From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V8 #10 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Friday, April 8 2005 Volume 08 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!! [James McGarry ] Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!! [Greg Teltschik ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:08:24 -0400 (EDT) From: James McGarry Subject: Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!! On Wed, 6 Apr 2005, Greg Teltschik wrote: > Emm Gryner uses metaphors and obtuse references extensively in her lyrics > [to obfuscate|distance herself|get her point across]. (You can pick one or > make up your own.) Yes! Its all sort of on a knife's edge of neo-romantic and post-modern/post-structuralist. I've often thought of a sort of 'pop-up video' website for a song or two with some of the obscure references explained; some songs are laden with them and some have only a couple. I'm far to lazy/busy/clueless to do this myself. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Gustilo Subject: Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Allie, Ooo, I think you picked a tough artist to do a paper about. Considering your class is about "Impact of the Press on the Music Business." Emm Gryner is far from being controversial to the point of Madonna or Michael Jackson notoreity to be mentioned in any media catering to the masses. What has Emm Gryner been throughout most of her career? I believe may be considered by some as a low-key persona. Perhaps, your thesis could be about Emm Gryner " devoid of any significant recognition by a popular magazine, newspaper, or other forms of press, Emm Gryner made sacrifices to maintain the integrity and heart of her music." Simply put, you could finalize the paper to read, "Emm Gryner does not make music for business; instead, it's her business to make music." I dunno it seems that I may be also talking out of my arse. Ciao and good luck, John. - --- Greg Teltschik wrote: > I guess the biggest problem I see is that those > songs were on an album > released by Mercury Records, which can hardly be > considered independent > (she was dropped when Polygram and Universal merged, > relegating Mercury to > an imprint under Island Def Jam). > > Suggestions I can offer (but may not be right) > include: > > Emm Gryner proves that independent musicians can > flourish without the > backing of a major label. (You can talk about Dead > Daisy records, Emm's > success as an indie, positive press she gets, etc.) > - maybe too broad > > Emm Gryner uses similar phrases and common words > throughout many of her > lyrics (maybe you can draw some conclusion?). > > Emm Gryner uses metaphors and obtuse references > extensively in her lyrics > [to obfuscate|distance herself|get her point > across]. (You can pick one or > make up your own.) > > Emm Gryner is an indie musician who embraces her > ethnic background while > appealing to a larger audience. (if too broad, > rewrite to focus on a > specific song or album or whatever...For example, > explain how Songs of Love > and Death allowed Emm to explore her Irish > heritage). > > I dunno. I hope this helps. > > Greg > > At 12:33 PM 4/6/2005, A. T. wrote: > >Ok headliners, > > > >I'm sending out the call I need your help. I am > taking a class called > >Impact of the Press on the Music Business. For our > midterm we have to > >choose one author and write about one aspect of > their music. > >I chose Emm Gryner. I was going to write about how > her Filipino? Irish > >heritage has influenced her lyrically/ musically > but that was too borad. > > > >Here is my new revised (for about the 35 th time) > thesis: Emm Gryner uses > >her position as an independent artist to create > lyrics that crtiziciz the > >mainstream music industry. > > > >here's the problem: I do onot know if I have enough > content lyrically, i > >know some songs where she sings about the business > such as Phonecall45, > >and Hook Machine > >Am I missing anything??? > >How can I add to this? > >If this does not work does anyone have any > suggestions on another thesis ( > >it has to be VERY narrow) > >let me know if ya can help thanks for reading and > happy listening! > > > >Allie > > > > > >On the Wisdom Bus heading into town...I'll pay the > fare to be a believer > > > >~ Emm Gryner > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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A.T. wrote: > Here is my new revised (for about the 35 th time) thesis: Emm > Gryner uses her position as an independent artist to create lyrics > that crtiziciz the mainstream music industry. from good riddance, on _science fair_ > Urban hello > Electric holiday > Whatever you say but you don't speak for me > You don't speak for anyone > All the paper fools downtown on the corner > Killing the trampoline delay "killing the trampoline delay" "the trampoline delay" was a record by transistor sound and lighting co. the record company shelved it. her stuff is all so obscure, you'll have a hard time coming up with examples. paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / your love is better than ice cream / better than anything else that i've tried / - -- Sarah McLachlan, "Ice Cream" [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:37:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Greg Teltschik Subject: Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!! Paul has got a point here, which I noticed last night while running through a lot of Emm's song lyrics: I have no idea what she's saying half the time, and I'm sure I don't catch most of the references. I just enjoy the music and blindly sing along. This whole topic made me realize something else, too, which is that Emm rarely explains the meanings behind her songs. I know she's written songs for this or that person, but for the most part I don't have a clue. I never would have known the reference Paul pointed out. Greg - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schreiber Sent: Apr 7, 2005 1:13 AM To: leftofcenter21@yahoo.com, Headline Girl Subject: Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!! from good riddance, on _science fair_ > Urban hello > Electric holiday > Whatever you say but you don't speak for me > You don't speak for anyone > All the paper fools downtown on the corner > Killing the trampoline delay "killing the trampoline delay" "the trampoline delay" was a record by transistor sound and lighting co. the record company shelved it. her stuff is all so obscure, you'll have a hard time coming up with examples. paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / your love is better than ice cream / better than anything else that i've tried / - -- Sarah McLachlan, "Ice Cream" [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:55:43 +0200 (CEST) From: "Chirag Mehta" Subject: Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!! I think that is the case with a lot of song writers though. Most of the songs that I write, I have a ideain my head but then words come out that seem to make no sense when I read back at them. People have different impressions on them, and I kind of know what I meant when I wrote them, but not fully. They just sounded good at the time! > Paul has got a point here, which I noticed last night while running through a lot of Emm's song lyrics: I have no idea what she's saying half the time, and I'm sure I don't catch most of the references. I just enjoy the music and blindly sing along. > > This whole topic made me realize something else, too, which is that Emm rarely explains the meanings behind her songs. I know she's written songs for this or that person, but for the most part I don't have a clue. I never would have known the reference Paul pointed out. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Schreiber > Sent: Apr 7, 2005 1:13 AM > To: leftofcenter21@yahoo.com, Headline Girl > Subject: Re: Headliners , PLEASE HELP!!!!!!! > > from good riddance, on _science fair_ > > Urban hello > > Electric holiday > > Whatever you say but you don't speak for me > > You don't speak for anyone > > All the paper fools downtown on the corner > > Killing the trampoline delay > "killing the trampoline delay" > > "the trampoline delay" was a record by transistor sound and lighting > co. the record company shelved it. > > her stuff is all so obscure, you'll have a hard time coming up with > examples. > > > > paul > > > shad 96c / uw cs 2001 > / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper > fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / > > your love is better than ice cream / > better than anything else that i've tried / > -- Sarah McLachlan, "Ice Cream" > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V8 #10 **********************************