g sotoares" ] Re: why many gay ? [Margarita Leal ] Re: [Re: The IRA] [catman ] Re: [Re: The IRA] [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 11:32:27 PST From: "g sotoares" Subject: who are you? We haven't been introduced and I'd like to know who you are. It's only a suggestion: we may introduce us to each other to know our name, age, nationality, profession, married ?, single ?..... It's a little bit strange to talk to someone who has not an image or personality. What do you think about? Gus. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:47:42 +0000 From: catman Subject: [Fwd: YOUR FIRST TIME] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------EC363D50826FD3BB5421DBF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk - --------------EC363D50826FD3BB5421DBF5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk id 909349504:10:17991:0; Sun, 25 Oct 98 21:05:04 GMT Received: from panda.c3net.net ([204.246.238.4]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111174; 25 Oct 98 21:04 GMT Received: from pooter (unverified [204.246.238.32]) by polarx.c3net.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <003901be005a$d67c9ca0$20eef6cc@pooter> From: "Sue Meininger" To: "catman" Subject: Re: YOUR FIRST TIME Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:02:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Catman, I had just turned 15 and come home from a vacation in Europe with my family. I asked my best friend if any thing was new and if there were any new groups or singers I'd missed and she told mew about Carly, I fell in love with her music the 1st time I heard "That;s The Way I've Always Heard it Should Be. I also remember shocking my old aunts and uncles at my graduation party by singing at the top of my lungs about the boy with eyes of green(the warmest eyes I'd ever seen) and how he gave his lovin love to me the way I'd always heard should be..... Thanks for asking me to remember.. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: catman To: carly Date: October 25, 1998 12:17 PM Subject: YOUR FIRST TIME Where were you and how old were you when you first heard Carly? What was your fisrt Carly cd/record? catman - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRAS/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk - --------------EC363D50826FD3BB5421DBF5-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:52:03 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: who are you? NAME: Colin MARRIED: Yes. but not legally as my partner is a man NATIONALITY: British(spanish mother) AGE: 39(but only for a few weeks more!) PROFESSION: House Queen PERSONALITY: Wonderful g sotoares wrote: > We haven't been introduced and I'd like to know who you are. It's only a > suggestion: we may introduce us to each other to know our name, age, > nationality, profession, married ?, single ?..... It's a little bit strange > to talk to someone who has not an image or personality. What do you think > about? Gus. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 13:53:39 PST From: "g sotoares" Subject: Re: who are you? Name: Gustavo Nationality: Spanish, living in France since 1987. Age: 36 Single ( but in love...) Profession: Doctor Personality: Discreet Last song listenned: Another day, James Taylor. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:56:49 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: who are you? I sent this to Gustavo in error when it should have gone to the list. Here it is again: name: MG (short for Mary Grace) age: counting down to 40 nationality: American, live in California profession: Accountant Personality: it's there Single List status: lurker (:-D ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 06:15:52 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [who are you?] Gus: I think that is a WONDERFUL idea. Name: Carolyn Age: 38 Education: Spellman College 82; Nationality: USA though I have traced my blood back to Nigerian Royalty Profession: Was in city government. Children: 7 owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: We haven't been introduced and I'd like to know who you are. It's only a suggestion: we may introduce us to each other to know our name, age, nationality, profession, married ?, single ?..... It's a little bit strange to talk to someone who has not an image or personality. What do you think about? Gus. ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 06:22:51 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: The IRA]] Colin: I agree totally. It doesn't prove anything. But it certainly lends support to the rumors. I mean, why else would she be singing to someone like that? Now, don't get me wrong -- it is her choice to support the IRA if that is what is in her heart! I love her no matter what! Cheers to my new friends, Carolyn catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: I saw the picture too. One picture of Carly singing Happy Birthday to gerry Adams does not make her a gun runner! Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > I was not a joke!!!!!! > > A friend wrote me and said they saw a picture of Carly singing to the head of > the IRA last week. I didn't see the picture, but it was someone who doesn't > joke so I assume it is true. > > Carolyn > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: Re: who are you? Name: Marcia Luna Age: That is not polite Nationality: American (Live in Dallas) Profession: Massage therapist Married: Very Happily Personality: Delightful - ---g sotoares wrote: > > Name: Gustavo > Nationality: Spanish, living in France since 1987. > Age: 36 > Single ( but in love...) > Profession: Doctor > Personality: Discreet > Last song listenned: Another day, James Taylor. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:27:33 -0700 From: "Manning, Thomas (Tom)" Subject: RE: who are you? > NAME: Tom > MARRIED: Not legally. Gay. > NATIONALITY: Irish-American, live in Denver, Colorado > AGE: 37 > PROFESSION: Product Engineer (But Not a NERD) > PERSONALITY: Yes, I do have one - and a pretty good sense of humour. > Grew up just over a mile from Carly's house in NYC, never saw her in the neighborhood, but I did see her mother in the grocery store. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: Re: The IRA After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has found a new cause to support. I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! Marcia _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:40:54 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: who are you? NAME: Steve MARRIED: yes but not legally (Gay) NATIONALITY: Irish/Italian-American (born & raised in Salem,MA..now reside in Miami Beach) AGE: 36 PROFESSION: Account MGR for an electronics distributor PERSONAL TRAITS: talk a lot but always interrested in listening too! Absolutely love music! I've been lurking for awhile on this list and figured I'd identify myself. Hi colin!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:47:55 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: The IRA I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is a joke. Surely you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women and children? I am damn sure Carly does not. No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up that Oklahoma building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is their people being murdered? Marcia Luna wrote: > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > found a new cause to support. > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > Marcia > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:21:49 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: Re: The IRA I don't appreciate this. I am not making a joke. I am supporting Carly. I saw a picture of her with the leader of the IRA, singing to him. What do you have to say to that? - ---catman wrote: > > I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is a joke. Surely > you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women and children? I > am damn sure Carly does not. > No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up that Oklahoma > building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is their people being > murdered? > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > > found a new cause to support. > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > Marcia > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 07:29:47 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] Marcia: You know I never thought of it that way! I bet almost dying like that DID make Carly re-think a lot of things. She probably took stock of all the things she *thought* were important to her and realized that she had new passions. I wish her much success with her work with the IRA and even if we don't get any new songs specifically about that I know that the passion that she feels *will* makes it's way into her songs and we can ALL enjoy that no matter what our political thoughts are. By the way, and this is meant to be a serious question and I hope it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems to me that Carly attracts an awful lot of gay men. Do any of you know why this is? I just noticed that several men on this board said they were gay and that has been my expericence with guys who like Carly. Just wondering.... Carolyn owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has found a new cause to support. I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! Marcia _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:28:42 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: The IRA Woe woe woe....everbody take a deep breath. I'm sure there was no harm meant on either Marcia or Catman's behalf. Let's not go the way of the joni mitchell discussion list and have on Line arguments. Sorry to intrude on this but I'd hate to see a nice discussion list go sour. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Marcia Luna [SMTP:marcialuna@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:22 AM To: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Re: The IRA I don't appreciate this. I am not making a joke. I am supporting Carly. I saw a picture of her with the leader of the IRA, singing to him. What do you have to say to that? ---catman wrote: > > I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is a joke. Surely > you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women and children? I > am damn sure Carly does not. > No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up that Oklahoma > building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is their people being > murdered? > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > > found a new cause to support. > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > Marcia > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 07:36:59 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] <> Generally, Colin, this tends to be the case. When we hear that a plane goes down in any place in the world, we tend to look to see if there are any Americans on board. This is only natural. You have to understand there are a lot of Irish people who live in the US -- probably more than the number who actually live in Ireland. And they are very supportive of the IRA and would not have a problem with Carly's involvement. In fact, they would be very excited that such a wonderful woman had given her support to such an exciting cause. People in England tend to see it differently as they have been the oppressors for hundreds of years -- just as my people were oppressed by the white people here in the United States for hundreds of years but have managed to remove the shackles as the Irish people will in time. Carolyn Marcia Luna wrote: > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > found a new cause to support. > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > Marcia > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:36:34 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: [Re: The IRA] Hi carolyn....wanted to reply to the mention of gay men being attracted to Carly. I don't think it's a matter of sexuallity but more a matter sensativity. I can only speak for myself when I say that the gay men I've known tend to be more in touch with their feelings than straight men. We don't feel like we have anything to prove and are more comfortable with our sensative side. Some of my best friends happen to be straight but they are in the minority of straight men that aren't afraid to express their softer side. I think carly touches upon a lot of deeper feelings in her music that we aren't afraid to explore and express as gay men. Just a few run on thoughts..... steve -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Long Banks [SMTP:CarolynLongBanks@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:30 AM To: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] Marcia: You know I never thought of it that way! I bet almost dying like that DID make Carly re-think a lot of things. She probably took stock of all the things she *thought* were important to her and realized that she had new passions. I wish her much success with her work with the IRA and even if we don't get any new songs specifically about that I know that the passion that she feels *will* makes it's way into her songs and we can ALL enjoy that no matter what our political thoughts are. By the way, and this is meant to be a serious question and I hope it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems to me that Carly attracts an awful lot of gay men. Do any of you know why this is? I just noticed that several men on this board said they were gay and that has been my expericence with guys who like Carly. Just wondering.... Carolyn owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has found a new cause to support. I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! Marcia _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:36:52 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: RE: The IRA Hello everyone: We are speculating too much... maybe this, maybe that... of course it is completely bizarre to see Carly and Gerry Adams related in any kind of situation... Let us think if this happened before or after the two party's leaders were given the Nobel Prize... ??? Maybe this, maybe that... maybe Carly is just a link, some sort of Peace Sign between the two causes... maybe it was publicity... maybe the meaning is Carly is so neutral, so impartial, she can sing to Gerry on his birthday whether she supports his cause or not. I mean, who knows for sure ? When I was young I remember I heard Paul McCartney sing "Give Ireland Back To The Irish" and by chance someone gave me an EP record with (I guess) "Another Day" in one side and "Ireland" in the B-side. I had a lot of trouble trying to understand the correct meaning of his words, since I am mexican and my language is Spanish... still... I am not 100% I got them all right. But I guess UK should give Ireland back, BUT... that does not mean Northern Ireland is justified to use violence... in fact, NOTHING JUSTIFIES VIOLENCE, not matter what (end doesn't justify the means, is that the correct translation of the opposite to Machiavelo?). Anyway, we are talking about ETHICS regardless of race, nationality, religion, etc. The image of Carly involved with IRA just does not fit in. I do not what to think about. Hopefully, somehow sometime soon, Carly will set things clear. Thank you and so long. On Tuesday, October 27, 1998 8:48 AM, catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] wrote: > I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is a joke. Surely > you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women and children? I > am damn sure Carly does not. > No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up that Oklahoma > building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is their people being > murdered? > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > > found a new cause to support. > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > Marcia > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: Gay People and Carly Carolyn: You are right! Except for that old woman in Mexico whose husband wants to leave her for Carly, everyone seems to be gay??? Well, I have absoluely no problem with it- I adore gay people. Carly must like them too. But I don't think she has a big gay following or she would sale more records or would have a dance club hit. Marcia Luna - ---Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > > Marcia: > > You know I never thought of it that way! I bet almost dying like that DID > make Carly re-think a lot of things. She probably took stock of all the > things she *thought* were important to her and realized that she had new > passions. I wish her much success with her work with the IRA and even if we > don't get any new songs specifically about that I know that the passion that > she feels *will* makes it's way into her songs and we can ALL enjoy that no > matter what our political thoughts are. > > By the way, and this is meant to be a serious question and I hope it doesn't > hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems to me that Carly attracts an awful lot of > gay men. Do any of you know why this is? I just noticed that several men on > this board said they were gay and that has been my expericence with guys who > like Carly. Just wondering.... > > Carolyn > > owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > found a new cause to support. > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > Marcia > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 07:43:43 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [RE: The IRA] Steve: You are absolutely right. But I think they were just having a polite disagreement. They both sound like such nice people and they obviously really care about Carly. Do you live in South Beach? I think that is really pretty down there. Are you HIV+? I know of many brothers who are and have moved to South Beach on disability. I know if I had the luxury of moving anywhere it would be someplace pretty like that. DC gets so cold in the winters and it just has a bad vibe a lot of the time -- which is why I turn on the Carly and drown out the NOISE! :) Take care, Carolyn owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: Woe woe woe....everbody take a deep breath. I'm sure there was no harm meant on either Marcia or Catman's behalf. Let's not go the way of the joni mitchell discussion list and have on Line arguments. Sorry to intrude on this but I'd hate to see a nice discussion list go sour. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Marcia Luna [SMTP:marcialuna@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:22 AM To: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Re: The IRA I don't appreciate this. I am not making a joke. I am supporting Carly. I saw a picture of her with the leader of the IRA, singing to him. What do you have to say to that? ---catman wrote: > > I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is a joke. Surely > you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women and children? I > am damn sure Carly does not. > No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up that Oklahoma > building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is their people being > murdered? > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > > found a new cause to support. > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > Marcia > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 07:47:58 PST From: Carolyn Long Banks Subject: Re: [RE: [Re: The IRA]] Steven: Thank you for sharing your thoughts. What you say makes perfect sense to me. That is why some of my best "girlfriends" have always been gay men. I sometimes wish straight men could be so much fun! We in the African American community are not always accepting of gay men but I have been around so many of them that I know better. Carolyn PERRONIS@pios.com wrote: Hi carolyn....wanted to reply to the mention of gay men being attracted to Carly. I don't think it's a matter of sexuallity but more a matter sensativity. I can only speak for myself when I say that the gay men I've known tend to be more in touch with their feelings than straight men. We don't feel like we have anything to prove and are more comfortable with our sensative side. Some of my best friends happen to be straight but they are in the minority of straight men that aren't afraid to express their softer side. I think carly touches upon a lot of deeper feelings in her music that we aren't afraid to explore and express as gay men. Just a few run on thoughts..... steve -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Long Banks [SMTP:CarolynLongBanks@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:30 AM To: hotcakes@smoe.org Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] Marcia: You know I never thought of it that way! I bet almost dying like that DID make Carly re-think a lot of things. She probably took stock of all the things she *thought* were important to her and realized that she had new passions. I wish her much success with her work with the IRA and even if we don't get any new songs specifically about that I know that the passion that she feels *will* makes it's way into her songs and we can ALL enjoy that no matter what our political thoughts are. By the way, and this is meant to be a serious question and I hope it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems to me that Carly attracts an awful lot of gay men. Do any of you know why this is? I just noticed that several men on this board said they were gay and that has been my expericence with guys who like Carly. Just wondering.... Carolyn owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has found a new cause to support. I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! Marcia _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:51:23 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: Re: who are you? NAME: Margarita AGE: 40 NATIONALITY: Mexican, living in Monterrey, NL STATUS: Married, no children PROFESSION: Accountant : I work in financial information for the corporate headquarters of a large group of companies here in northeast Mexico. I also studied a master in business (MBA) but then I have been more involved in humanities, because I got one diploma in Psycology and one in Philosophy. Now I am studying a Master in Humanities (that's a literal translation from Humanidades in Spanish). I can, more or less, read/write/speak in English, French and German... and some Latin. PERSONALITY: Involved and sensible. I love music of many kinds; films and performing arts. Used to dance when younger. Hasta la vista, Margarita. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: Marcia Luna Subject: Black People Listen to Carly? Carolyn: With all do respect, I can understand the gay people Carly link- but do black people listen to Carly? I have never heard of this before? What first caught your ear? Is your favorite song- "De Bat Fly in Me Face"? Marcia Luna _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:58:26 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: Re: turned sour ? Hello Steve and everyone else: Serious stuff not necesarilly means Sour, does it? I think that if we are respectful and tolerant we can talk about anything we want. I know this is a Carly Simon Discussion List but in a way, I love to see we are realy getting to know each other. Friendship, and relations in general, carry their own risks... but only the one who risks can succeed. We are only getting into deep... but we are all adults and can have a deep conversation and of course, light conversations, funny, hilarious or whatever! Lots of love, Margarita. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:04:51 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: The IRA Like I said-a picture of her singing Happy Birthday to Gerry Adams does NOT mean she is supportive of the IRA or a gun runner. I n your previuos post you said you thought it was great that shw was supporting the IRA. Thus my response. catman Marcia Luna wrote: > I don't appreciate this. I am not making a joke. > I am supporting Carly. I saw a picture of her with the > leader of the IRA, singing to him. > What do you have to say to that? > > ---catman wrote: > > > > I fail to find the humour in this. I can only assume it is a joke. > Surely > > you do not support ther killing and maiming of mean women and > children? I > > am damn sure Carly does not. > > No different from supporting that McVeigh man that blew up that > Oklahoma > > building. Or do Americans only get uptight when it is their people > being > > murdered? > > > > Marcia Luna wrote: > > > > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > > > found a new cause to support. > > > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to > write > > > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > > > > > Marcia > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > > TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:07:14 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Subject: RE: turned sour ? Margarita....thanks for the input. I think I'm a little paranoid when I see discussions get "deep" Maybe because I belong to the Joni Mitchell discussion list and have seen some of the deeper conversations get a lot heavier and I've seen people get their feelings hurt. I guess I try to be a referee a little since I grew up with a dad who was a sports referee! Take care Steve -----Original Message----- From: Margarita Leal [SMTP:mleal@alfa.com.mx] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:58 AM To: 'hotcakes@smoe.org' Subject: Re: turned sour ? Hello Steve and everyone else: Serious stuff not necesarilly means Sour, does it? I think that if we are respectful and tolerant we can talk about anything we want. I know this is a Carly Simon Discussion List but in a way, I love to see we are realy getting to know each other. Friendship, and relations in general, carry their own risks... but only the one who risks can succeed. We are only getting into deep... but we are all adults and can have a deep conversation and of course, light conversations, funny, hilarious or whatever! Lots of love, Margarita. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 17:03:34 PST From: "g sotoares" Subject: Cool..... It has never been my intention to know the sexuallity of anyone. What's happening? I thought that these conversations were "ancestral". I don't really care at all. I thought that we were adults, and these things are not necessary to talk about. Let's talk about Music, Songs, and Carly. Thank you. Gus. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:08:56 -0600 From: Margarita Leal Subject: Re: why many gay ? Hello Colin and Everyone: I ate "letter's soup" and now I am talking too much... seems today I have an opinion an/or comment about everything, don't I ? Well, in my opinion, Carly has such an enormous magnetic personality that attracts people who have enough sensibility to appreciate her music, besides her wonderful voice. My guess is that women and gay people just tend to be more expressive... we like to tell things out... My husband is a true Carly fan but he is not in a discussion board on any subject... my conclussions are only the result of many years lived and not a professional analisys. Fair thee well ... Margarita. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:25:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] Well, you are correct in some sense-Ireland should be united. But before you go branding us as oppressors look no further than your own country. Balck people are not free except in word. Native Americans are ertainly no and it is THEIR country, not yours. And gay people are also not free either. Anmerica represses it's own people and others. It pokes it's nose in where it is not wanted. Yes, the same can be said for many countries, including Britain. Howwver, I do not accuse others whilst thinking my own is wonderful. My main and only objection is the unfounded rumours and gossip about Carly stated as fact. That is not ethical and somewhat childish. catman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:25:27 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: [Re: The IRA] Carolyn Long Banks wrote: > Marcia: > > You know I never thought of it that way! I bet almost dying like that DID > make Carly re-think a lot of things. She probably took stock of all the > things she *thought* were important to her and realized that she had new > passions. I wish her much success with her work with the IRA Please STOP making such ridiculaous and unfaounded satements about Carly. Next you'll be painting her as a terrorist! One picture does NOT mean she supports the IRA.I have a feeling, I hope I am worng, that thses posts are designed to ruffle. I have never heard anything so ridiculous. How do you think Carly would feel knwoing you all think she is now an IRA supporter and that you think it is cool? > and even if we > don't get any new songs specifically about that I know that the passion that > she feels *will* makes it's way into her songs and we can ALL enjoy that no > matter what our political thoughts are. > > By the way, and this is meant to be a serious question and I hope it doesn't > hurt anyone's feelings, but it seems to me that Carly attracts an awful lot of > gay men. Do any of you know why this is? I just noticed that several men on > this board said they were gay and that has been my expericence with guys who > like Carly. Just wondering.... No idea. Apart from people thru the list, I knopw of no other gay men who like her. > > > Carolyn > > owner-hotcakes@smoe.org wrote: > > After she almost died last year, I think it is wonderful Carly has > found a new cause to support. > I am sure she will be inspired by her involvement in the IRA to write > some wonderful songs we all will enjoy! > > Marcia > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of hotcakes-digest V1 #58 *****************************