From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V4 #254 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Tuesday, October 30 2001 Volume 04 : Number 254 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Ted's Wrecking Yard?! ["Julian C. Dunn" ] NEC: happy birthday... ["mark'eee" ] RE: Ted's Wrecking Yard?! [Steve I ] NEC: happy birthday ["Elizabeth Weber" ] R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard ["Tab Siddiqui" ] Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard [Starfall18@aol.com] Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard ["secret agent kr" ] Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard ["Julian C. Dunn" ] Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard ["Elizabeth Weber" Subject: RE: Ted's Wrecking Yard?! On 29-Oct-2001 Elizabeth Weber wrote: > So I'm not from Canada and I've never even been to Toronto, but this still > kind of bummed me out. Maybe because so many musicians I listen to have > played there... > > http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2001/10/2608.cfm > > So it is really closing/closed?! wtf? Hmfph. It's the first I've heard of it, but if it's true, that would really suck. Coupled with the closing of the ElMo* it would be a real blow to our local music scene, as far as good venues to play go. Hopefully we'll hear something more in the days to come about its fate. - - Julian * although that venue has never been a favourite of mine, it was quite a breeding ground for artists that are, er, more hard-rocking than ones I like to listen to. [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "and out of your mouth comes a stream of cliches/ but i have given you ] [ so much rope you should have been hanging for days" -- aimee mann ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:56:17 -0800 (PST) From: "mark'eee" Subject: NEC: happy birthday... Happy Birthday to Dana! (and please wish your sister a happy birthday for me...) mu - -- Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 1004388700451.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:31:33 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: RE: Ted's Wrecking Yard?! I was sad to hear about the El Mo but only because of the history of the place; they rarely have bands I want to see anymore. Ted's, on the other hand, quickly became my favourite small venue when Yvonne Matsell started booking it. I've heard a rumour that Ted's closed because the El Mo is moving there. If that's true, that would really suck, because Ted's booked much better acts than the El Mo did. I hope Matsell finds another good room to book, quickly. Man, I am *so* glad now that it was the Horseshoe that bought Lee's Palace and not Pizza Pizza or the Gap or something like that (or El Mo, for that matter). It's bad enough losing Ted's and the El Mo, but to lose Lee's at the same time would be brutal. S Julian spake: >On 29-Oct-2001 Elizabeth Weber wrote: >> So I'm not from Canada and I've never even been to Toronto, but this still >> kind of bummed me out. Maybe because so many musicians I listen to have >> played there... >> >> http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2001/10/2608.cfm >> >> So it is really closing/closed?! wtf? > >Hmfph. It's the first I've heard of it, but if it's true, that would really >suck. Coupled with the closing of the ElMo* it would be a real blow to our >local music scene, as far as good venues to play go. Hopefully we'll hear >something more in the days to come about its fate. > >- Julian > >* although that venue has never been a favourite of mine, it was quite a >breeding ground for artists that are, er, more hard-rocking than >ones I like to >listen to. > >[ Julian C. Dunn * ] >[ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] >[ "and out of your mouth comes a stream of cliches/ but i have given you ] >[ so much rope you should have been hanging for days" -- aimee mann ] - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:44:21 -0500 From: "Elizabeth Weber" Subject: NEC: happy birthday Happy Birthday Dana! :) elizabeth (PS... I swear I saw a liquor store in Bryn Mawr) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:40:15 From: "Tab Siddiqui" Subject: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard Yep, it's true, kids. (Toronto's) Ted's Wrecking Yard, a second home to many of us crazy music obsessives, is apparently finito. This on the heels of next week's shutdown of the legendary El Mocambo. Not a great time for live music venues in the city, that's for sure. Ted's/Barcode was the stepping stone for a lot of local favourites before they graduated to bigger (not necessarily better ;)) venues (Starling, Sarah Slean, Emm, lots of others), and also played host to several well-known international artists as well (Duncan Sheik, Richard Ashcroft). The worry now is that we really don't have a space like that to pick up the slack. Lee's Palace is too big, the Rivoli was the place bands moved up to *after* packing Ted's and is already usually booked solid... The Horseshoe seems too busy worrying about international buzz bands to pay too much attention to the local scene, and C'est What has its own comfortable little niche (but is maybe too *small* for some of the Ted's regulars). Add to this that the El Mo Productions team had planned to hold some of their shows in the Ted's/Barcode space... I'm hearing rumblings that they might be taking over the space themselves - can anyone confirm? That would certainly not really be in the spirit of cameraderie and support that the local scene prides itself on - I had thought that they would simply be using the existing space to hold their shows on certain nights rather than taking it over for a club of their own... I'd be extremely disappointed if that was the case. I was never a huge El Mo attendee myself, but when I heard of its impending closure, I went to the support meeting and signed the petition like everyone else - I mean, no one wants to see live venues close. But at the same time, Ted's had carved out a really special place in the city's music community, and doesn't deserve to have its space taken over by another, completely different, club. Much of what I'm speculating here is based on hearsay, as I haven't heard anything definitive as yet aside from the article in Chart and the Star, the sign at the venue, and from speaking with a couple musicians, but bottom line is, I for one am really sad to see Ted's go, and am hoping that booker Yvonne Matsell will raise the flag for eclectic, promising local talent elsewhere. (I suppose next time the place won't be called "Ted's Wrecking Yard", as it seems that it's namesake Ted that kicked them out. ;-P) More details in a brief story in yesterday's Star: http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1004220614849&call_page=TS_Music&call_pageid=968867496921&call_pagepath=Entertainment/Music - - Tab P.S. Would anyone (Heather, Joni, Steve?) with any more info please e-mail me? I'm very interested in finding out more about what went down here... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:56:46 EST From: Starfall18@aol.com Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard Sorry for the double posts.. I really have no basis of knowledge for these types of things, but I for one am sad to hear about this...I know I've heard about this venue a million (well nearly..) times for concerts of Sarah and Emm, among others....Is there any way the artists who were regulars could persuade them not to close it? Or any other way to try and keep it open, or relocate or something? Is there anything the people can do...or is it all based on money.??? Argh...that really is frustrating.... i'm sorry torontians:( emily ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:04:05 +0000 From: "secret agent kr" Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard thanks for letting us know the sad news tab. i for one am completely shocked. i see almost one show a week there and hoped that teds would be able to pick up and house some of the artists that the former elmo would be turning away. really crappy news. teds was absolutely my favorite place to see live music in this city.!!!! if anyone has anymore info i would love to hear it too so please send it my way. hope you all are well lovekr now i will eat cake. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:48:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard On 30-Oct-2001 Starfall18@aol.com wrote: > I really have no basis of knowledge for these types of things, but I for one > am sad to hear about this...I know I've heard about this venue a million > (well nearly..) times for concerts of Sarah and Emm, among others....Is there > any way the artists who were regulars could persuade them not to close it? Or > any other way to try and keep it open, or relocate or something? Is there > anything the people can do...or is it all based on money.??? First of all, thanks Tab for the update and article links. Like KR I'm also very shocked by this turn of events, as Ted's is one of my favourite (and most often frequented) venues for seeing live music in this city. (Plus the lovely and inexpensive Cafe Diplomatico is nearby.) However, unlike the situation at the ElMo, where another individual bought the building and plans to turn it into a spiritual centre, it would seem from first appearances that Ted's is shut simply because of back rent. If that is truly the case, then I suspect the Toronto live music community should have no trouble banding together and finding some way of raising the $8000 or so to keep it in business, at least in the short term. On the other hand, if the rent arrears are merely being used as an excuse for the landlord to shutter the venue and turn it over to the folks running ElMo Productions (mind you, this is all unfounded speculation) then that would be extremely upsetting. It would remind me of the situation with the Bloor Cinema that fellow Torontonians might recall from a few years back: Festival Cinemas, the previous tenant, was turfed out for no good reason even after having invested their own funds in renovating the premises -- only to see the place handed over to a group comprised of former Festival directors who were willing to pay a higher price. Such is capitalism, I suppose, but upsetting nonetheless. I certainly don't support such tactics -- I've boycotted the Bloor Cinema for several years now on account of it. I expect that if the same situation occurs here, I will feel compelled to do the same for Ted's. Once again, all wild speculation, but two club closings within a month -- it certainly makes the gears turn to connect the dots. - - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "and out of your mouth comes a stream of cliches/ but i have given you ] [ so much rope you should have been hanging for days" -- aimee mann ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:03:04 -0500 From: "Elizabeth Weber" Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ted's Wrecking Yard >If that is truly >the case, then I suspect the Toronto live music community should have no >trouble banding together and finding some way of raising the $8000 or so to >keep it in business, at least in the short term. I can imagine one hell of a kick ass benefit show. elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V4 #254 ***********************************