From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V5 #174 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Thursday, August 22 2002 Volume 05 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- banner weekend ["emmgrynerfan1 friend" ] Re: banner weekend ["ashley payne" ] [none] [Im sick ] Rush of blood to Toronto [iamthechan ] Re: newgirl / Re: picture (again) [HulaCherry@aol.com] RE: ["Tom Giarratano" ] RE: you've been told to shut your trapp pixie! ["Tom Giarratano" ] positive energy, etc [Joni Daniels ] Re: Chart ["emmgrynerfan1 friend" ] RE: positive energy, etc ["Tom Giarratano" ] RE: positive energy, etc ["Tom Giarratano" ] ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. ["Julian C. Dunn" Subject: banner weekend boy! Emm has definitely had some interesting findings the past few days... first she had her home address posted on her own EMMbassy, prompting its closure.. and then she appeared nude on both her own and Slean's mailing list. i wonder if this is the type of exposure Emm was looking forward to?! regards egfan#1 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:23:43 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "ashley payne" Subject: Re: banner weekend That's really low-I haven't heard of the address thing...Some people are just_______ You all can fill in the blanks. Why?I don't understand any of= it =2E.I should go back to keeping silent, this all just to scary for me!=0D =0D Ashley=0D =0D - -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: emmgrynerfan1 friend=0D Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:18:06 PM=0D To: headline-girl@smoe.org=0D Subject: banner weekend=0D =0D boy!=0D =0D Emm has definitely had some interesting findings the past few days...=0D =0D first she had her home address posted on her own EMMbassy, prompting its = =0D closure..=0D =0D and then she appeared nude on both her own and Slean's mailing list.=0D =0D i wonder if this is the type of exposure Emm was looking forward to?!=0D =0D regards=0D egfan#1=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D _________________________________________________________________=0D Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com=0D =2E [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Im sick Subject: [none] ton giarRATano-jenn tODD-heidi-fishHook girl-billy pilgrim-coventry: you have posted on the emmbassy or here as all these characters. my east coast medical student friends have other names for you - dissociative disorder, delusional disorder, borderline personality disorder. how many times have you checked yourself into a mental hospital? my east coast angel says more than once in the last year. better get some more help. egfan#1: you sound like that mad neighbor. are you one in the same? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: iamthechan Subject: Rush of blood to Toronto I am fortunate to have great seats to the upcoming Coldplay show in TO. Any thoughts on the new album? I have only heard a few songs and have yet to form a solid opinion other than the drab comment, "it's mellow groovy". Also, I have been hearing some interesting new things from Radiohead in their overseas concerts. "...a wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to" -G HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:14:45 EDT From: HulaCherry@aol.com Subject: Re: newgirl / Re: picture (again) Hello all, I haven't posted for quite some time and felt like my time was finally due. What has happened to the good ol' days when we used to just chat about the music and our love for Emm? Now, pictures, hate mail... all sorts of craziness. Don't get me wrong, I am pumped that Emm's list has soooo many new and wonderful people. . .but I just wish that all of these people wouldn't start such crazy convos. ATTENTION: If you are on this list, it better be because you love Emm's music and not because you want to throw around false rumors and pictures that are obviously NOT true at all. I guess that's all for all... Sidenote... lol, isn't Asianblue amazing?!?! AH! I can't stop listening to it. :) Take care. Abbie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:17:42 -0400 From: "Tom Giarratano" Subject: RE: Thank you Frank Gryner for being so thoughtful... I have your answer but must revise it...i'll see u tomorrow...be sure to tuck our pipsqueakin' baby sister in tight tonight...she has this bad habit of troll walking in her sleep and she ends up in the wrong picture frames...how emm is okay with this-? is something that as we toss about the word karma...if there is something even remotely that is the life equalizer that is Karma...the justice system that is Karma...Karma the enforcer... Then to be unexpectedly bludgeoend in one's bed or have one's plane resting on the bottem of the ocean floor with a single pair of salty lungs...all filled up with that (salty water)...better the lungs for the salt then the belly I supppose...am I right Frank-? Then may Karma come and take & (cardiac) arrest; those so inherently evil... while they sleep... Goodnight Frank Goodnight Tom Goodnight Tony Goodnight Our Darling Little Emmah-! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Im sick Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:14 AM To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: ton giarRATano-jenn tODD-heidi-fishHook girl-billy pilgrim-coventry: you have posted on the emmbassy or here as all these characters. my east coast medical student friends have other names for you - dissociative disorder, delusional disorder, borderline personality disorder. how many times have you checked yourself into a mental hospital? my east coast angel says more than once in the last year. better get some more help. egfan#1: you sound like that mad neighbor. are you one in the same? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:58:23 -0400 From: "Tom Giarratano" Subject: RE: you've been told to shut your trapp pixie! This is too funny...my poor Jamie...that's so mean...whoever that is Jamie...they might just be having a bad month...i'll look for your subsequent banter tommorow, Jamie...don"t let them run u off the list...i'm not quite sure why-?, with all the Flavours of the week on the list...how this someone/somehow got stuck in eg's#1fan's Craw(DADDY)... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of emmgrynerfan1 friend Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:45 PM To: headline-girl@smoe.org Cc: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: you've been told to shut your trapp pixie! Hi List! I have been laying low and just watching the stuff that has been happening recently here. It was cool to see that everyone is open-minded about ice cream flavours and the new music that Emm has made. Though the level of activity has been heated lately, i have been taking this all in, and the one thing that has come upon digestion of this list is why does Jamie keep opening up that trapp of hers?? Why did she tell us about her Emm Gryner discography? Umm Jamie, we all have similar collections of Emm's music, why else would we be here?? Im sure that the whole list owns those same CDs. My question is this though: Did you manage to buy them all at a show yesterday? You say you know Emm Gryner but has it been since last week? Out of all these 'wonderful' emails that have been circulating lately - - i felt compelled to write about Jamie's oh-so-insignificant posts regarding her profound revelation that she owns the same Emm Gryner collection that everyone else on the list does... Did it all of a sudden dawn on this Jamie-pixie that she has all the same CDs as us? Or did she win a free Emm Gryner boxset yesterday by means of finding Paul Jago in an alley in London? Jamie: do us a favour and keep that rusty trapp of yours shut! regards. egfan#1 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:33:37 -0400 From: "Tom Giarratano" Subject: Frank Gryner's Fictitious Medical Friends & His Supermarket Certified Diagnostic Bastardized Skills Geez Frank Gryner...\your sister has a bigger... ...Brain than u do Frank...but I find u much cuter...how's about a date Mr. Dish-!?...i'm sure u have a much bigger__________... Than emmah does...am I right Frankie-? Geez Frank Gryner... Thank goodness gracious MOI that these are mere students and NOT actual Doctors; which I suppose leaves the door open for possible futuristic & proper/acurate medical diagnosis...(in the bitter emm-end, anyway)-let's hope that whatever sinkhole of a university(s)these so called non-existent fictious friends of yours attend (u think u are so swift, so smugg and brainy, u are really a terd frank...in true frankie fecal matter: frankie fashion) u & your FAKE hollywood and Now faux medical community emmportant friends...these friends of yours??...(insert: in typical Grynerd Name dropping fashion here; your poor humble folks, kidds grew into Pumpkin headedness in size, arrogance & self-emmpotance)...let's hope that these universities fold up as quickly as the emmbassy did when it got too hot for emmah... lets hope these universities fold up like a cheap Pup-Tent... Otherwise it would be absolutely criminal to grant uneducated morons (like your friends)licences so that they can TROLL about (insert emmah here) Miss-diagnosing people and prescribing the wrong meds... Speaking of Institutionalization...since Kristy's (KR)=Kristy Radford's successful completion of yet **another** rehabb clinic...(insert 7 rehabbs here in the past 3 years; here...hooray for KR)-...yet another rehabb clinic...is there any chance that maybe u will forgive her for stealing from emm while previously emmployed and give her a job again...let's face it...Joni means well...but is Bob Clear-ly(Mountain) incapable of handling the running of a record label...she can't even pakk off the orders properly and when she does EVENTUALLY get one off in the mail...it's usually all screwed up minus the pakking slipp... And then refuses paying customers, any customer service... Goodnight et al... Frank; I have something very emmportant u need to know tomorrow... Pls make yourself available... It's a mere MORTAL(ity) matter...as long as u promise to NOT be fecal anymore... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Im sick Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:14 AM To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: ton giarRATano-jenn tODD-heidi-fishHook girl-billy pilgrim-coventry: you have posted on the emmbassy or here as all these characters. my east coast medical student friends have other names for you - dissociative disorder, delusional disorder, borderline personality disorder. how many times have you checked yourself into a mental hospital? my east coast angel says more than once in the last year. better get some more help. egfan#1: you sound like that mad neighbor. are you one in the same? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Im sick Subject: Re: Frank Gryner's Fictitious Medical Friends & His Supermarket Certified Diagnostic Bastardized Skills WRONG! i am not frank nor i am related to any of them. i am an emm-supporter.. unlike U == an emm-hater. i do have medical friends and they are probably right about your diagnosis. is thatt why u are so angry??? stop picking on frank, he has nothing to do with this. i have never met frank. sorry, frank. for the mistaken identity. tommy, get some help. does your family know you are so hateful? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:16:35 -0400 From: "Tom Giarratano" Subject: RE: Emm Archived and Then Some Obviously someone is rummaging through the files at the Wilted Daisy again...sifting through archived printed scrappbook fan mail/&-emmbassy posts; now that the emmbassy is DEFUNCT...oh I see Franklin Limestone...more Emm Honcho Rules being enforced...as nicknames are suddenly disallowed...as emm is threatened by artsitc posting and snobbbishly refuses to answer posts about "Cover Art Symbolism" & "The Making of a Rarity"-(these posts get Joni-yanked/down off the board...much preferring and insistent as Emm does that her emmbassy be a fans public email account where only underaged sisies can post..stroking emm's BIG-ego, making emm-arrangements for sneaking in underaged un-nuetered sissies...yes, I emmpathize and sympathize with Myself-(why, I can't imagine the world without me, I love You My Sonya)-...my well knowing (all too well, painfully aware, here) what it was like being born way too early to be an emm gryNERDetty fan... So, Let Davis Bowis Post Emm Up, but good...and let him buy her T/shirts...let Emm take ALL the Davis support she can Bowis HANDLE...for those ignorant naysayers who are talking about photo shopp skillz and the likes...i was forwarded the URL where there are many emm galleries (& they are convincing, if not damning; with many emm props that all the photo shopp skillz in the biosphere couldn't manufacter) as emm is a naughty little NYMPHONIC-(emm's next single)-and she does quite a bit more than just "handle" that elder member...anybody that is on the fence about authenticity will certainly & undoubtedly see that these are the real McCoy...this is the REAL emmgryner (how well do u know emmgryner??) nobody could possibly be so talented , creative or artistic as to have created such sexual deviance & decadence..."emm plays with the whole band" these are photos Frankie...Not paintings..i have the URL and it's a paying site...but If u have your girley badge and are part of this list I will forward you a free/lifetime membership as I know u are all starved for emmah pics, emm downloaded videos and Updated galleries... Hey, I'm not the one lying on my back with that thing in my hand.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tom Giarratano Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:18 AM To: 'Im sick' Cc: headline-girl@smoe.org Subject: RE: Thank you Frank Gryner for being so thoughtful... I have your answer but must revise it...i'll see u tomorrow...be sure to tuck our pipsqueakin' baby sister in tight tonight...she has this bad habit of troll walking in her sleep and she ends up in the wrong picture frames...how emm is okay with this-? is something that as we toss about the word karma...if there is something even remotely that is the life equalizer that is Karma...the justice system that is Karma...Karma the enforcer... Then to be unexpectedly bludgeoend in one's bed or have one's plane resting on the bottem of the ocean floor with a single pair of salty lungs...all filled up with that (salty water)...better the lungs for the salt then the belly I supppose...am I right Frank-? Then may Karma come and take & (cardiac) arrest; those so inherently evil... while they sleep... Goodnight Frank Goodnight Tom Goodnight Tony Goodnight Our Darling Little Emmah-! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Im sick Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:14 AM To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: ton giarRATano-jenn tODD-heidi-fishHook girl-billy pilgrim-coventry: you have posted on the emmbassy or here as all these characters. my east coast medical student friends have other names for you - dissociative disorder, delusional disorder, borderline personality disorder. how many times have you checked yourself into a mental hospital? my east coast angel says more than once in the last year. better get some more help. egfan#1: you sound like that mad neighbor. are you one in the same? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:09:15 -0400 From: Joni Daniels Subject: positive energy, etc I love you guys ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:52:46 +0000 From: "emmgrynerfan1 friend" Subject: Re: Chart yay! hooray for the Sissies! >From: "ashley payne" >To: "Rob Tittel" , , > >Subject: Re: Chart >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:42:35 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) > >Yay for emm! climb higher and higher...=0D >=0D >Ashley:)=0D >=0D >-------Original Message-------=0D >=0D >From: Rob Tittel=0D >Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:53:37 AM=0D >To: Gretchen Corl; Headline Girl=0D >Subject: Re: Chart=0D >=0D >That's AWESOME about Emm's CD hitting #20 on the Canadian College Charts.= >=2E.=0D >Great job to Emm, Public Awareness, Joni, and everyone else involved with= >=0D >Emm for getting her music out there and showing that you don't HAVE to se= >ll=0D >your soul to a major label to get your music out there.=0D >=0D >And THANK YOU to Gretchen, Trish, Nat, Dave Chan, Sarah Butler and everyo= >ne=0D >else who has sent emails over the last day trying to start conversations = >to=0D >get us past all this stupid crap that this Tom guy and Jenn chick started= >=2E..=0D >People, don't even dignify it by even talking about it anymore. Let this = >be=0D >the last we all ever speak of it. We all know its not real, don't even gi= >ve=0D >these idiots more fuel for their fire by even talking about it. It's too=0D >bad Julian (List Administrator) couldn't just get them removed from the=0D >list.=0D >=0D >In case anyone cares, I agree with Sarah about Phish Food being a favorit= >e=0D >Ice Cream... a much simpler no frills Ice Cream is Breyers Natural Vanill= >a=0D >(with real Vanilla bean flakes, mmm tasty). I own a cell phone too, rarel= >y=0D >if ever using my home phone since my cell phone has nationwide free long=0D >distance and no roaming. I live in Ohio, am dating another hardcore Emm=0D >fan (who is still waiting for HER copy of Asianblue), own every CD Emm ha= >s=0D >ever released, have seen her live six or seven times now, including my ow= >n=0D >"living room concert" here in Ohio and have met many people on this list = >in=0D >person (hi to Trish, Attila, Rannie, Chelle, Laura, James, Tab, Julian,=0D >Roberto, Dana, Gretchen, and Nicky, and anyone else who I have met but ma= >y=0D >have forgot); I briefly met Emm's bro Tony, and her parents in either Lon= >don=0D >or Sarnia, I don't remember -- they all seem like VERY nice people; Acid = >is=0D >the song that got it all started for me (on the Lilith Fair '98 sampler=0D >disc), but I love just about every song she has ever done, and Asianblue = >has=0D >been in my CD player for almost a month straight. I also have an internet= >=0D >radio station an am currently spinning a few older Emm tracks and "Free"=0D >and "East Coast Angel", and "Beautiful Things" in my rotation.... (check = >the=0D >link below in my email signature) I do believe in Karma but also the powe= >r=0D >of prayer and positive thought (thanks to all the beautiful people on thi= >s=0D >list who continue to send emails of support for my friend KP who has stag= >e 4=0D >colon cancer -- she is fighting it admirably); lastly, I DO have my tix t= >o=0D >the Point in September, as well as to the Sleanster's show the night=0D >before -- what a weekend of music that is going to be!=0D >=0D >Rock on, Headliners.... see some of you in September at the Point?????=0D >Rob=0D >=0D >=0D >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0D >Rob Tittel=0D >DreamsAwake Music=0D >=0D >Music and Concert Reviews, News=0D >Tour Dates, Booking, Publicity,=0D >NetRadio, and more...=0D >=0D >www.dreamsawake.com=0D >=0D >Click here to Listen to Jericho Two, indie-rock, folk, and 90's alternati= >ve=0D >internet radio=0D >www.live365.com/stations/193197=0D >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0D >=0D >----- Original Message -----=0D >From: "Gretchen Corl" =0D >To: =0D >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:26 AM=0D >Subject: EC: Chart=0D >=0D >=0D > > Did anyone happen to notice that Asianblue was #20 on the Canadian=0D > > college charts last week? Thought it might be nice to offer some=0D > > accurate information to the group.=0D > >=0D > > gretchen=0D > >=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= >-=0D > >=0D > > Join the world=12s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click >Here=0D >=2E > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif] > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type Image/gif] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:23:39 -0400 From: "Tom Giarratano" Subject: RE: positive energy, etc I Love You Too Joni and only slightly less than I Love **My** EmmaH...so much love to go around and Only One heart to love from...what's a girl to do-?...i DON"t hate emmgryner...nor have I ever...nor will I ever... emmgryner was my favourite sorta Human Being for almost a decade...i am merely a response to her abuse, hatred, prejudice and exclusion of me as her fan......as I am still being punished 2+ years later by emm for having offered her support...Don't u think it's HIGH time to relent?, play a Dead Relatives song or dieux...and stop continually abusing and bashing (moi)...don"t u think a lifetime of being persecuted is a bit too harsh as a (lifetime) punishment for there having been a grave MISS-understanding over support... Emm Gryner's entire career has been built on fan participation and contributions (that which isn't DOLE brand)...had I known that I was to be abused for having been supportive of her...i would have Never bothered... looking back it was the mistake of a lifetime, as emm has done everything in power to treat me with a cruelty that is nothing short of unusually cruel-(see "sense and nonsense" here, thougn KNOW listens are available anywhere)...(EG has gone far out of her way, above and beyond the call of duty & that which is HUMANE society, so as to prevent me from enjoying her music & career: how spiteful, rotten & hateful of You EG; shame on you and shame on the hollowbodies that Third Reich & echo your hatred, in their obedient allegiance like ASPCA Pets, emmulating...oscillating...-(insert Dana & Lauren;=Miss Lady Captain Hook)-...you took this from me (EG) and u derive a pleasure in intentionally hurting people with geat INTENTION and purpose; yours is a hatred that is inherently rooted in evil...Bin Laden's got not a stitch of evil on You)...as I am sure inRETROspect that emmgryner wishes she'd played those DR's songs and would retract in reflective choosing (givin the chance to relive those defining moments)...in a Living Room or-/& at a CB's underground folly of abuse, those god-awful things she abused me with while all-whiskied up showing off in front of her dykehuis community of pixie worshipping wannabees...and then maybe Not...with The release of GERMANBlue et al...we are talking about an extremely obstinate, stubborn Little Princess here...our Little Miss ...HitlerMiss - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joni Daniels Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:09 PM To: headline-girl@smoe.org Subject: positive energy, etc I love you guys ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:54:31 -0400 From: "Tom Giarratano" Subject: RE: positive energy, etc Joni would like to thank everyone for sending her amd emm emails at the Wited Disy in support of Emm's Indie Crusade that express just what a KREEP that guy tom is...u a heartless gal joni jonials...thank you...thank you very much... Keep those those tom abuse emails rolling in...like the playing of a song on that "shite on the radio" single (see Miss Furtado)...emm gets paid each & every time u bash tom...so keep th-"emm" rolling in...like moviemaker need not wonder why...fates sealed on films for radio... Love from the wilted daisy Most of your pre-ordered AsianBlues are in The Mail... S.Y.A.T.S - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joni Daniels Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:09 PM To: headline-girl@smoe.org Subject: positive energy, etc I love you guys ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 2002 10:16:28 -0400 From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. Hello folks, As many of you know, I am the listowner for the Headline Girl list. Some of you may be wondering why I have been remaining silent during this period of high traffic, much of it inflammatory. I have been waiting to see if it will simply die down of its own accord. I have not yet come to a conclusion about whether or not that is happening (and in fact, I am fully aware that my posting this notice may become a self-fulfilling prophecy as to what is going to happen). As Roberto pointed out, the best way to stop people who are solely out to get attention is to ignore them, and they will go away. This applies to any forum. Please remember that this, primarily, is a forum to discuss Emm's MUSIC and her career, and not her personal life. It is a forum to comment on and criticize, perhaps, the foregoing, but not a forum for gratuitious insults of Emm, her personal life, or for character attacks on other listmembers. For this reason I have unsubscribed "emmgrynerfan1@hotmail.com" from the list. As far as I can tell, this individual is another listmember in disguise, who created this account and subscribed to headline-girl for the sole purpose of flaming Jamie. There is no call for that kind of behaviour, much less anonymously. To make a long story short, I would like to make it clear that I am not powerless in all this; I do have the ability to make this a moderated-only list, where all postings must be approved by me before they are sent out to everyone. I would rather not have to do that, for obvious reasons: it's a lot of work for me, and I really hope the intelligence of the average Emm fan is higher than the level requiring personal attention and censorship. However, if people persist in posting inflammatory material, AND people persist in responding to it, I will have no choice but to do that, at least for the short term. Your cooperation is appreciated. - - Julian (owner-headline-girl@smoe.org) - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "you can't see the future when ] [ it's all disguised as the past" - nerissa nields ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:52:49 -0400 From: "Tom Giarratano" Subject: RE: ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. Dear Julian... I don't think it's fair that u removed me from the Sarah List because James McGarry feels upstaged (having seen sarah over eighty some odd times and having appointed himself her personal translater-/& personality channeler) he shouldn"t get a bugg up his Butt because I know the origins of Eliot and he didn"t...i have been on this list for a long time and I am every bit the Sarah fan that any other member is...as evidenced by my Sarah Knowledge... I have also been very supportive of Miss Slean and am seeing her again in Sept and will buy out her retail items to show her support...i have noticed that the Slean List appears to have an older air of arrogance and "reservation=being reserved about It"...where emm's list caters to the Kids...however I have NEVER done anything to any member so as to be removed...as far as the emmgryner situation goes...her list is more for the kiddies, as stated...but if someone doesn"t want cross posting they should unsubscribe themselves from the list they choose to not receive or send mail to & from... I am as big an emm fan as there has ever been...i don't think any fair person would ever confuse my being a fan of her music with anything else resembling emm-propriety...i treated her as good and decently as someone could treat another & I am simply replying to the list out of a deep deep hurt that is beckoning for emm-understanding, closure and for some way as to amicably resume being her fan (minus the support part)...where I would be allowed to enjoy her glorious muse/music like I once did...i in no way am attempting to be cruel or unkind to anyone...it is not in my heart to be cruel...i just saw emm on Aug 10th and emm knows me from the beginning of her career...people like roberto and the others (though bawless) know better than to label me a psycho or use the word stalker... - -{i reply from only my own (email accounts)}... - -Roberto etc.=-it's the easy way out because they too can be snooty wanting there little asian thing of exclusivity going on...pls don't punish me or exclude me from the lists...these are my two very favourite artists..and I too will untraffic my postings and keep it toned down... Could u pls re-subscribe me to the Sarah list...i am still signed up on my former-? AOL stardeepeg acct on the sarah list; the eg being my emmah gryner girley dolle-!! and have since moved and am cancelling my AOL...i want to be on the lists at my current email address... Check the phone number on the acct. I was Not egfan#1 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-headline-girl@smoe.org [mailto:owner-headline-girl@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Julian C. Dunn Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:16 AM To: headline-girl@smoe.org Subject: ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. Hello folks, As many of you know, I am the listowner for the Headline Girl list. Some of you may be wondering why I have been remaining silent during this period of high traffic, much of it inflammatory. I have been waiting to see if it will simply die down of its own accord. I have not yet come to a conclusion about whether or not that is happening (and in fact, I am fully aware that my posting this notice may become a self-fulfilling prophecy as to what is going to happen). As Roberto pointed out, the best way to stop people who are solely out to get attention is to ignore them, and they will go away. This applies to any forum. Please remember that this, primarily, is a forum to discuss Emm's MUSIC and her career, and not her personal life. It is a forum to comment on and criticize, perhaps, the foregoing, but not a forum for gratuitious insults of Emm, her personal life, or for character attacks on other listmembers. For this reason I have unsubscribed "emmgrynerfan1@hotmail.com" from the list. As far as I can tell, this individual is another listmember in disguise, who created this account and subscribed to headline-girl for the sole purpose of flaming Jamie. There is no call for that kind of behaviour, much less anonymously. To make a long story short, I would like to make it clear that I am not powerless in all this; I do have the ability to make this a moderated-only list, where all postings must be approved by me before they are sent out to everyone. I would rather not have to do that, for obvious reasons: it's a lot of work for me, and I really hope the intelligence of the average Emm fan is higher than the level requiring personal attention and censorship. However, if people persist in posting inflammatory material, AND people persist in responding to it, I will have no choice but to do that, at least for the short term. Your cooperation is appreciated. - - Julian (owner-headline-girl@smoe.org) - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "you can't see the future when ] [ it's all disguised as the past" - nerissa nields ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:53:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: RE: ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Tom Giarratano wrote: > I don't think it's fair that u removed me from the Sarah List because Tom, Just to be clear - I didn't remove anyone from the Sarah list. The only account I have unsubscribed thus far is the emmgrynerfan1@hotmail.com, and that was from this list, for reasons I previously described. > removed...as far as the emmgryner situation goes...her list is more for > the kiddies, as stated...but if someone doesn"t want cross posting they > should unsubscribe themselves from the list they choose to not receive > or send mail to & from... Untrue. The idea is that we keep our content about Emm to the Emm list, and Sarah to the Sarah list. There's no need for anyone to unnecessarily CC responses to an e-mail from one list to the other, particularly when context is missing. > way as to amicably resume being her fan (minus the support part)...where > I would be allowed to enjoy her glorious muse/music like I once did...i Tom, I don't think anyone is preventing you in any way from listening to or enjoying Emm's music. After all, you are welcome to listen to her CDs or attend her concerts. Nobody has said to you that you cannot be her fan, after all. regards, Julian - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "you can't see the future when ] [ it's all disguised as the past" - nerissa nields ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:10:44 -0400 From: "Jamie Severinski" Subject: Re: ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. hey all i'd like to thank julian for being the good soul he is.great guy. anyway does anyone here like oasis? i'm going to their show tonight. jamie "High fives to a better judgement By saying less today I will gain more Low twos to you my fickle friend Who brought the art of silent war" b.b.>From: "Julian C. Dunn" >To: headline-girl@smoe.org >Subject: ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. >Date: 21 Aug 2002 10:16:28 -0400 > >Hello folks, > >As many of you know, I am the listowner for the Headline Girl list. Some >of you may be wondering why I have been remaining silent during this >period of high traffic, much of it inflammatory. I have been waiting to >see if it will simply die down of its own accord. I have not yet come to >a conclusion about whether or not that is happening (and in fact, I am >fully aware that my posting this notice may become a self-fulfilling >prophecy as to what is going to happen). As Roberto pointed out, the >best way to stop people who are solely out to get attention is to ignore >them, and they will go away. This applies to any forum. > >Please remember that this, primarily, is a forum to discuss Emm's MUSIC >and her career, and not her personal life. It is a forum to comment on >and criticize, perhaps, the foregoing, but not a forum for gratuitious >insults of Emm, her personal life, or for character attacks on other >listmembers. For this reason I have unsubscribed >"emmgrynerfan1@hotmail.com" from the list. As far as I can tell, this >individual is another listmember in disguise, who created this account >and subscribed to headline-girl for the sole purpose of flaming Jamie. >There is no call for that kind of behaviour, much less anonymously. > >To make a long story short, I would like to make it clear that I am not >powerless in all this; I do have the ability to make this a >moderated-only list, where all postings must be approved by me before >they are sent out to everyone. I would rather not have to do that, for >obvious reasons: it's a lot of work for me, and I really hope the >intelligence of the average Emm fan is higher than the level requiring >personal attention and censorship. However, if people persist in posting >inflammatory material, AND people persist in responding to it, I will >have no choice but to do that, at least for the short term. > >Your cooperation is appreciated. > >- Julian (owner-headline-girl@smoe.org) > >-- >[ Julian C. Dunn * ] >[ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] >[ "you can't see the future when ] >[ it's all disguised as the past" - nerissa nields ] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:10:33 EDT From: Plmrrik@aol.com Subject: Re: ADMIN: Recent traffic on this list. Thank you Julian I am hoping order will restore itself -----Rick----- ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V5 #174 ***********************************