From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V4 #256 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Saturday, November 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard ["James McGarry" ] Alana Davis [Jason Schneider ] Re: Alana Davis ["Gretchen Corl" ] Re: Alana Davis ["Laura A. Robeson" ] RE: Alana Davis [Jason Schneider ] Re: Alana Davis [Songbird22@aol.com] RE: Alana Davis ["Laura A. Robeson" ] RE: Alana Davis [Jason Schneider ] RE: Alana Davis [rturingan@dico.com] MP3's and ani... [rturingan@dico.com] RE: Alana Davis ["Laura A. Robeson" ] RE: Alana Davis [Songbird22@aol.com] RE: Alana Davis [rturingan@dico.com] RE: Alana Davis [Jason Schneider ] Heather Nova [Jason Schneider ] RE: Alana Davis [Jason Schneider ] Re: Heather Nova/ Seb's Specialty... [JewelEDA21@aol.com] RE: Heather Nova/ Seb's Specialty... [Jason Schneider ] web design suggestions and ideas [fumbler@juno.com] it's official: the el mo takes over ted's ["Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tab Siddiqui" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:40 AM > Yep, it's true, kids. (Toronto's) Ted's Wrecking Yard, a second home to > many of us crazy music obsessives, is apparently finito. This on the heels > of next week's shutdown of the legendary El Mocambo. Not a great time for > live music venues in the city, that's for sure. Also combine this with BigMoney (like House of Blues, et al) buying up medium-sized venues like the Kool Haus (nie (in TO) and the Commodore Ballroom in Van, its not a great time for indie music venues period. James (back from the Left Coast). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:31:30 -0500 From: Jason Schneider Subject: Alana Davis New topic, just curious if any ani d fans in here know of a song called 32 flavours? i got the debut cd of Alana Davis (a few years old i know) and there is a song on it written by ani. just wondered if she did a cover of it or if it was written specifically for her. i've heard of this before with prince writing for martika, madonna, and celine dion. jay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:39:06 -0500 From: "Gretchen Corl" Subject: Re: Alana Davis Alana is purely covering the song....a great live version of Ani singing the tune can be found on Living In Clip....a double-live disc I HIGHLY recommend owning....even if you don't have any intentions of buying more of Ani's albums. gretchen >From: Jason Schneider >To: "headline-girl@smoe.org (E-mail)" >Subject: Alana Davis >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:31:30 -0500 > >New topic, > >just curious if any ani d fans in here know of a song called 32 flavours? i >got the debut cd of Alana Davis (a few years old i know) and there is a song >on it written by ani. just wondered if she did a cover of it or if it was >written specifically for her. i've heard of this before with prince writing >for martika, madonna, and celine dion. > >jay - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:58:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Laura A. Robeson" Subject: Re: Alana Davis Indeed, I definitely second that. Living in Clip is still one of my favorites, even after buying most of her albums (if you don't know much about Ani, she has lots of albums of varying styles)... I won't get started on the whole Alana Davis/32 Flavors thing because it kinda made me mad that she got recognized using Ani's song. But that's a long topic that I won't get started on. :-) ~laura ===== ******** Hardcore Superstar by Far: http://www.laurarobeson.com music.art.photography.randomness. ******** Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:01:43 -0500 From: Jason Schneider Subject: RE: Alana Davis think of it this way, if i didn't get alana's cd then i wouldn't have started thinking about ani...hmmm? same as emm got lots of us into death cab and nick cave after her coverings. :-) jay > ---------- > From: Laura A. Robeson > Reply To: robeson.5@osu.edu > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2001 2:58 PM > To: headline-girl@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alana Davis > > Indeed, I definitely second that. Living in Clip is still one of my > favorites, even after buying most of her albums (if you don't know much > about Ani, she has lots of albums of varying styles)... I won't get > started on the whole Alana Davis/32 Flavors thing because it kinda made me > mad that she got recognized using Ani's song. But that's a long topic that > I won't get started on. :-) > > > ~laura > > > ===== > ******** > Hardcore Superstar by Far: > http://www.laurarobeson.com > > music.art.photography.randomness. > ******** > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:02:09 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: Alana Davis Gretchen writes: "Alana is purely covering the song....a great live version of Ani singing the tune can be found on Living In Clip....a double-live disc I HIGHLY recommend owning....even if you don't have any intentions of buying more of Ani's albums." AND Ani apparently did not like Alana's version of the song at all... I read something about it in an interview with her once... Alana has a new album called Fortune Cookies (Electra) which is her first in 5 years... Ani is incredible, and all of her albums rock. Living in Clip is excellent and captures her live pretty well (the stories, her stage presence, etc.) jw www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Laura A. Robeson" Subject: RE: Alana Davis Okay, I do agree with you on that one. I've definitely discovered lots of new artists just by being on this list alone. So I'm certainly not denying that. And I love cover songs, it's not that. I just didn't agree with Alana choosing someone else's song as her first released single. Know what I mean? At least I thought that was her debut single, it certainly gave the appearance of being the first. If she had it later on and acknowledged Ani a little more, I don't think I would've minded as much. Perhaps I'm not making any sense at all. ~laura ===== ******** Hardcore Superstar by Far: http://www.laurarobeson.com music.art.photography.randomness. ******** Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:14:27 -0500 From: Jason Schneider Subject: RE: Alana Davis i agree with you there. remember that group that sang teenage dirtbag? wheatus? they released a second single from that cd , a cover of erasure's respect. but they gave credit where credit was due. jay > ---------- > From: Laura A. Robeson > Reply To: robeson.5@osu.edu > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2001 3:11 PM > To: Jason Schneider; headline-girl@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Alana Davis > > > Okay, I do agree with you on that one. I've definitely discovered lots of > new artists just by being on this list alone. So I'm certainly not denying > that. And I love cover songs, it's not that. I just didn't agree with > Alana choosing someone else's song as her first released single. Know what > I mean? At least I thought that was her debut single, it certainly gave > the appearance of being the first. If she had it later on and acknowledged > Ani a little more, I don't think I would've minded as much. > Perhaps I'm not making any sense at all. > > > ~laura > > > > > ===== > ******** > Hardcore Superstar by Far: > http://www.laurarobeson.com > > music.art.photography.randomness. > ******** > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:15:46 -0500 From: rturingan@dico.com Subject: RE: Alana Davis How do you feel about Alien Ant Farm and their cover of Michael Jackson's Smooth Criminal? Secondly... do you think it was Alana's choice to have that released as the single... or was it the record company's choice... Those are my two points to consider... cheers Rannie "Laura A. Robeson" on Friday, November 2, 2001 3:11 pm Please respond to robeson.5@osu.edu To: Jason Schneider , headline-girl@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Rannie Turingan/DICO) Subject: RE: Alana Davis Okay, I do agree with you on that one. I've definitely discovered lots of new artists just by being on this list alone. So I'm certainly not denying that. And I love cover songs, it's not that. I just didn't agree with Alana choosing someone else's song as her first released single. Know what I mean? At least I thought that was her debut single, it certainly gave the appearance of being the first. If she had it later on and acknowledged Ani a little more, I don't think I would've minded as much. Perhaps I'm not making any sense at all. ~laura ===== ******** Hardcore Superstar by Far: http://www.laurarobeson.com music.art.photography.randomness. ******** Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:19:41 -0500 From: rturingan@dico.com Subject: MP3's and ani... you can find some ani stuff here.... http://mgoyer.dyndns.org/mp3s/andromeda.php but do buy the cds if you can.... Cheers Rannie http://www.rannieturingan.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:29:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Laura A. Robeson" Subject: RE: Alana Davis Good points Rannie. I never thought about the Alien Ant Farm cover. I think with that though, everyone knows Smooth Criminal anyway, it's not like we all thought it was a brand new original song. About the decision to release the single.. if it was the record company's choice or not, in my opinion it still wasn't right. So for me, either way the blame is still there, it just gets shifted accordingly. ~laura ===== ******** Hardcore Superstar by Far: http://www.laurarobeson.com music.art.photography.randomness. ******** Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:32:23 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: RE: Alana Davis "At least I thought that was her debut single, it certainly gave the appearance of being the first. If she had it later on and acknowledged Ani a little more, I don't think I would've minded as much. Perhaps I'm not making any sense at all." You're making sense ;) And I see where you're coming from. Actually I remember hearing it on the radio several times when it was released a few years ago and always heard "here's the new single by Alana Davis" or "a great new song by Alana Davis" but no mention of Ani. And that used to piss me off... But I also see Rannie's point--the record company might have chosen the song because it was the strongest contender for radio play, and Alana might not have had any choice. Who knows. Alana had another single ("Crazy" I think?) later on which I think would've been a better choice as her first single... pretty catchy and I think she might have co-written it (not 100% sure)... but, whatever :D Jess www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:31:35 -0500 From: rturingan@dico.com Subject: RE: Alana Davis The other way to think of it is that having one of your songs COVERED is a form of flattery.... I am sure that Ani made money from Alana covering her song... "Laura A. Robeson" on Friday, November 2, 2001 3:29 pm Please respond to robeson.5@osu.edu To: headline-girl@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Rannie Turingan/DICO) Subject: RE: Alana Davis Good points Rannie. I never thought about the Alien Ant Farm cover. I think with that though, everyone knows Smooth Criminal anyway, it's not like we all thought it was a brand new original song. About the decision to release the single.. if it was the record company's choice or not, in my opinion it still wasn't right. So for me, either way the blame is still there, it just gets shifted accordingly. ~laura ===== ******** Hardcore Superstar by Far: http://www.laurarobeson.com music.art.photography.randomness. ******** Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:37:11 -0500 From: Jason Schneider Subject: RE: Alana Davis she did co-write crazy which is the song i remember on the radio that let me to finally get the disc last night. i didn't know anything about 32 flavours until i read the liner notes, which is the first thing i do when listening to any disc the first time. hehe. it helps me understand where the singer is coming from or not coming from if they didn't have much to do with the creation of the actual song. thanks to your info on her new disc i looked into it and she is still co-writing on this release that is actually out already. jay > ---------- > From: Songbird22@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2001 3:32 PM > To: headline-girl@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Alana Davis > > "At least I thought that was her debut single, it certainly gave the > appearance of being the first. If she had it later on and acknowledged > Ani a little more, I don't think I would've minded as much. Perhaps I'm > not making any sense at all." > > You're making sense ;) > > And I see where you're coming from. Actually I remember hearing it on the > radio several times when it was released a few years ago and always heard > "here's the new single by Alana Davis" or "a great new song by Alana > Davis" but no mention of Ani. And that used to piss me off... But I also > see Rannie's point--the record company might have chosen the song because > it was the strongest contender for radio play, and Alana might not have > had any choice. Who knows. Alana had another single ("Crazy" I think?) > later on which I think would've been a better choice as her first > single... pretty catchy and I think she might have co-written it (not 100% > sure)... but, whatever :D > > Jess > > www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:43:42 -0500 From: Jason Schneider Subject: Heather Nova i was also, accidentally speaking privately to gretchen, about heather and how she's sort of being elusive as of late. she has a new disc that isn't released in NA yet but she's touring it extensively in europe. i thought her last disc was great and i also picked up her previous one last night. i'm turning into a girl singer groupie. i will definitely try out ani. never thought her stuff was for me but i've been turned onto so many artists by hearing the covers of their songs. even from just hearing rannie play them over and over again like indigo girls. i like them now when he plays them. even have recently acquired lilith fair compilation disc 3 with them on it and so many other artists that i never really got into and i'm finding them somewhat interesting. so wish i was around for lilith myself, but it's never too late to start. thnx for all the great input, good or bad. jay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:45:22 -0500 From: Jason Schneider Subject: RE: Alana Davis chaka kahn also used i feel for you (prince) for her big first single (only single?) jay > ---------- > From: rturingan@dico.com > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2001 3:31 PM > To: robeson.5@osu.edu > Cc: headline-girl@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Alana Davis > > The other way to think of it is that having one of your songs COVERED is a > form > of flattery.... > > I am sure that Ani made money from Alana covering her song... > > > > > > > "Laura A. Robeson" on Friday, November 2, 2001 > 3:29 pm > > Please respond to robeson.5@osu.edu > > To: headline-girl@smoe.org > cc: (bcc: Rannie Turingan/DICO) > Subject: RE: Alana Davis > > > > Good points Rannie. I never thought about the Alien Ant Farm cover. I > think with that though, everyone knows Smooth Criminal anyway, it's not > like we all thought it was a brand new original song. > > About the decision to release the single.. if it was the record company's > choice or not, in my opinion it still wasn't right. So for me, either way > the blame is still there, it just gets shifted accordingly. > > > ~laura > > > > ===== > ******** > Hardcore Superstar by Far: > http://www.laurarobeson.com > > music.art.photography.randomness. > ******** > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:49:59 EST From: JewelEDA21@aol.com Subject: Re: Heather Nova/ Seb's Specialty... Hey there here's where I come in :) yeah shes coming to the States very soon. The new disc is SOUTH, the first single is IM NO ANGEL and the video is great! They just shot the video for the next single, VIRUS OF THE MIND. the single should be out soon also! Heather's doing a poetry book too, with some art in it! Can't wait! peace, seb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:52:39 -0500 From: Jason Schneider Subject: RE: Heather Nova/ Seb's Specialty... thnx seb, i can't wait to get the new disc. she rocks my world. jay > ---------- > From: JewelEDA21@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2001 3:49 PM > To: JSchneider@rmpublishing.com; robeson.5@osu.edu; rturingan@dico.com > Cc: headline-girl@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Heather Nova/ Seb's Specialty... > > Hey there > > here's where I come in :) > yeah shes coming to the States very soon. The new disc is SOUTH, the first > > single is IM NO ANGEL and the video is great! They just shot the video for > > the next single, VIRUS OF THE MIND. the single should be out soon also! > > Heather's doing a poetry book too, with some art in it! > Can't wait! > > peace, > seb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:40:20 EST From: KNicky3116@aol.com Subject: OAC: Cameron Dezen Kendall Residency Hey guys, Many of you have already heard about Cameron Dezen. If you haven't, you can check her out at www.camerondezen.com and she also is up on cdbaby.com with sound clips. She's playing in Cambridge, MA at the Kendall Cafe every Monday in November (5, 12, 19, 26) with awesome openers each week. The shows are only $5, and it's 21+ to get in. Half of Cameron's proceeds for this Monday's show will go to the September 11th Fund. details: Mondays in November Cameron Dezen Kendall Cafe 233 Cardinal Medeiros Ave Cambridge, MA $5, 21+, 8pm special guests: 5th: Stephen Kellogg and Division St. 12th: Holly Miranda 19th: Jim Boggia 26th: Kristin Cifelli and Alex Dezen Cameron also just re-released her CD with new artwork and bonus tracks, plus a new remix version of Undermind. Catch one (or all) of these shows if you can. Cameron will also be on WERS 88.9FM Monday morning at 8:30am for a live performance and interview. If you're not in Boston, you can still tune in at www.wers.org. Feel free to let me know what you think of Cameron's music. Nicky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Subject: RE: Alana Davis I don't know if this happened anywhere else in the country, but here in Michigan, when Alana's version of 32 Flavors hit the radio, a few stations started playing Ani's version as well....a couple ventured further, and songs like Shameless and Little PLastic Castle got airplay too. Just thought that was kind of cool.... ~Beth~ On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 Songbird22@aol.com wrote: > "At least I thought that was her debut single, it certainly gave the appearance of being the first. If she had it later on and acknowledged > Ani a little more, I don't think I would've minded as much. Perhaps I'm not making any sense at all." > > You're making sense ;) > > And I see where you're coming from. Actually I remember hearing it on the radio several times when it was released a few years ago and always heard "here's the new single by Alana Davis" or "a great new song by Alana Davis" but no mention of Ani. And that used to piss me off... But I also see Rannie's point--the record company might have chosen the song because it was the strongest contender for radio play, and Alana might not have had any choice. Who knows. Alana had another single ("Crazy" I think?) later on which I think would've been a better choice as her first single... pretty catchy and I think she might have co-written it (not 100% sure)... but, whatever :D > > Jess > > www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:37:57 -0800 From: fumbler@juno.com Subject: web design suggestions and ideas I just recently finished redoing my photo gallery section and nit picking the rest of our web site. If any of you have a chance could you check out the site and give me any idea or suggestions on how to make it look better or more professional? it's www.dreamsawake.com it's got a few photos of Emm, John Mayer, and some there great artists. ~Attila dreams awake music www.dreamsawake.com music news, reviews, booking, street team promotions & net radio Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake. -- Henry David Thoreau ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 23:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: it's official: the el mo takes over ted's http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2001-11-01/music_feature3.html I'm beside myself with anger. But I guess this is the way the entertainment industry does its dirty work here in Toronto; it's a dog-eat-dog world. And ultimately the patrons suffer. Coupled with the bankruptcy of the venerable Sam The Record Man, it's not been a good week for Toronto music. - - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "and out of your mouth comes a stream of cliches/ but i have given you ] [ so much rope you should have been hanging for days" -- aimee mann ] ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V4 #256 ***********************************