From: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org (hotcakes-digest) To: hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Subject: hotcakes-digest V1 #3 Reply-To: hotcakes@smoe.org Sender: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-hotcakes-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk hotcakes-digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 003 Today's Subjects: ----------------- My First Carly [catman ] Hotcakes - my first post! [MGVal@aol.com] HOTCAKES-My First Post [catman ] Welcome [catman ] Hotcakes-my first post [catman ] Re:Hotcakes - My First post [catman ] [Fwd: Hotcakes - My First post] [catman ] New member [Les Irvin ] [none] ["Manning, Thomas (Tom)" ] Re: New member [catman ] Re: [catman ] test ignore [catman ] Carly stuff [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: Carly stuff [catman ] Welcome [catman ] Carly in Vanity Fair [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: Carly in Vanity Fair [catman ] Re: Carly in Vanity Fair -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: My First Carly I first heard Carly back in 73. A firend often had Anticipation playing when I went round. After a while it grew on me. I hadn't been into music really before then. I bought the album and then bought Carly Simon, No Secrets and Hotcakes. I was hooked from then on. Apart from two joni Mitchell albums and Tapestry, I had no other albums for a long time. I have avidly awaited each Carly release ever since. To me, her voice is the best I have ever heard. It is is so rich. I sing along but I cannot hit some of the low notes she can! Whe she belts, it sends shivers thru me and makes me come up in goosebumps. Lost In You Love is one such song. I also love her use of the saxophone-about the only instrument I know I like. It has a heartrending sound. I also think carly is very beautiful! The only other woman I think is so beautiful is julia Roberts. They could be mother and daughter, they look so alike. My fave cover shot of carly is on her first Best Of album. Stunning. Also the cover of Hello Big Man and Boys In The Trees. Unfortunately, the worst is the cover of Coming Around Again. it does nothing for her at all. I guess I will be talking to myself for a while till this gets off the ground! bw colin - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:55:37 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Hotcakes - my first post! This post has a couple of intents: not in the least to check out putting the hotcakes address into my address book. While purusing my buddy's CD collection, I noticed that she had the "Hotcakes" album. I confiscated it and hurried back home to give it a spin. Hotcakes was the first Carly album that I bought and the last time I listened to it was way, way back when I listened to vinyl and CDs had not even been invented. (I think that they DID have moveable type, though). Listening to it all this past week, I started actively wondering about the relationship message inherent in these songs. She's happy, she's married, she's about to have a baby. A picture of personal contentment. Coming from a fundamentally messed up family with parents who would never win any "marriage of the year" awards, I realized that part of this album told me that domestic happiness was OK and could happen. This album was also in direct contrast to the other music that I was playing at the time. Most notably, Joni Mitchell's music, (I think that "Miles of Aisles" just came out), which almost always chronicled unhappy romances and a bit of Joan Baez who had "Diamonds and Rust" out at the time. That's about it for now. MG PS Colin, once again, great minds think alike. As I was finishing up this one, your post came in! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:19:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: HOTCAKES-My First Post MGVal@aol.com wrote: > This post has a couple of intents: not in the least to check out putting the > hotcakes address into my address book. Hi MG. Welcome. you name sounds familiar. Have we met elsewhere? > > > While purusing my buddy's CD collection, I noticed that she had the "Hotcakes" > album. I confiscated it and hurried back home to give it a spin. Hotcakes was > the first Carly album that I bought and the last time I listened to it was > way, way back when I listened to vinyl and CDs had not even been invented. (I > think that they DID have moveable type, though). I remember clearly when cd's were not in existence! I know some people gripe about cd's but I much prefer them for sound quality. > > > Listening to it all this past week, I started actively wondering about the > relationship message inherent in these songs. She's happy, she's married, > she's about to have a baby. A picture of personal contentment. Coming from a > fundamentally messed up family with parents who would never win any "marriage > of the year" awards, I realized that part of this album told me that domestic > happiness was OK and could happen. The cover shot of Hotcakes is beautiful. I also like the funny shot in the middle. > > > This album was also in direct contrast to the other music that I was playing > at the time. Most notably, Joni Mitchell's music, (I think that "Miles of > Aisles" just came out), which almost always chronicled unhappy romances and a > bit of Joan Baez who had "Diamonds and Rust" out at the time. Wow! I'm a Joni Mitchell fan too. My what a small world! Yes they are very different from eachother. I think they are both incompareable to anyone else. They both have a very distinctive sound. carly's voice is instantly recognizeable. never heard anyone sound remotely like her. the same can be said for joni. catman > > > That's about it for now. > > MG > > PS Colin, once again, great minds think alike. As I was finishing up this one, > your post came in! - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:05:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Welcome Hi Tom-you are with us now! colin - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:13:18 +0100 From: catman Subject: Hotcakes-my first post Subject: Hotcakes - my first post! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:55:37 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com To: hotcakes@smoe.org This post has a couple of intents: not in the least to check out putting the hotcakes address into my address book. While purusing my buddy's CD collection, I noticed that she had the "Hotcakes" album. I confiscated it and hurried back home to give it a spin. Hotcakes was the first Carly album that I bought and the last time I listened to it was way, way back when I listened to vinyl and CDs had not even been invented. (I think that they DID have moveable type, though). Listening to it all this past week, I started actively wondering about the relationship message inherent in these songs. She's happy, she's married, she's about to have a baby. A picture of personal contentment. Coming from a fundamentally messed up family with parents who would never win any "marriage of the year" awards, I realized that part of this album told me that domestic happiness was OK and could happen. This album was also in direct contrast to the other music that I was playing at the time. Most notably, Joni Mitchell's music, (I think that "Miles of Aisles" just came out), which almost always chronicled unhappy romances and a bit of Joan Baez who had "Diamonds and Rust" out at the time. That's about it for now. MG - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:13:28 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re:Hotcakes - My First post Subject: Re: Hotcakes - my first post! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:14:27 +0100 From: catman To: MGVal@aol.com CC: hotcakes@smoe.org MGVal@aol.com wrote: > This post has a couple of intents: not in the least to check out putting the > hotcakes address into my address book. Hi MG. Welcome. you name sounds familiar. Have we met elsewhere? > > > While purusing my buddy's CD collection, I noticed that she had the "Hotcakes" > album. I confiscated it and hurried back home to give it a spin. Hotcakes was > the first Carly album that I bought and the last time I listened to it was > way, way back when I listened to vinyl and CDs had not even been invented. (I > think that they DID have moveable type, though). I remember clearly when cd's were not in existence! I know some people gripe about cd's but I much prefer them for sound quality. > > > Listening to it all this past week, I started actively wondering about the > relationship message inherent in these songs. She's happy, she's married, > she's about to have a baby. A picture of personal contentment. Coming from a > fundamentally messed up family with parents who would never win any "marriage > of the year" awards, I realized that part of this album told me that domestic > happiness was OK and could happen. The cover shot of Hotcakes is beautiful. I also like the funny shot in the middle. > > > This album was also in direct contrast to the other music that I was playing > at the time. Most notably, Joni Mitchell's music, (I think that "Miles of > Aisles" just came out), which almost always chronicled unhappy romances and a > bit of Joan Baez who had "Diamonds and Rust" out at the time. Wow! I'm a Joni Mitchell fan too. My what a small world! Yes they are very different from eachother. I think they are both incompareable to anyone else. They both have a very distinctive sound. carly's voice is instantly recognizeable. never heard anyone sound remotely like her. the same can be said for joni. catman - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:20:47 +0100 From: catman Subject: [Fwd: Hotcakes - My First post] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------527BD842BF8CB99F487C8341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html - --------------527BD842BF8CB99F487C8341 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <35B35E97.31F3A46D@ethericcats.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:13:28 +0100 From: catman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carly Subject: Re:Hotcakes - My First post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hotcakes - my first post! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:14:27 +0100 From: catman To: MGVal@aol.com CC: hotcakes@smoe.org MGVal@aol.com wrote: > This post has a couple of intents: not in the least to check out putting the > hotcakes address into my address book. Hi MG. Welcome. you name sounds familiar. Have we met elsewhere? > > > While purusing my buddy's CD collection, I noticed that she had the "Hotcakes" > album. I confiscated it and hurried back home to give it a spin. Hotcakes was > the first Carly album that I bought and the last time I listened to it was > way, way back when I listened to vinyl and CDs had not even been invented. (I > think that they DID have moveable type, though). I remember clearly when cd's were not in existence! I know some people gripe about cd's but I much prefer them for sound quality. > > > Listening to it all this past week, I started actively wondering about the > relationship message inherent in these songs. She's happy, she's married, > she's about to have a baby. A picture of personal contentment. Coming from a > fundamentally messed up family with parents who would never win any "marriage > of the year" awards, I realized that part of this album told me that domestic > happiness was OK and could happen. The cover shot of Hotcakes is beautiful. I also like the funny shot in the middle. > > > This album was also in direct contrast to the other music that I was playing > at the time. Most notably, Joni Mitchell's music, (I think that "Miles of > Aisles" just came out), which almost always chronicled unhappy romances and a > bit of Joan Baez who had "Diamonds and Rust" out at the time. Wow! I'm a Joni Mitchell fan too. My what a small world! Yes they are very different from eachother. I think they are both incompareable to anyone else. They both have a very distinctive sound. carly's voice is instantly recognizeable. never heard anyone sound remotely like her. the same can be said for joni. catman - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html - --------------527BD842BF8CB99F487C8341-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:01:58 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: New member Hi folks - Just wanted to introduce myself and say hello! I heard this Carly list was operated by the world's best Carly fan so I wanted to get in on the ground floor. I'll tell you, the anticipation waiting for this list to come about was killing me. (let it be known that I issued the first bad joke on the list) Congrats and cheers to Colin - the master listmaster. Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:18:52 -0600 From: "Manning, Thomas (Tom)" Subject: [none] Hi everyone, Thanks to Colin for setting this up. The Ziva board is rather dull. This may be a more intimate and fun way to keep up on the latest with dear ole Carly. I'm listening to her as I pen this little note. She's crooning "Black Honeymoon". Anyone have news on her health condition? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:45:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: New member Aw shucks! Thankyou, kind sir! I'll forgive you the bad joke too! catman Les Irvin wrote: > Hi folks - > Just wanted to introduce myself and say hello! I heard this Carly list was > operated by the world's best Carly fan so I wanted to get in on the ground > floor. I'll tell you, the anticipation waiting for this list to come about > was killing me. (let it be known that I issued the first bad joke on the > list) > > Congrats and cheers to Colin - the master listmaster. > Les - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:45:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: hi tom-glad you got here. It will take time to grow but I am sure it will. I have the Carly Simon Discussion List web page up which gives instructions how to get here. It has gone out to all the search engines so soon will come up when anyone puts a search in for Carly Simon. As for Carly's health, the last i heard was that she was well and the chemo had worked. I was somewhat surprised that it was in the papers and on tv here-i didn't think she was that well known. catman Manning, Thomas (Tom) wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Thanks to Colin for setting this up. The Ziva board is rather dull. > This may be a more intimate and fun way to keep up on > the latest with dear ole Carly. > > I'm listening to her as I pen this little note. She's crooning > "Black Honeymoon". > > Anyone have news on her health condition? > > Tom - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:54:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: test ignore - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:38 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Carly stuff Someone who sounds REAL familiar as though perhaps, just maybe, I know him from somewhere else wrote: >> I was somewhat surprised that it was in the papers and on tv here-i didn't think she was that well known. Here across the pond, at the very least, Carly is a famous New Yorker/East Coaster. Famous for her friendship with Jackie Onassis, from a famous New York family, (the Simons, oddly enough), famous for her work to perserve the Upper West Side, (or East Side, I can never remember), famous for her house on Martha's Vineyard. Of course, there was also the exposure via "Vanity Fair" with the article from a year or two ago about her family. Also, breast cancer has been more and more of a newsworthy item these days what with the postage stamp to fund research and heightened awareness of the whole deal. A celebrity going public with breast cancer gets them plastered all over the media. Bad for their privacy, but comes along with the blessing of bringing breast cancer out of the hidden. MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:52:47 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly stuff Mary Grace Valentinsson wrote: > Someone who sounds REAL familiar as though perhaps, just maybe, I > know him from somewhere else wrote: I was thinking the same thing. I am sure we know eachother from somewhere else. Since I don't drink, I know I didn't ....with you. > > > >> I was somewhat surprised that it was in the papers and on tv here-i > didn't think she was that well known. > > Here across the pond, at the very least, Carly is a famous New > Yorker/East Coaster. Famous for her friendship with Jackie Onassis, > from a famous New York family, (the Simons, oddly enough), famous for > her work to perserve the Upper West Side, (or East Side, I can never > remember), famous for her house on Martha's Vineyard. I didn't know any of that for many many years. I didn't even realise she was Jewish till LNS came out. I knew she was from Simon&Schauster tho. I only realised she was friends with Jackie O when Jackie died.The other stuff you mention I didn't know. I only found out Martha's Vineyard was a place, and not the name of her house, last year when i travelled to NE and was looking at the map! > > > Of course, there was also the exposure via "Vanity Fair" with the article > from a year or two ago about her family. I have never seen it. > > > Also, breast cancer has been more and more of a newsworthy item > these days what with the postage stamp to fund research and > heightened awareness of the whole deal. A celebrity going public with > breast cancer gets them plastered all over the media. Bad for their > privacy, but comes along with the blessing of bringing breast cancer out > of the hidden. Hopefully, the cure for all cancers is not far away. They have at lkeast found a new pain killer which works. catman > > > MG - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:53:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Welcome Welcome Susan! - -- Living is the process whereby we create the structures we call meaning. http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk Carly Simon Discussion List http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:06:27 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Carly in Vanity Fair >>> catman 07/20/98 12:52pm >>> >>I have never seen it. Since my motto is "when in doubt, throw it out," I have nothing saved. The story, to the best of my limited memory, went a little something like this: Carly sat and talked with the journalist at great length. To the best of my knowledge, the journalist was a family friend. I don't know why, but I'm thinking Nora Ephron. The uproar was that Carly felt she was sharing memories, "off the record," while the writer felt otherwise. What was aired was the severity of the dsyfunction of her family. According to the article, the mother had a long affair with a young man who was hired to be someone's tutor or caregiver. Carried it on in front of dad and the rest of the family. Maybe not so much a blatant affair, but one where it was known yet not spoken about. Family dsyfunction is hard enough to deal with, much less when it gets published in a national publication. And that's all I remember from this article. You might want to see if Vanity Fair has anything archived. I know that I read it out here on the West Coast, so the article can't be any more than 5 years old. MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:13:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly in Vanity Fair I knew, from one of the Carly boards that Carly was not happy with that article. She might be rich and from a rich family, but as they say, money does gaurantee health and happiness. catman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:22:13 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: Carly in Vanity Fair -Reply >>> catman 07/20/98 01:13pm >>> I knew, from one of the Carly boards that Carly was not happy with that article. She might be rich and from a rich family, but as they say, money does guarantee health and happiness. Freudian slip there, pal. Unless, of course, you've been talking to my moronic brother who is SURE money does guarantee health and happiness. On the other hand, I'm fairly certain that money does guarantee a pretty fabulous shoe wardrobe. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:50:10 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Pamela Polland - Heart Of The World Hi there. This is a shameless plug for a new album I've just heard: Pamela Polland - Heart Of The World (Ivory Moon 6795) Pamela Polland is, as you may know, not a new recording artist. She has three former albums on Columbia and Epic to her credit, as well as being part of Joe Cocker's "Mad Dog & Englishmen" tour, album and movie. Over the course of her 30 years in the business, she has both performed and recorded with Jackson Browne, Van Morrison, John Denver, Taj Mahal and a host of others. Her songs have been recorded by Linda Ronstadt, Helen Reddy, The Byrds, Vicki Carr, Nancy Ames and Bobby Bare. This new album is produced by Gary Remal Malkin and features guest appearances by Bonnie Raitt, Chris Hillman, Kenny Loggins, Marc Russo and several others. Highly recommended!! Copies can be purchased from Pamela at: peemer@aloha.net If you give it a try, please remember to say hi from me! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ End of hotcakes-digest V1 #3 ****************************