From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V6 #53 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Friday, March 21 2003 Volume 06 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- war [Joni Daniels ] Re: war [Marc McRae ] Re: war ["ashley payne" ] war [Im sick ] NSC/NEC: Be Good Tanyas ["James McGarry" ] Re: NEC: feist ["James McGarry" ] Americans - ignorance and arrogance [Beachbum13 ] Fwd: An apology to Americans [Marc McRae ] Re: war [Beachbum13 ] re: war (I had an epiphany!) [John Gustilo ] Re: war [Plmrrik@aol.com] headliners..... [Stereocrumb@aol.com] NEC: The war ["Anthony Toney" ] this may be a dumb question [Stereocrumb@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:20:54 -0500 From: Joni Daniels Subject: war I find this discussion very interesting. It's like a little microcosm of the world. First, one thoughtful American (Trish) said she was curious to know what the Canadians on the list thought about the war. Immediately however, a bunch of Americans jumped in with very strong and lengthy opinions. A couple of Canadians ventured into the fray with the widely held (Canadian) opinion that this war is wrong (yes, Greg, there are alternatives. In fact peaceful disarmament and more stringent inspections was going along quite nicely until Bush decided that a peaceful end wouldn't give him the opportunity to display the US muscle). Several American list members jumped in to prove that all Americans aren't gun-toting cowboy pugilists (probably, in fact, a majority since we all know that more American people voted AGAINST Bush in the presidential election! Democracy? Hah! What happened to one person one vote - not in America). Who decided that it was America's job to fix the world? Not the U.N. And speaking of the U.N. does America forget that it made an international pact half a century ago to investigate and act as a unified world group to find peaceful resolutions to the world's troubles? The U.N. might as well pack their bags and head home. Here's a statistic for you: In the past 60 years, America has staged "interventions" to ensure freedom and democracy in other countries 19 times. How many successes? ZERO. Doesn't work guys. Try something else. And don't get me started on the covert actions of the CIA. Oops. Didn't mean to rant. One Canadian's opinion. Joni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:17:25 -0500 (EST) From: Marc McRae Subject: Re: war I won't say awhole lot on this matter because I get far to worked up. But as terrible a person Saddam is Bush is just as bad. The Iraqi people see bush in the same light Americans see Saddam. The fact is that most of the horrible things that happen in the world are either funded or acted out by the american government and its people. Americans for the most part are so wrapped up in their combination of ignorance and arrogance they don't see that are the 'worst' country in the world. America is the evil the little child of the world. Filled with other countries rejects and criminals. That is why there is more violent crime in the states then anywhere in the world. If any place in the world needs to be disarmed and torn to pieces its the USA. If it wasn't for the way the states are most terrorist wouldn't have a target for there anger. If Canada wasn't in so much danger the states would be my first choice for nuclear cleansing. have a nice day Marc ===== Marc McRae "Purity will kill you..." - Emm Gryner ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:03:08 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "ashley payne" Subject: Re: war i wasn't going to respond to this,but i will briefly...=0D =0D =0D "Americans for the most part are so wrapped up=0D in their combination of ignorance and arrogance they=0D don't see that are the 'worst' country in the world."=0D =0D i feel this war is not justified,but turning this argument into a nationalistic debate is not a good idea at all. it is not about the count= ry it's about the leaders involved. we are at the mercy of our government putting down americans and the states in general is not getting to the ro= ot of the problem.there was a strong opposition against this war in the stat= es but the government knew what they were going to do from the very beginnin= g it's all politics. I love my country,but dislike this current=20 administration.i just hope for the best. that's all we can do right now.=0D =0D regards=0D Ashley=0D =0D - -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Marc McRae=0D Date: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:18:13 AM=0D To: headline-girl@smoe.org=0D Subject: Re: war=0D =0D I won't say awhole lot on this matter because I get=0D far to worked up.=0D =0D But as terrible a person Saddam is Bush is just as=0D bad. The Iraqi people see bush in the same light=0D Americans see Saddam. The fact is that most of the=0D horrible things that happen in the world are either=0D funded or acted out by the american government and its=0D people. Americans for the most part are so wrapped up=0D in their combination of ignorance and arrogance they=0D don't see that are the 'worst' country in the world. =0D America is the evil the little child of the world. =0D Filled with other countries rejects and criminals. =0D That is why there is more violent crime in the states=0D then anywhere in the world. If any place in the world=0D needs to be disarmed and torn to pieces its the USA. =0D If it wasn't for the way the states are most terrorist=0D wouldn't have a target for there anger. If Canada=0D wasn't in so much danger the states would be my first=0D choice for nuclear cleansing.=0D =0D have a nice day=0D =0D Marc=0D =0D =0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D Marc McRae=0D "Purity will kill you..."=0D - - Emm Gryner=0D =0D ______________________________________________________________________ =0D Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca=0D =2E=20 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:45:49 -0800 (PST) From: Im sick Subject: war Bush claims he is trying to liberate the people of Iraq from that horrible dictator, saddam. My question: who will liberate the U.S. from that idiot president, GW Bush? If anyone caught "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" the other night, it started with: "Warning to France - when George W. Bush figures out where you are, you're next!" Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:39:50 -0500 From: "James McGarry" Subject: NSC/NEC: Be Good Tanyas Check them out... CBC 1... I like them, they're nicely melodic, but may not appeal to those who aren't too kean on traditional country music. Think of them as younger, less scrappy versions of Oh Susanna, sans murder ballads. I really dug their first release Blue Horse. Y'all remind me to mention them for Hillside ;-P James. P.S. Since I'm a bit sans radio (except on the computer)... if someone happens to record this... please let me know. :-) More info on the Tanyas at: http://www.begoodtanyas.com/ CBC RADIO ONE Richardson's Roundup Tuesday, March 25, 2 p.m. Recorded live in Vancouver, a concert with "The Be Good Tanyas," a Vancouver group currently taking Britain by storm. They'll perform from their new CD, China Town. Also, Steven Galloway reads from his new novel, Ascension, and a conversation with filmmaker Mina Shum whose film, Long Life, Happiness and Prosperity, is in theatres now. http://www.cbc.ca/roundup/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:44:13 -0500 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: NEC: feist - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Re: NEC: feist > i dig the new sound... but monarch was also really good -- very fragmented > and beautiful.. but hell, she's so beautiful herself.. Its what almost three years now and I still play Monarch pretty regularly, its one of the best Canadian albums ever. So good all the way through. Her works have passion that others merely aspire to. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:22:49 -0500 From: Beachbum13 Subject: Americans - ignorance and arrogance This is the most asinine post I may have ever read. This post was made for no other reason than to piss people off. If this list is moderated. I call for a warning or a banning of this person. Beachbum13 beachbum13@comcast.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc McRae" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: war > I won't say awhole lot on this matter because I get > far to worked up. > > But as terrible a person Saddam is Bush is just as > bad. The Iraqi people see bush in the same light > Americans see Saddam. The fact is that most of the > horrible things that happen in the world are either > funded or acted out by the american government and its > people. Americans for the most part are so wrapped up > in their combination of ignorance and arrogance they > don't see that are the 'worst' country in the world. > America is the evil the little child of the world. > Filled with other countries rejects and criminals. > That is why there is more violent crime in the states > then anywhere in the world. If any place in the world > needs to be disarmed and torn to pieces its the USA. > If it wasn't for the way the states are most terrorist > wouldn't have a target for there anger. If Canada > wasn't in so much danger the states would be my first > choice for nuclear cleansing. > > have a nice day > > Marc > > > ===== > Marc McRae > "Purity will kill you..." > - Emm Gryner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Marc McRae Subject: Fwd: An apology to Americans Note: forwarded message attached. ===== Marc McRae "Purity will kill you..." - Emm Gryner ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: rm_mcrae@yahoo.ca via 66.218.79.60; 20 Mar 2003 10:07:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from 64.4.15.122 (EHLO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.122) by mta113.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 10:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:07:58 -0800 Received: from 24.226.123.99 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:07:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.123.99] X-Originating-Email: [niknak747@hotmail.com] From: "Nikki Fordham" To: ckramer60@hotmail.com, barrygrindlay@hotmail.com, crev3ba@yahoo.ca, papa_smurf10@hotmail.com, digger_grant@msn.com, babiy8@hotmail.com, jae_yerex@hotmail.com, koop_11@hotmail.com, healer08@hotmail.com, kylenebarton@hotmail.com, laura31_@hotmail.com, starr_6000@hotmail.com, lizadesjardine@hotmail.com, partygirl7ca@hotmail.com, zezzy1@hotmail.com, ladyrock34@hotmail.com, michelle_denney23@yahoo.ca, carol.fordham@sympatico.ca, nickpujic@msn.com, shanehodgson69@hotmail.com, jeronimo_33@hotmail.com, rm_mcrae@yahoo.ca, trevor_william78@hotmail.com, roqin@hotmail.com Subject: Fwd: An apology to Americans Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:07:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2003 18:07:58.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[A33D7DB0:01C2EF0B] Content-Length: 1844 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain >From: "nicola morris" >To: leyteamy@hotmail.com, a.rivard@shaw.ca, ataylor@on.maxxam.ca, >blairmacfarlane@hotmail.com, chels_492@hotmail.com, >dyljones@nortelnetworks.com, in_thin_air@hotmail.com, gurbirrana@yahoo.ca, >jamiewhitelaw@hotmail.com, jarod_smith23@hotmail.com, jbenallick@yahoo.com, >lisajayne_hall@hotmail.com, jmareerossi@hotmail.com, >jessicajubjub@yahoo.com, jimgraytm@yahoo.ca, joecuric@yahoo.com, >julia_timmins@hotmail.com, ttkgraham@hotmail.com, count_macula@hotmail.com, >towerton3000@yahoo.ca, djleeroe@yahoo.com, henriettapusycat@hotmail.com, >llynde_morris@hotmail.com, mattbartholomew@hotmail.com, >lucillemorris@hotmail.com, niknak747@hotmail.com, dougm11@hotmail.com, >cm_rose@hotmail.com, seanleslierob@hotmail.com, shawnmcampbell@hotmail.com, >staceytayler@hotmail.com, scukulin@sympatico.ca, and8mac@hotmail.com, >taniarak@yahoo.com, shepherdtim@hotmail.com, dreamakyr@hotmail.com >Subject: Fwd: An apology to Americans >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:34:34 +0000 > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail [demime 0.97c removed a section which didn't have a content-type header] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:59:14 -0500 From: Beachbum13 Subject: Re: war >Isn't one of USA favorite > claims freedom of speech. But I guess that only > applies when Americans agree with the opinion given. This is a music list for Emm Gryner not a platform for your anti-American bullshit. If I want to read this type of post I can go to the Dixie Chicks list! Beachbum13 beachbum13@comcast.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc McRae" To: "Beachbum13" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: war > That post was given to give my opinion whether you > like it or dislike it. Isn't one of USA favorite > claims freedom of speech. But I guess that only > applies when americans agree with the opinion given. > Its simple fact that America kills more people then > any other country. I am not creating things to talk > about. the nuclear cleansing may have been taking > things to far but lik ei said I get worked up about > it. I do have alot of american friends that don't fit > the label offered but the facts still remain. The > world would be in better shape if the US wasn't so > involved with everybody elses business. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc McRae" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:17 AM > > Subject: Re: war > > > > > > > I won't say awhole lot on this matter because I > > get > > > far to worked up. > > > > > > But as terrible a person Saddam is Bush is just as > > > bad. The Iraqi people see bush in the same light > > > Americans see Saddam. The fact is that most of > > the > > > horrible things that happen in the world are > > either > > > funded or acted out by the american government and > > its > > > people. Americans for the most part are so > > wrapped up > > > in their combination of ignorance and arrogance > > they > > > don't see that are the 'worst' country in the > > world. > > > America is the evil the little child of the > > world. > > > Filled with other countries rejects and criminals. > > > That is why there is more violent crime in the > > states > > > then anywhere in the world. If any place in the > > world > > > needs to be disarmed and torn to pieces its the > > USA. > > > If it wasn't for the way the states are most > > terrorist > > > wouldn't have a target for there anger. If Canada > > > wasn't in so much danger the states would be my > > first > > > choice for nuclear cleansing. > > > > > > have a nice day > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Marc McRae > > > "Purity will kill you..." > > > - Emm Gryner > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > > > > > > > ===== > Marc McRae > "Purity will kill you..." > - Emm Gryner > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: John Gustilo Subject: re: war (I had an epiphany!) Hi everyone, First, let me state that I'm agnostic and not a die-hard Christian fanatic. Yes, one and all, I had an epiphany last night. A revelation, if you will. About Jesus and his life. And how that affects our lives. As many of you well know already, there's a war. Now, you have to ask yourself what would Jesus be doing if he were alive today. Would he be preaching? No, Jesus would be out in the world teaching and providing the world with its sense of humanity. Briefly, Einstein stated that "our technology has surpassed our humanity." Exactly, what does this mean? Example: We are using loaded guns as back-scratchers, megaphones and speakers, and noise-makers. We as a society have disregarded responsibility and compassion to one another for false sense of security, erroneous peace of mind, and depriving others the same standard of living. How does Jesus exactly fit into the picture? Jesus was a fisherman, a carpenter, foremost an example of how we all should live. Jesus was showing people how to provide for themselves. Feed, clothe, and shelter themselves. Jesus wasn't leading them; he was showing them, no, us how to lead ourselves. According to the taoist book, 'The Way of Life',the best leader is absent in his followers' minds. A good leader is not good, because he leaves himself to failure. A bad leader is evidently worse for the people. And Jesus was exactly that! Jesus was a learning resource for his followers. Of course, their still exists the open-ended questions pending on the entirety of Christianity. But what I'm pinpointing is Jesus' selflessness. He considered his actions would best suited With over 4 billion people on Earth, we have divided our efforts into destroying each other and not providing for each other. We have built bombs that can kill hundreds of thousands if not millions, but nothing to feed them. Are our efforts as mankind wasted on placating our fears? I am nearly pessimistic to believe that we would rather adhere to our basic instincts of survival, then perservere and try to overcome our fears. So, Jesus died as he did. Accepting that Jesus is only part of the universe. Jesus knew he is part of the world, and the two were not separate entities binded by natural laws of cause and effect. What affects one happens to the others. By example, Jesus demonstrates two things: 1)His life, his actions affect the world. Jesus chose not to bring violence. Instead, he lived peacably. 2) By his death, his inactions still affect the world. Jesus accepted his role in the world and chose to act in accordance to the good of all. Clarity. Awareness. Not obscurity caused by fear. Not ignorance due to closed minds. It should not be United States and Iraq? The US and the UN. The US and the rest of the world. Instead, we, the world, are the world. We are only divided by invisible man-made lines. No US. No Iraq. Just the world. We are one entity. We are one world. WE ARE! WE ARE! WE ARE!!! Be as Jesus. Are you committed enough to act on the belief that helping others affects you? John. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:32:03 EST From: Plmrrik@aol.com Subject: Re: war Well, I wasn't going to respond to this either but..................... First, yes beachbum13 was correct, this is a music list for Emm. But he was wrong about his comment about statements being anti American. they are not anti American they are anti war. I am an American and proud or it. I am not terribly proud of an unprovoked war which is not supported my most of the world And as for the Dixie chicks, I thought one of the things we were fighting for was freedom, as in freedom of speech. I am glad Natalie Maines had the courage to speak her mind and that she was able to be heard by so many people I only hope when this war is over I will still be able to say: "I am an American, And proud of it" ----Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:34:58 EST From: Stereocrumb@aol.com Subject: headliners..... hey all i know everyone is bent out of shape about the war and all...but beachbum made a good point...this is an EMM list not a list for everyones opinion on the war...whether its got reason or not it's happening and there isn't much that can stop it. btw does anyone have any GOOD news..? ps..this is to trish...i wish for the best and hope that marc comes back alright! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:40:58 -0500 From: "Anthony Toney" Subject: NEC: The war Hey everyone, I just read yesterdays posts and was particularly drawn to the views of the war. I am not looking to bash anyone on their views or beliefs on what is going on. It's just that I have a very strong opinion of what is happening and reasons for it. I agree with Greg. And I stand with President Bush and Prime Minister Blair on their decision. I know this stance may not make me popular but please hear me out. Today Hans Blix, the chief weapons inspector for the UN, came out and said that no matter how much time or how many inspectors he had he would never have been able to find Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. Weapons he said he knows are there. It is speculated that he didn't say this at the Security Council because of fear that Saddam would have the inspectors that were in Iraq killed in response. President Bush already knew inspections would never work. The President is privy to information that the citizens of the world cannot know. It's not that he is keeping secrets. If we were told of secret weapon development sites or storage sites in Iraq the first thing Saddam would do (he watches the news too) is move the site. The second thing he would do is find out who leaked the information. (He has had 12 years of practice hiding weapons from the world; he would know it was someone from the inside.) He would use torture or what ever was necessary to find out who it was and then deal with them. This would hurt the world in two ways. One, we would loose an inside person that supplied information on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Two, it would be much harder to recruit new people to help our intelligence agencies after they see that we will just give them up. The longer we let Saddam go, the more weapons he will amass. Who cares right? He's all the way over there. He can't hurt us. Well we already know he is a danger to his neighbors. He did invade Kuwait only 12 years ago. He hates Israel. If you need proof of this it is a fact that Saddam pays each of the families of suicide bombers in Israel $30,000 US. No one disputes the fact that he is basically paying for the murder of Jews. It is also a fact that he systematically exterminated Iraqi Kurds in mass quantities and used deadly poison gas on his own cities to murder Iraqi citizens. We all know he hates the US and all of the free world. There is nothing he would like more than to attack us. But he can't right? He's too far away. That's where Al Qaeda comes in; here is Saddam with all these weapons of mass destruction, just itching to use them. If he uses them against Israel or anyone else he will be retaliated against and he will be destroyed. But, if he gives the weapons to Al Qaeda, trains them how to use them, and they transport and detonate the weapon in the US, Israel, Britain or any country. The amount of life lost can be unbelievable, especially if they decide to hit many targets at the same time. Saddam can sit back and enjoy the fruits of his labor with plausible deniability, "I have nothing to do with Al Qaeda". Don't kid yourself, they (Saddam and Al Qaeda) would love to kill as many of us as they can. In the 1930s Hitler was coming to power in Germany. Many saw the army he was creating as a threat. He even invaded a country. The world decided to appease Hitler. They tried to use diplomatic means to solve there problems with him. What was the cost of that decision? 55 million dead... 55 million lives lost. How many would have been saved if action was taken to stop him before he amassed his army? We'll never know the answer to that. Just like we'll never know how many lives would have been lost if President Bush had not taken action against Iraq before Saddam had time to build up his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and give them to Al Qaeda. Dictators like Hitler and Saddam only understand one thing. Military force. Nothing else will stop them from trying to kill as many "infidels" as they can. The world isn't perfect, sometimes war is necessary. Please remember, whether you are for or against war. Those 300,000 or so troops over in Iraq are fighting, and some will be dying, to protect all of us. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:56:37 EST From: Stereocrumb@aol.com Subject: this may be a dumb question has anyone on here ever filed their taxes online? if so are there any suggestions you can make ...like free filing and stuff like that...?? ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V6 #53 **********************************